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China chip an Intel rival?
Outcast_Aussie 
9/9/08 9:27:08 PM
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China's Godson-3 chip is ambitious if anything. It proposes to be everything a world-class processor should be--and then some.

Developed by the Chinese Academy of Sciences, it also has a larger goal: microprocessor independence for China. "Their motivation is pretty clear. They don't want to be totally dependent on the outside world for something as important as microprocessors," said Tom Halfhill, an analyst at In-Stat.



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10034825-64.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0

Sounds a good thing to me actually.
I had a liqqle laugh at Pretenderkc's comment.. He seems to be under the delusion that China has to comply to western patents.

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King_Of_The_Mountain 
9/9/08 9:29:09 PM
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I guess to be a rival you have to have competitive prices, i wonder what there selling for.

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SceptreCore 
9/9/08 9:42:18 PM
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The best Intel compatible processor is an Intel processor. :P

It's nothing to worry about, China just like to dabble in this and that. And if anything does come of it, Intel will push them down or destroy them before you can say market challenger.


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spielentwickler 
9/9/08 9:45:20 PM
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Intel can't push down China. That idea is patently rediculous!

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SquallStrife 
9/9/08 10:45:47 PM
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Crazy Clarks will sell them in blister packs, $2 for 10.

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Redhatter 
9/9/08 11:11:09 PM
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Having used an earlier cousin of this Loongson (Godson was its old name) chip... I wouldn't throw it in the dust bin so quickly.

They're not targeting the IBM clone market -- thus Intel compatibility is a non-issue for them. These things are actually intended as Linux workhorses.

http://dev.gentoo.org/~redhatter/mips/loongson/

Yes, that's my desk and 20" CRT there you see in that picture, and that little black thing on top is a Lemote Fulong minicomputer, which runs a 660MHz Loongson2E. This should give you an idea of their actual size:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~redhatter/mips/loongson/fulong-iso.jpg <-- that's a standard SCSI CD-ROM drive that the unit is sitting on top of.

My home residence houses the only two such units in Australia -- to my knowledge.

These machines draw 20W of power, and perform rather well. I dispute the claim that they perform as good as/outperform P4s in the 1GHz range, but they certainly work quite nicely for what they're intended to do -- that is, typical home computer tasks for Chinese families that can't afford big computers big patriotic American operating systems such as Windows Vista. 10W of the total power drain is the CPU.

The Loongson 2F implements the full MIPS64r2 instruction set, runs at 1GHz, and draws about 5W.

The Loongson 3 is mainly targeted at servers... it's a multi-core CPU (I think about 8 cores, but I'll have to check) and offers quite a bit of bang-per-buck. Given many people are hosting websites using the LAMP framework (Linux, Apache Web Server, MySQL, and PHP) which is cross-platform, they make ideal boxes for this task.

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SquallStrife 
9/9/08 11:26:05 PM
Titan

Quote by Redhatter
Having used an earlier cousin of this Loongson (Godson was its old name) chip... I wouldn't throw it in the dust bin so quickly.

They're not targeting the IBM clone market -- thus Intel compatibility is a non-issue for them. These things are actually intended as Linux workhorses.

http://dev.gentoo.org/~redhatter/mips/loongson/

Yes, that's my desk and 20" CRT there you see in that picture, and that little black thing on top is a Lemote Fulong minicomputer, which runs a 660MHz Loongson2E. This should give you an idea of their actual size:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~redhatter/mips/loongson/fulong-iso.jpg <-- that's a standard SCSI CD-ROM drive that the unit is sitting on top of.

My home residence houses the only two such units in Australia -- to my knowledge.

These machines draw 20W of power, and perform rather well. I dispute the claim that they perform as good as/outperform P4s in the 1GHz range, but they certainly work quite nicely for what they're intended to do -- that is, typical home computer tasks for Chinese families that can't afford big computers big patriotic American operating systems such as Windows Vista. 10W of the total power drain is the CPU.

