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Build a new system now or wait for Nehalem?
Tone2b 
29/8/08 7:43:51 PM
Serf
Hi All,

My current system (3Ghz Pentium 4, 2GB DDR RAM and a ATI 850XT Platinum Edition Graphics card) is on it's last legs and I really need to upgrade. Reasons to upgrade include to play Crysis in full glory. So the question is, should I upgrade now to the below, or should I wait for Nehalem?


Intel Q9550
ASUS X48 Premium Wifi
Thermalright Ultra 120 w/ 120mm fan
4GB OCZ 1600 DDR3 (CL 7) (2 x 2gb)
ASUS 4870x2
Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatalit1y
2 x 500Gb Seagate Drives
LG HD DVD/Blu ray Burner
ASUS DVD Burner
Coolmaster Case (690)
OCZ 1010W Power supply
DVICO TV Tuner
Apacer card reader
Vista Ultimate 64 bit

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Dasa 
29/8/08 11:07:34 PM
Hero
Titan


well your pc is just slightly dated but upgrading just for crysis is a bit like upgrading just for 3dmark
wait for nehalem then it will be the wait for next gen gpu's

look at the two suggestions made here and you will do better
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=8&t=21376

what monitor are you running? as a 4870x2 can run crysis 1920x1200 dx10 but it wont be real smooth dx9 should run fairly well though
crysis runs best with two gtx280 but then thats a fair bit more and has other downsides

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eckythump 
29/8/08 11:38:12 PM
Champion

I'd be inclined to buy now. I believe consumer Nehalem CPUs and motherboards are about 6months away, and when they arrive, I wouldn't expect them to offer fantastic bang-for-buck.

And for a new system, I'd suggest these components:

Intel Q9550
Thermalright Ultra Extreme or Noctua NH-U12P cooler.
ATI HD4870X2 video card
4GB (2x2GB) DDR2-800 RAM
2 x WD 640GB SATA HDD
Pioneer BDR-202BK Blu-Ray burner
Pioneer DVR-216BK DVDRW (Assuming the BDR doesn't do DVDs too.)
Whatever case you like
Whatever WIFI + TV tuner + card reader you like

As for motherboard + PSU suggestions, there's a couple of things worth considering.

Do you honestly think you'll add another card down the track to compliment the 4870X2? I personally would seriously doubt it, but you'll know better than me. If you think you will, then get a 1000W PSU. I'd recommend a Corsair, as they're reputable and reliable. I imagine the OCZ one is fine, too, but I'd be more trusting of the Corsair to deliver what it says it can. If you think you'll stick with the one X2 card, then get a Corsair 750TX PSU instead.

Similar situation for motherboard. If you don't need to plan for a future second card, then a P45 based board is what I'd suggest. It'll give you excellent overclocking, and won't set you back a truckload. The downside with the P45 chipset boards is that they only have a single full-speed 16x PCI-e slot. So, if you think you're only going to have one X2 (or don't think you'll get a second card until the next upgrade) then I'd recommend a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3.

If you do feel you'll need 2 full-speed 16x slots, then an x48 board is the go, and I'd suggest the GA-X48-DS4.

*****

Some notes:

The WD 640GB drives are the fastest 7200RPM drives on the market currently, and a wiser choice than the 500GB offerings.

DDR3 RAM offers essentially nothing over DDR2 at this current point in time, and enthusiast low-latency DDR2 offers essentially nothing over regular DDR2, which is why you're best off just getting generic DDR2 RAM.

You may also like to report this thread to a moderator and ask them to move it to the building/troubleshooting section, as that's probably the best spot for it if it continues on to more building advice.

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Tone2b 
30/8/08 7:46:54 AM
Serf
Thanks everyone for the advice. I am running a 24" LG L246WH (1920x1080) so I need a serious graphics card, hence I may go to 2 4870x2. I'll look at some better brands for a PSU. Thanks for the heads up on the WD HDD.

Moderators: Can you move this to "building/troubleshooting" please

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Tone2b 
30/8/08 7:49:01 AM
Serf
Eckythump - Just a quick question on the WD HDD, does the fact that these drives have 16MB cache compared to Seagates 32MB Cache make a difference?

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Dasa 
30/8/08 8:05:18 AM
Hero
Titan


Quote by Tone2b
Eckythump - Just a quick question on the WD HDD, does the fact that these drives have 16MB cache compared to Seagates 32MB Cache make a difference?



if the wd 640g drive had 32m cache it would be slightly faster in some cases
the 640g drive is faster than any current seagate desktop drive due to the two high density 320g platters
the only other drives i know of that uses platters this dense are samsung 640g and 1tb drives
the samsung 1b 32m are also good value at ~$150


Edited by Dasa: 30/8/2008 8:06:57 AM

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tantryl 
30/8/08 11:54:20 AM
SuperHero
Immortal


Waiting's for chumps.

Are you a chump?

