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Charger770 
16/6/08 3:04:09 PM
Learner

Correct me if I'm wrong but HDV is the format that you would typically find on a tape where AVCHD would be the format that would be on a HDD.? or isnt it as simple as that.?

I am using several Video Editing programmes namely Pinnacle Studio 10.5, Sony Vegas Pro 8 and Cyberlink Powerdirector 6.5
They are all pretty good but Sony Vegas is miles ahead of the rest but there is somewhat of a steep learning curve. If you are interested I have put a few of my "video creations" (for want of a better word) on Youtube

Like to hear you progress and experience with the HV30 as it is on my short list of potential purchases
Thanks

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The End 
16/6/08 4:36:11 PM
Hero
Titan


Correct, HDV is tape based, AVCHD is used on flash, HDD and DVD.

Vegas is very powerful, and is definitely the package of choice if you want professional level control at an amateur price. Personally, I'm just using my camera for home movies.

As for the HV30, it's fucking brilliant. Picture and video quality is easily in the top echelon for consumer cameras. I can't really say more than that, as I'm not using it for anything other than home movies.

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Charger770 
16/6/08 8:48:16 PM
Learner

Correct me if I am wrong but I have concluded that HDV format is recorded on tape and AVCHD is usually recorded on HDD.??...or are my conclusions way out of whack??

I am using Pinnacle Studio 10.5, Cyberlink Power Director 8 and Sony Vegas Pro 8. They are all good in there own way but Sony Vegas beats them all hands down for features but there is a pretty steep learning curve. If you are interested I have put a few of my "Video creations" (for want of a better word) on Youtube.

Please keep in touch and let me know about your experience with the HV30 as it is on my short list.

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The End 
16/6/08 9:38:25 PM
Hero
Titan


Already answered that question dude.

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Charger770 
17/6/08 2:31:47 PM
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Edited by Charger770: 17/6/2008 2:32:20 PM

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Charger770 
17/6/08 2:32:59 PM
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Thanks Dude

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The Tick 
18/6/08 6:35:49 PM
Hero
Titan


I just bought a Sony HDRSR11

To be honest I wanted something simple to use which records in a reasonable resolution.

I don't plan on creating any cinematic masterpiece but rather, I was looking for a high def camera which was small and compact, had a decent still camera option, would interface nicely with my wife's mac (or mine) for editing with minimal fuss.

The playback looks great on my 1080p LCD 42".

For filming the family and for something that can be both simple for my wife or more advanced for me it fits the bill.

I purposely bought it in Australia so it would be backed by an Australian warranty. Within the first 11 months I will more than likely purchase an extended warranty through United Electrical.

I have been down the road of buying expensive camera gear with the intention of making movies. What I have now is a $7K camera worth sfa, a very expensive tripod and some lighting (which will most likely come in handy as I pursue still photography).

The lesson I learned is that hiring when needed is usually better on the hip pocket.

Think about what your intended purpose is and then make a decision about what you need.

I paid $1600 for it BTW - not the listed $1999


Edited by The Tick: 18/6/2008 6:37:06 PM

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Charger770 
20/6/08 6:18:38 PM
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Thanks for the input The Tick. I also looked at the Sony HDR-SR11 & 12 but today I ordered the Canon HV30 mainly because it is tape based and there is always an available backup, the tape. I also liked the 25p and 30p and it has the other features that I liked. The Sony from what I can see takes superb stills (10.2 MegaPixels) which I liked and the 60/120gig HDD which is a great storage system.

Good luck with your Sony and again thanks for your input

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The Tick 
20/6/08 8:39:17 PM
Hero
Titan


No problem Charger770.

Looks like a nice camera. Like most people have said, make sure you get good quality tapes.

I have purchased reasonable quality tapes before only to have problems one two different cameras. One being a Panasonic $2.5K handycam style and the other being a $7k semi pro.

They weren't HD cameras but I learned twice about the value of good quality tapes.

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The End 
20/6/08 9:30:57 PM
Hero
Titan


I think there's a line to be drawn as far as tapes go. If you're doing single recordings, then standard tapes will do. Unless you're doing masters for commercial use, the 'HD' tapes are a bit of a scam.