The Loongson 2F implements the full MIPS64r2 instruction set, runs at 1GHz, and draws about 5W.

The Loongson 3 is mainly targeted at servers... it's a multi-core CPU (I think about 8 cores, but I'll have to check) and offers quite a bit of bang-per-buck. Given many people are hosting websites using the LAMP framework (Linux, Apache Web Server, MySQL, and PHP) which is cross-platform, they make ideal boxes for this task.



That's actually quite something. Perhaps we'll find them in PVR boxes and the like? The new one should be powerful enough to decode HD video shouldn't it?

If it's low-power and cool enough, perhaps it could even be a way forward for cheap low-end handheld devices, where an Xscale or Atom would otherwise be used...?

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aliali 
9/9/08 11:28:28 PM
SuperHero
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oo neat RH, forgot you where trying to get your hands on one of those units.
As for
Quote by SceptreCore
It's nothing to worry about, China just like to dabble in this and that. And if anything does come of it, Intel will push them down or destroy them before you can say market challenger.




Dude considering the potential size of the Chinese market alone and China's rather blase attitude to licencing I don't think that would worry them much.
Plus there are quite a few other countries with large populations who would happily use these units and totally ignore any whinging from Intel, or indeed any other patent holders whose rights where infringed.

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Jeruselem 
9/9/08 11:36:40 PM
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Looks like a version of fastest ever MIPS CPU, the R16000 which ran into 1 Ghz speed limit.

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Redhatter 
9/9/08 11:37:03 PM
Hero
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They don't violate any patents owned by Intel, to my knowledge.

They were stepping on the toes of MIPS Technologies at one point, but this has since been resolved. (This is why the Loongson 2E and prior chips implement a subset of MIPS3.) They are now licensed by MIPS Tech to produce chips using their instruction set.

PVRs, certainly is one option for their use. Mind you, PVRs tend to have a pretty minimalist CPU and use a DSP elsewhere to offload the major work to. So something like the Loongson 1 is a more likely target for PVR usage. (The Loongson 1 ran at 266MHz and was purely 32-bit.)

This chip as I say, is probably more likely to see usage in servers.

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SceptreCore 
10/9/08 2:52:20 AM
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Quote by Redhatter
Having used an earlier cousin of this Loongson (Godson was its old name) chip... I wouldn't throw it in the dust bin so quickly.

They're not targeting the IBM clone market -- thus Intel compatibility is a non-issue for them. These things are actually intended as Linux workhorses.

http://dev.gentoo.org/~redhatter/mips/loongson/

Yes, that's my desk and 20" CRT there you see in that picture, and that little black thing on top is a Lemote Fulong minicomputer, which runs a 660MHz Loongson2E. This should give you an idea of their actual size:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~redhatter/mips/loongson/fulong-iso.jpg <-- that's a standard SCSI CD-ROM drive that the unit is sitting on top of.

My home residence houses the only two such units in Australia -- to my knowledge.

These machines draw 20W of power, and perform rather well. I dispute the claim that they perform as good as/outperform P4s in the 1GHz range, but they certainly work quite nicely for what they're intended to do -- that is, typical home computer tasks for Chinese families that can't afford big computers big patriotic American operating systems such as Windows Vista. 10W of the total power drain is the CPU.

The Loongson 2F implements the full MIPS64r2 instruction set, runs at 1GHz, and draws about 5W.

The Loongson 3 is mainly targeted at servers... it's a multi-core CPU (I think about 8 cores, but I'll have to check) and offers quite a bit of bang-per-buck. Given many people are hosting websites using the LAMP framework (Linux, Apache Web Server, MySQL, and PHP) which is cross-platform, they make ideal boxes for this task.


Man you really get into the nitty gritty of stuff don't ya!

I take it you a linux man, and a bit of a code whiz.

But seriously... damn your workstation is cluttered, and a little outdated

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