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zebra 
30/8/08 8:54:42 PM
SuperHero
Titan


Quote by eckythump

Pioneer BDR-202BK Blu-Ray burner
Pioneer DVR-216BK DVDRW (Assuming the BDR doesn't do DVDs too.)



Do not want. Just get the BDR-202BK. It burns DVD media also.

z

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eckythump 
30/8/08 9:21:35 PM
Champion

Thanks stripey one. The price list I was looking at didn't indicate, and I was too lazy to check so figured I'd leave it to the OP to research that one.

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Tone2b 
30/8/08 9:24:29 PM
Serf
Thanks again. The reason for the LG Blu ray bruner/HD DVD drive, is that I have around 20 HD DVDs lying around, so I thought I'd put a combo drive in! Otherwise it would be the Pioneer Blu ray burner.

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zebra 
30/8/08 9:47:36 PM
SuperHero
Titan


Quote by Tone2b
Thanks again. The reason for the LG Blu ray bruner/HD DVD drive, is that I have around 20 HD DVDs lying around, so I thought I'd put a combo drive in! Otherwise it would be the Pioneer Blu ray burner.



A fair compromise.

z


Edited by zebra: 30/8/2008 9:47:51 PM

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Master_Scythe 
30/8/08 11:29:19 PM
Titan

Quote by Dasa
Quote by Tone2b
Eckythump - Just a quick question on the WD HDD, does the fact that these drives have 16MB cache compared to Seagates 32MB Cache make a difference?



if the wd 640g drive had 32m cache it would be slightly faster in some cases
the 640g drive is faster than any current seagate desktop drive due to the two high density 320g platters
the only other drives i know of that uses platters this dense are samsung 640g and 1tb drives
the samsung 1b 32m are also good value at ~$150


Edited by Dasa: 30/8/2008 8:06:57 AM



Samsung do a 640gb drive now too. I personally recommend samsung iver WD, 3 WDs have failed in 3 years, no samsungs have. (my personal system) and reviews agree.

but look each one up and mak your own descision everyone wil have their own ideas on this.

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Comrade 
31/8/08 7:49:01 AM
Serf

+1 for buy now.

There will always be new stuff coming out, if you need a new computer now then get it now.
Also when choosing components, my suggestion is to do some research online and go for the ones that is compatible with all current operating systems, XP, Vista, popular distros of Linux and OSX86. If you carefully select your components ur computer can potentially run all the operating systems.
I also recommend stay away from Creative sound cards, onboard sound cards are pretty good nowadays.

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Tone2b 
31/8/08 9:36:03 AM
Serf
I've have an X-Fi in my current system and haven't had any problems so far, mind you that is under XP not Vista. Will probably get the X-Fi Titanium. The current issue of Atomic gives this card quite a good review. If it is not the X-Fi, I may put in the Auzentech X-Fi.

HDD are another issue. I think I will do some further research

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G-relk 
31/8/08 2:09:09 PM
Champion

personally id be keeping the X-fi you have. the vista drivers arent that bad (still not nearly as good as the auzentechs tho), and you wont get much money for the X-fi nowadays depending on what model it is.

if you want to spend the money on a new sound card tho, go with the auzentech, way better driver support + better card overall = win

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soon to come: X38-DQ6, HD4870X2, RAID 0

AMD AKIMBO 
31/8/08 7:00:52 PM
Primarch

no toubles what so ever with my creative x-fi in vista.

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8 gig supertalent ram 800mhz 5.5.5.15
galaxy680i lt mobo
vista 64
inno3d 8800gt's in sli
2X500gig wd's
creative x-fi fatality with G51's
coolermaster gemini 2 with 2 tt 120mm fans
antec p180 case

Master_Scythe 
31/8/08 7:05:09 PM
Titan

Quote by Tone2b
HDD are another issue. I think I will do some further research


They shouldnt be an 'issue'

You really have to stay with 640gb drives. they're the fastest and the best GB for buck ratio too. (last time i checked, though that was a little ago)

All you have to decide is who you trust more. WD or SAMSUNG.

as a side note, and reguardless of me being a samsung fan, my WD drives make noise and my samsung are almost silent. If noise is a factor to you.

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elmo198 
31/8/08 9:33:40 PM
Champion

the Silverstone OP750 is a great PSU, has a 60amp 12v rail, which is perfect for those high end cards. I might be bias because I am using the silverstone OP750 with q9550 and 4870x2. but as experience would know, they do work great together.

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Comrade 
31/8/08 11:08:08 PM
Serf

X-Fi definitely produce some ass kicking sound but if you play lots of hardcore games it seems to degrade the performance. I think it's mainly their driver and software suite.
Anyway that was my experience, but it may just be because my old PC's mobo was quite shitty.

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Intel C2Q 6600,Asus P5K-pro,4GB DDR2 RAM,AsusG8800GT, WindowsXP Pro, Ubuntu7.10

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