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moz 
28/7/08 6:56:22 PM
SuperHero
Titan


I'm in a bit of a quandry here...

I've recently aquired a new Olympus E510 (via flexi-rent, 3 year contract) with a 14-42 and 70-300 lens kit.

I've been having a ball with these, primarily taking shots of the local birdlife.

Being a typical male/at0mican, I want more. I'm looking at a 2* teleconverter to help with the zoom (although I'm aware of the drawbacks), and also considering other lens upgrades.

Most of the Zuiko range are quite expensive. Is it worth looking at the Canon range as an alternative in the long run? They seem to have a greater range at a better price point.

I've recently gotten a significant pay rise, so price is not a long term object.



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Athiril 
28/7/08 7:25:11 PM
Titan

edit: a review of the lens you want but cant afford
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/sigma-300-800.shtml

For a new lens for either system of a quality focal length longer than 300mm its going to cost you at least $1k for the lens..

okay, the olympus @ 300mm is equiv of 600mm.

you'd need 400mm (375mm actually...) to reach that equivalency on a xxxD or xxD Canon, you'd need a full 600mm on a 5D and up.

Seeing some shots from the new Sigma 150-500mm with Optical Stabilisation (you dont have it on the Olympus, you can use body stabilisation) is excellent from some of the test shots ive seen, that will give you the range you need, its f/6.3 at the long end though, but i think it's a fair compromise for under $1k for the lens.

If you're really serious about getting into hard core photography from a distance, yes, Canon is for you, nothing else measures up really in this department.. but of course hard core gear costs hard core $.

There is a special case cheap lens thats very sharp, the Tamron mirror lens, Tamron 500mm f/8 SP, t-mount, adapted, manually focussed, you'll get stabilisation with it on the Olympus camera.

One of these, if you can find one thats in good nick.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TAMRON-SP-500mm-Mirror-lens-ADII-mount-spares-repair_W0QQitemZ270259450391

Also keep your eye on this - http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nikon-Nikkor-500mm-reflex-1-8_W0QQitemZ260267127775QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3343

It's a nikkor, should be as good as the tamron, and adaptable... lemme find out more.


edit:
http://www.momentcorp.com/review/reflex-nikkor500mmf8.html

and yes this lens can be adapted.


edit:
drool worthy
http://sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3308&navigator=3

There is also the 800mm f/5.6 sigma prime, basically the same price.

And also you can get the Sigma 2x teleconverter for four thirds.. does olympus or leica make one?


Edited by Athiril: 28/7/2008 7:36:44 PM


Edited by Athiril: 28/7/2008 8:22:54 PM

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moz 
29/7/08 12:05:40 AM
SuperHero
Titan


Here's the 2* teleconverter... http://www.olympus.com.au/component/option,com_product/id,278/task,detail/Itemid,69/

About $700 which is quite affordable.

And here's the ducks-nuts lens from Zuiko...
http://www.olympus.com.au/component/option,com_product/id,92/task,detail/Itemid,69/

A little less wallet-frienly at about $10,000. :(

http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod4533.htm


The Sigma 50-500 and 300-800 lens are listed on the Four Thirds site. Does this mean they make one for the Olympus too?
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/products/lense.html




Edited by moz: 29/7/2008 12:30:21 AM

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err0r 
29/7/08 12:32:06 AM
Overlord


Quote by moz

And here's the ducks-nuts lens from Zuiko...
http://www.olympus.com.au/component/option,com_product/id,92/task,detail/Itemid,69/

A little less wallet-frienly at about $10,000. :(

http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod4533.htm

Edited by moz: 29/7/2008 12:23:31 AM



Well yeah, but you could get it for the bargain basement price of $8787.00 from http://www.camerafarm.com.au/camera/customer/home.php?cat=378&page=2

:P

Olympus's best lenses have always been recognised as both very, very good and way, way overpriced. :)

The Olympus 50-200mm f2.8-3.5 SWD is a much better choice for 99% of people, available from $1467.00, also from Camera Farm.

