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3DMark - Vantage, ect could be a bootable ISO/DVD
smakme7757 
1/9/08 5:02:15 AM
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Why?

3Dmark and its various spawns are created so we can test how well our hardware performs. So i was thinking along the lines of a bootable iso image or dvd so we can run 3dmark before we are booted into the OS.

Advantages:
*Test hardware without OS sucking resources.
*Give more accurate results (seeing as the only program running will be 3dmark and always 3dmark)
*Settings will be final, of course 3dmark can be changed, resolution quality settings ect. and it would be less likely for people to cheat in results. e.g modifying driver properties.
*Much easier to compare different models of the same hardware. vendors cannot use drivers to boost their scores for presale marketing campaigns
*You can put your computer up against a friends so see who's pc is really faster.
*You can still overclock the cpu and memory via bios

Disadvantages/Hurdles
*How will the hardware talk to its drivers?
*You will have to use up a cd/dvd to run the program
*How will you upload your score after it is finished? (maybe it allows you to save to a usb for uploading when you enter windows)
*limits the enthusiast who likes to overlock and modify setting to squeeze the last few frames from there hardware.


Of course its all just in my head but i tihnk it could be an interesting idea to compare systems at stock settings. and if enthusiasts are going to have an OC comp we will always have the windows version. im just thinking about this as an alternative form of benching!

Of course i have not covered everything here and there is likely to be more advantages/disadvantges but i thought it was a pretty interesting concept of benchmarking a new computer system and new hardware, Without all the grey in the middle!



Edited by smakme7757: 1/9/2008 05:53:02 AM

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amdDarcy 
1/9/08 7:02:39 AM
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I can see your point, However driver development plays a big part in performance, so if you take away the need for better drivers they may stop making better driver and that would be bad.

Having better drivers is like tuning your car. Sure it might run straight out of the box but without tuning you will never know its full potential.

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SquallStrife 
1/9/08 8:11:32 AM
Titan

What would be nice is if you could build said CD based on your current setup, it just sucks out the basic OS, the video drivers, and the app itself.

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smakme7757 
1/9/08 8:12:42 AM
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No not take away, limit how you use your drivers. You have to have driver development or the program would be out dated as soon as a new piece of hardware becomes available.

What i meant is it will create a sort of static testing enviroment, as in all participants would have to have the same settings. e.g default.

Texture settings set balanced instead of performance and so on so forth. Just a way to test new equipment without so many variables that are usually in play while an OS is running.

Seeing as we have the windows version that we can tweak and tune and do what ever, it would be interesting to have a 'Fair' benchmark where all bets are off and everyone is running the same race.

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smakme7757 
1/9/08 8:14:41 AM
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Quote by SquallStrife
What would be nice is if you could build said CD based on your current setup, it just sucks out the basic OS, the video drivers, and the app itself.



Lol, i was just taking a crap on the shitter, and i thought of the same thing ;).

That would be more or less how it would have to work i guess!!

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mark84 
1/9/08 12:11:58 PM
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Nice idea, but first we need a DVD bootable version of Windows first.

Then yeah, the whole driver issue, though maybe they could auto download, or you create your own disc with them on already.

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tantryl 
1/9/08 12:33:40 PM
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Quote by amdDarcy
I can see your point, However driver development plays a big part in performance, so if you take away the need for better drivers they may stop making better driver and that would be bad.

Having better drivers is like tuning your car. Sure it might run straight out of the box but without tuning you will never know its full potential.



This would be the main thing to tackle.

A customised Windows PE(2) environment with various driver options on boot (a drop down list where you can pick which version of the driver you want to run) would work well though.

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Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 1:57:04 PM
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I don't think it'd be all that necessary. Take an XP disc, cut out everything that you don't use.

That takes less than 1% of CPU usage on idle and less than a 100mb of RAM.

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sirsquidness 
1/9/08 6:59:07 PM
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Quote by Doctor Octopus
I don't think it'd be all that necessary. Take an XP disc, cut out everything that you don't use.

That takes less than 1% of CPU usage on idle and less than a 100mb of RAM.



It still varies from install to install. Sometimes Automatic updates or a random svchost.exe based service will start whoring resources. If you install one driver then another driver for another card after that, slowly you might notice performance drops (not neccessarily though. It depends if the previous driver uninstall cleans up after itself properly). etc.

Would be a lot better to use a Windows PE environment (yay for redundant words!) like tantryl suggested (you stole my idea :P)

In fact, it probably wouldn't be hard to get it running. Windows PE is a full windows install, just cut down a fair bit with basic drivers and basic functionality.

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