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But SHOULD we be ditching Firefox for Chrome...?
Virtuoso 
3/9/08 12:39:03 PM
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As discussed in the Software Forum, Google's new free browser, Chrome, has been released this week.

However, regardless of its technical merits, should we be ditching Firefox in favour of this new Corporate offering...?

Firefox is the gold standard flag bearer for democratic open source software. It not only jolted Microsoft out of their 4-year browser stagnancy, it proved to the world that open source was a viable software development model.

Mozilla's general adherence to open standards has also paid big dividends for all internet users, in making the web generally more usable and accessable. It helped stop Microsoft from bastardising the web with conflicting and competing proprietary standards.

The continued strong existence of Firefox helps keep the money-grubbing corporate's more honest and innovative. I want to fight a future in which we can only choose between yesterday's monopoly or tomorrow's monopoly, and a few niche players.

What do you think?



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Note to Mods: I trust you will share my view that this is not a duplicate thread. It's about the threat of Chrome to open source and standards. Not about the browser itself.





Edited by Virtuoso: 3/9/2008 12:45:34 PM

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iamthemaxx 
3/9/08 12:42:40 PM
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Yeah this is cool, it's not another "LOOK CHROME IS RELEASED!" thread.

I haven't checked it out yet, mainly because they don't have a linux version and I run Ubuntu at work. Maybe when I get home I will take a squiz.

The only benefit that I can see at this point, is that Google would has a lot more resources to throw at this which means they may be able to add more features a lot quicker.

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Sneddo 
3/9/08 12:48:33 PM
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At this stage...no, Chrome is too immature for wide-spread use. But it has potential.

IMO, the thing to realise is that open or closed source, if the software doesn't do the job, it isn't worth using. The browser market is pretty competitive, I think if anything it may force more innovation (or even just playing catch-up for the likes of IE and to a lesser extent, Firefox) amongst the others, which I think is a good thing.

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confined 
3/9/08 1:07:07 PM
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I guess it will depend on which meets more of my requirements, and at the moment Firefox is clearly in the lead.

I've just installed Google Chrome and while I like the simple GUI that's all it really has going for it. My opinion is based on a mere five minutes of use, though.

I'll probably test it out extensively when there is a release version available, but until then I stick with Firefox.

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Midnighter 
3/9/08 1:18:28 PM
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Firefox is ahandy number 2 browser, but I still prefer Opera, so no, I won't be ditching anything for a new browser. I always have Konqueror as a further fallback.

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Jack Genders 
3/9/08 1:21:19 PM
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A friend just downloaded it. Very simple looking, that's as far as I've gone with it at the moment. Just looking at it.
I've just updated my FireFox to version 3.01, I'm very happy with FireFox and it add on's, features and general use on a day to day basis.

More competition though is welcome to keep it competitive. FireFox has truly shown Microsoft up, with Google coming into it now, hopefully development circles will be quicker, tighter and more productive with a better end result for the user!


Edited by Jack Genders: 3/9/2008 1:22:11 PM

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Jack Genders 
3/9/08 1:24:43 PM
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*off topic, but browser related* Does anyone else browse the internet in full screen mode? Press F11 on your keyboard. I do it all the time.

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smadge1 
3/9/08 1:28:19 PM
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So, it's not a giant Google Toolbar right?

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confined 
3/9/08 1:31:41 PM
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Quote by Jack Genders
*off topic, but browser related* Does anyone else browse the internet in full screen mode? Press F11 on your keyboard. I do it all the time.


Not in Firefox as I am always using the Tools menu and generally don't like the look of it.

Chrome is basically in full screen mode anyway and I don't really mind it as the menus are still available.

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Girvo 
3/9/08 1:33:48 PM
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Whatever is the tool for the job.





I dislike Firefox's focus on extensions and add-ons. I don't see the point, I never use *any*.

Chrome does what I want, how I expect it to, and no more. I'm happy, and will be ditching FF without a doubt once this matures. Perhaps even before it. All I do is browse the web, it shouldn't be hard :P


EDIT: And I *do* browse in fullscreen mode, which is why Chrome is now #1 on my browser list: it is in fullscreen all the time, but without loss of any tools. It's great. :)


Edited by Girvo: 3/9/2008 1:34:45 PM

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osama_bin_athlon 
3/9/08 1:39:40 PM
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I'm a confirmed Ff user. so far I really like Chrome - at first glance, it seems really fast, noticeably faster than all the rest. I rather like the minimalist approach.....I guess I'll have a better idea in after a few days of use.