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The End 
20/6/08 9:31:47 PM
Hero
Titan


Quote by Charger770
Thanks for the input The Tick. I also looked at the Sony HDR-SR11 & 12 but today I ordered the Canon HV30 mainly because it is tape based and there is always an available backup, the tape. I also liked the 25p and 30p and it has the other features that I liked. The Sony from what I can see takes superb stills (10.2 MegaPixels) which I liked and the 60/120gig HDD which is a great storage system.

Good luck with your Sony and again thanks for your input




You won't regret your choice. It's a magnificent camera :)

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chapps 
23/6/08 2:24:57 PM
Charge

Hi all,

I am in the market for a camcorder as well. Im heading through China in a few weeks and will be in HongKong for some time.
Just wondering whether it would be better to buy a camera while im over there or to get one while im still in Oz?

Thinking of nabbing a HV30 or HDR-SR12. I am really liking the idea of a 120gb internal but will i be sacraficing much quality when compared to the HV30? I have huge amounts of computer space and i use premier so i dont think i'll have any editing woes. Just comes down to tape vs harddrive :S thoughts?

Also i hear the HF10 is a prime contender to the HDR-SR12...


Edited by chapps: 23/6/2008 02:30:50 PM

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The End 
23/6/08 4:05:58 PM
Hero
Titan


Well, once flash memory comes down in price, flash memory should overtake HDD as the convenience format for video. Only downside is that AVCHD has issues, as already identified.

You just need to determine what your priorities are: HV30 is the pick for outright image quality. Flash and HDD are easier to live with and if you have tonnes of space, archival isn't an issue either way.

Camcorders are horribly expensive to fix. Unless you've a mate over in HK who will act as an intermediary, you're better off buying here, just to cover your arse as far as warranty goes.

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chapps 
23/6/08 5:59:01 PM
Charge

Well after having a second look i think its the quality thats going to seal the deal.

HV30 it is. AVCHD is just too tricky at the moment and it doesn't look like it'll hit its prime too soon either. Its also the cheaper of the bunch funnily enough. No point spending more money for poorer quality.

As far as warrantys you can get international coverage cant you?

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orinjuse 
24/6/08 2:01:23 AM
Hero
Immortal


Quote by The End
I think there's a line to be drawn as far as tapes go. If you're doing single recordings, then standard tapes will do. Unless you're doing masters for commercial use, the 'HD' tapes are a bit of a scam.



I'd tend to agree - I've used mid-range tapes that have been recorded over a dozen times for commercial work, and 95% of the time they work without errors. That said, I wasn't in charge of tape supplies, and being the guy who had to deal with the shit when a tape died and we lost footage would make me lean towards good tapes and few uses.

Expensive tapes may be a bit of a scam, but considering the cost of any MiniDV tapes compared to how much you spent on the camera system, you may as well buy quality, especially if you're only going to need a couple.

Quote by chapps
HV30 it is.



Canon ought to pay you a retainer, TE : ).

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The End 
24/6/08 6:52:57 AM
Hero
Titan


I'm not entirely sure if Canon offer an additional international warranty. You'd have to call them and check.

orinjuse: He was going to buy some sort of Canon anyway :P

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Charger770 
12/7/08 4:24:13 PM
Learner

Finally got my new HV30.
Took some shots but find that when I use the HiDef mode regardless of settings the playback is jerky if I do any sort of panning. Its nearly as if the picture is cut into slices horizontally and each slides moves at different speeds. I can play back on the camera and its jerky, I capture to the PC and playback the M2T file via VLC media player and its jerky. All standard Def footage is good.
Any suggestions?

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The End 
12/7/08 5:51:28 PM
Hero
Titan


Are you filming in 1080i or 720p?

Cinema mode on or off?

Night mode off?

Good lighting?

Be aware that some jerkiness may be present due to the higher compression of HDV over SD MiniDV format. (It's even worse on AVCHD)


Edited by The End: 12/7/2008 5:53:47 PM

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Charger770 
12/7/08 9:28:10 PM
Learner

I have taken footage in both 1080i & 25p with and without Cine mode always with night mode off and always in good lighting. Same results in every case. How do I overcome the jerkiness brought about by the higher compression or is there no way around it?

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Eggs don't bounce

The End 
13/7/08 11:59:25 AM
Hero
Titan


Hrm... Without seeing it, I'm only guessing here.

The only way to get around compression issues is with less compression, which is about 5 to 10 years away in domestic High Definition handycams. (i.e. when some kind of bad ass super storage replaces DV tape)

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