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Memory usage: FF v IE
lew~ 
13/8/08 11:59:35 PM
Titan

My Firefox usage is OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hamburgers@juicyloins:~$ sudo apt-get install IE 
[sudo] password for hamburgers:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package IE
lou@4BSDV1S:~$

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wilsontc 
14/8/08 11:21:19 AM
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Just to get back on topic for a moment, keep in mind that with a system like IE on Windows or Safari on Mac, a fair bit of memory will have already loaded and be used by other shared processes, so the memory usage will be reported differently.

But overall, this whole debate over memory usage is quite silly. If you think ff or ie is using too much memory, either close some tabs or buy some more ram! Or, use an os that is more aggressive with VM. If you've got 2GB or more of memory, your OS should not be hitting VM just for web browsing. Time to upgrade to Mac or FreeBSD?

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TheSecret 
14/8/08 11:36:19 AM
Primarch
IE can be quite difficult to compare to either FF or Opera, due to how it is integrated as part of the OS. In my own experience, IE(clean install, no tool bars etc) would use the least when working correctly. Go to a badly made site, and it could tank, which does not seem true for IE7 any longer. Likewise, FF3 is a marked improvement from 2 as well. I think IE does have the advantage, slightly, but it is not enough of a difference to warrant the cost of the disadvantages it brings with it.

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Master_Scythe 
14/8/08 1:25:36 PM
Titan

Just out of curiosity, Why do you chose to use firefox in a standardised environment?

Open Source software has a host of 'problems' on a corporate level. For starters, nothing stops someone whos VERY skilled from putting backdoors in before its compiled. Stability is often (not always) much worse than closed source software, and despite open source having more user suport, it usually doesnt have as much company support (something you need, should the program go belly up and lawyers need to get involved).

Its the same reason offices still run Windows when a god deal of admins are more than happy running Linux. For most offices, Ubuntu would be Ideal (in fact, I use it in my office I manage, as they didnt want to pay for windows licences on servers and my PC).

However, I dare ot deploy it company wide, as if there was a security hole or a corrupt driver that wiped something, on MY head be it, not on Microsofts, in the case of windows.

Also, firefox cant be locked down by system policies (well it CAN, but nowhere near the level IE can). Eh, maybe im old fashioned.

ANYWHO back on topic.

My memory usage I provided above, seems to be staying stagnant, which i must admit is a nice sign for FF3, however its still almost double what Opera uses. (usually 80mb Ram, 20MB page file). Though has been pointed out, most peoplehave over a gig of ram, so its a moot point.

Realy I just feel Opera is faster, and as stated previously, the load times on my mums 300mhz PC proves that for me. But everyone has their own experiences.

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wilsontc 
14/8/08 2:57:10 PM
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You might be able to lock IE down with GP, but it won't remove the security flaws, lack of compliance with web standards and rendering bugs
It's a small price to pay for a little bit more memory usage.

There aren't any real integration issues, so there isn't really a reason to use IE that I can think of in a corporate environment.

Master_Scythe, your reasons for why open sourced software shouldn't be used at a corporate level is just stinking of ignorance.

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TheSecret 
14/8/08 4:07:25 PM
Primarch
Quote by Master_Scythe
Just out of curiosity, Why do you chose to use firefox in a standardised environment?

Open Source software has a host of 'problems' on a corporate level. For starters, nothing stops someone whos VERY skilled from putting backdoors in before its compiled. Stability is often (not always) much worse than closed source software, and despite open source having more user suport, it usually doesnt have as much company support (something you need, should the program go belly up and lawyers need to get involved).

Its the same reason offices still run Windows when a god deal of admins are more than happy running Linux. For most offices, Ubuntu would be Ideal (in fact, I use it in my office I manage, as they didnt want to pay for windows licences on servers and my PC).

However, I dare ot deploy it company wide, as if there was a security hole or a corrupt driver that wiped something, on MY head be it, not on Microsofts, in the case of windows.

Also, firefox cant be locked down by system policies (well it CAN, but nowhere near the level IE can). Eh, maybe im old fashioned.

ANYWHO back on topic.

My memory usage I provided above, seems to be staying stagnant, which i must admit is a nice sign for FF3, however its still almost double what Opera uses. (usually 80mb Ram, 20MB page file). Though has been pointed out, most peoplehave over a gig of ram, so its a moot point.

Realy I just feel Opera is faster, and as stated previously, the load times on my mums 300mhz PC proves that for me. But everyone has their own experiences.



Well, regarding the corporate problems you describe, at least your examples disappear when using a distribution. Well certain distributions. Reviewing code and having accountability is one of the reasons business do pay for something like RHEL. As for firefox as a specific example, it has to be one of the better examples of an OSS product least likely to be affected by a trojan. Not to forget, Mozilla Corporation is responsible for Firefox, and does have a certain level of responsibility, it not just a random patchwork of volunteer code.

Firefox can be locked down just as much, if not more, but not in the same integrated way IE can. It is true it is harder to manage these policies for many computers, but it can be done.

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Master_Scythe 
14/8/08 10:22:52 PM
Titan

Agreed.and thank you for noticing i asked why, not taking it as me yelling "you're wrong" at you. :)

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Mac Dude 
16/8/08 7:44:18 AM
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Can people PLEASE take their petty bickering to other places? If you'd like recommendations, PM me.

Posts containing said petty bickering, and posts quoting posts containing petty bickering have been deleted.

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TheSecret 
16/8/08 8:52:42 AM
Primarch
I think it is a real shame that censorship is apparently needed when said petty bickering has already stopped. If it was such a problem then warnings could have sufficed, but erasing history is never a good thing.

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Mac Dude 
16/8/08 1:27:47 PM
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Quote by TheSecret
I think it is a real shame that censorship is apparently needed when said petty bickering has already stopped. If it was such a problem then warnings could have sufficed, but erasing history is never a good thing.



My previous post makes it clear to all PUBLICALLY, in the hope that people will heed the request. If you would like to continue to tell the mods how to do their job, then you know we have a forum for this type of feedback. Until then, stay on topic or leave the thread.

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Meeko 
16/8/08 1:33:54 PM
Titan

I don't know about the memory usage, but webpages load faster in FF than in IE for me and that's more important than memory, which I have bucketloads of anyway.

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Waltish 
16/8/08 3:54:07 PM
Hero
Titan


Quote by Meeko
I don't know about the memory usage, but webpages load faster in FF than in IE for me and that's more important than memory, which I have bucketloads of anyway.



Basically that's my take on the situ plus fewer nasties get past FF.

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mp3metalhead 
17/8/08 3:18:35 PM
Guru

Quote by Waltish
Quote by Meeko
I don't know about the memory usage, but webpages load faster in FF than in IE for me and that's more important than memory, which I have bucketloads of anyway.



Basically that's my take on the situ plus fewer nasties get past FF.



+1. Also activeX control and other assorted evils are not as closely embedded in the filesystem.

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kRaZeD_ 
21/8/08 10:39:44 PM
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http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3515/firefoxmemusagecf3.jpg

Firefox mem usage :)

And it just went up 35mb after opening 4 more pages... And that was with only 3 pages open. Do i win for most memory used?

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Jeruselem 
22/8/08 12:59:20 AM
Guru

LOL, my Firefox 2.0.0.16 is using over 60MB! I only have two tabs open and 6 add-ons.

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spielentwickler 
22/8/08 4:18:56 AM
Guru

Quote by lew~
My Firefox usage is OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


hamburgers@juicyloins:~$ sudo apt-get install IE 
[sudo] password for hamburgers:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package IE
lou@4BSDV1S:~$

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