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Girvo 
3/9/08 2:20:40 PM
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Wait.


Chrome is Open Source I believe. So wouldn't it really be a moot point?

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Sneddo 
3/9/08 2:35:34 PM
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"We owe a great debt to many open source projects, and we're committed to continuing on their path. We've used components from Apple's WebKit and Mozilla's Firefox, among others - and in that spirit, we are making all of our code open source as well. We hope to collaborate with the entire community to help drive the web forward."
From: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/why.html?hl=en

So yeah, looks like you are right Girvo.

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Jeruselem 
3/9/08 2:59:00 PM
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Quote by Sneddo
"We owe a great debt to many open source projects, and we're committed to continuing on their path. We've used components from Apple's WebKit and Mozilla's Firefox, among others - and in that spirit, we are making all of our code open source as well. We hope to collaborate with the entire community to help drive the web forward."
From: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/why.html?hl=en

So yeah, looks like you are right Girvo.



So - Chrome is really SafariFox ...

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SceptreCore 
3/9/08 3:04:52 PM
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Im using it right now and I have to say... it's pretty awesome, also using less system resources then IE or FireFox

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SquallStrife 
3/9/08 3:12:30 PM
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Quote by Jeruselem
Quote by Sneddo
"We owe a great debt to many open source projects, and we're committed to continuing on their path. We've used components from Apple's WebKit and Mozilla's Firefox, among others - and in that spirit, we are making all of our code open source as well. We hope to collaborate with the entire community to help drive the web forward."
From: http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/why.html?hl=en

So yeah, looks like you are right Girvo.



So - Chrome is really SafariFox ...



FireSafari?

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neowulf 
3/9/08 3:31:00 PM
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I have to say, my first 10 minutes with Chrome and I'm really impressed.

The thing is fast (like *really* fast), clean and responsive.

The new Javascript engine is just amazing. This thing feels like it can render pages in half the time of other browsers.

If Google releases their own take on "Plugins", via some well documented API, I think firefox might be dead in the water.

We'll see how the next couple of years pan out for Chrome.


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Virtuoso 
3/9/08 3:50:16 PM
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None of the above responses seem to address the issue I raised.

I am saying that, if we all just choose Chrome because it's 'new', or even if it's a bit 'better', we'll actually be undermining Forefox.

By undermining Firefox, we may be undermining the open source and open standards which have benefitted us all greatly in the past 4 years.

Sometimes, you have to look beyond 'what I want now' to 'what will be best long term'.

IMHO.

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Girvo 
3/9/08 4:07:50 PM
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What will be best long term... who's to say that the adoption of Chrome over Firefox *isn't* best long term?



A good example here, would be Netscape Navigator. It was good, yeah. But IE took over.

Now, in that case, IE actually had some good features, and both ignored standards :P

I see your point, but I doubt that Google would go down the road of IE: they'll want to produce something works well, easier and better than everyones current default browser.

This can only be good for consumers really.

This means that to stubbornly throw your hands up and declare, "No! I will not use Chrome because FireFox was there first, and has done a lot", well that's all well and good. But make sure its an informed choice: does Firefox do what you want, they way you want it? Then by all means use it.

I have no idea where I'm going with this, so I'm going to trail off to silence now...

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Virtuoso 
3/9/08 4:13:29 PM
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Quote by Girvo
This means that to stubbornly throw your hands up and declare, "No! I will not use Chrome because FireFox was there first, and has done a lot",

Sheesh. That is not at all what I said. I said that it's about supporting open source and standards, not about "who did what feature first".

Also:

The premise that "Google won't ever be as evil as Microsoft" needs to be tested against experience.

I remember when people thought "Microsoft won't ever be as evil as IBM". Then look what happened.

Google is becoming one of the most cashed up and powerful companies in the IT industry. We've already seen, wrt the China censorship and the pushing up of advertising rates, that they will behave just as other large companies do, when someone gets betweeen them and a profit.





Edited by Virtuoso: 3/9/2008 4:15:52 PM

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