EDIT: And if you really need to blow $10,000 on a lens, the Sigma APO 300-800mm F5.6 EX DG HSM will definitely give you some reach on the E510!





Edited by err0r: 29/7/2008 12:40:31 AM

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Athiril 
29/7/08 7:56:19 AM
Titan

yep, the 300-800 is made for 4/3'rds an is $7300 from adorama and places like that.

the 50-500 last i checked was $1k or under, and is actually quite sharp, i forgot to mention that as it didnt have OS, but on the olympus they dont make em with os anyway as the body as it built in, the 50-500 maybe what you're looking for.

your oly lens is f/5.6 @ 300mm? thatd be f/11 @ 600mm... much better off with the bigma 50-500mm or the 150-500mm f/6.3 long end not that much more... they're both f/6.3 at the long end.

Id test drive one first if I were you though.

Also third party TC's should be buyable for ~$300 or so, Tamron 2x SP for example.., perhaps one of the sigma's plus a sigma 1.4x TC would do you? *shrugs*

now you got some names, start googling for stuff with relevance to your camera, no idea how much you wanna spend.. are you unhappy with the olympus body?

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moz 
29/7/08 5:36:38 PM
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Titan


I quite like the Olympus actually. Nothing to benchmark it against of course, being my first DSLR. But reviews on it are good and I'm taking some half decent piccies, so I'd like to stick with it (unless someone points out the horrendous error of my ways!)

The Zuiko lens is f5.6 @ 300mm, so the sigma 50-500 sounds like the best bet. It'd be 100-1000 on the Olympus, so I couldn't complain about that!



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LordBug 
29/7/08 6:09:47 PM
Immortal

Being interested in birding, I'd say you picked the right camera. The 2x crop factor of the Oly would help a lot compared to the ~1.5 of Canon/Nikon. Extra reach with effectively the same glass & speed, very nice.

There's a lot of people who're very happy with their Bigma 50-500mm. I've briefly played with one, and how best to put it? Do want. Very much.

With TC's, my understanding that a 1.4x is the best tradeoff for reach & speed/quality.

ps The feeling of wanting more isn't a male/atomican thing. Welcome to the world of lens lust, here's your bucket for drooling into for the lenses you covet, and crying into for the ones you'll never be able to own ;)

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moz 
29/7/08 6:48:14 PM
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Titan


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Athiril 
29/7/08 6:59:08 PM
Titan

Very nice.

Personally Id go with either the 50-500 or 150-500 plus a 1.4x TC (700mm f/9, 1400mm equiv) tripod would help with that lol...

God damnit.. Ive always wanted to get into wild life... Sigma 300-800mm is the lens I want.. maybe if i sold a kidney...

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err0r 
29/7/08 7:13:56 PM
Overlord

Some great shots in there moz !

Top work. :)

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thesorehead 
30/7/08 5:01:41 PM
Guru

It's shots like that that make me want to get an SLR. And with my tax return back I could throw the money at it ... if only I didn't have debts, bills, repairs and other expenses to deal with first! *cries*

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moz 
30/7/08 6:08:44 PM
SuperHero
Titan


Thanks for the comments on the pics. It's always good to know you're doing something half right. :)

They are as they came out of the camera too. I haven't as yet got any software to fiddle around with them.

thesorehead - you can take some amazing piccies using the cheaper big zoom digital cameras as well. I was using a Fuji S5600 (10 x optical zoom) up until I bought the Olympus. I only went DSLR because I needed more zoom!

Here's a couple of good ones from the Fuji...

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/mozworthy/2007_06240020.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/mozworthy/2007_08260166.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/mozworthy/2007_10020069.jpg

My daughter has a $150 Samsung with 3 x zoom. She has been on outings with me and come back with significantly better piccies, both in compilation and quality. (The little bitch!)


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Athiril 
30/7/08 6:33:19 PM
Titan

Quote by moz

I only went DSLR because I needed more zoom! focal length.




Remember, you're a snub now ;)

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moz 
31/7/08 4:23:14 PM
SuperHero
Titan


Aaaah, gotcha!



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