Kyrano
11/6/03 08:01:50 PM
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Pretty much just posted the specs of the system I'm order online tonight and just wanted some last minute reassurence that everything is compatable and on the money. This is my first bulid and I am a total newbie so I'll be taking the whole process slow and asking friends for advice.
There's also the ram which I'm unsure about. What benefits will I gain from Cas2 Ram comparied to the 2.5?
Also what cables will I need to build this PC?
The system:
*Intel Pentium 4, 2.4GHz 512K cache, 800MHz Bus
*OCZ Premier 256MB CAS2.5 PC3500 DDR
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OCZ Dual Channel 2 x 256MB PC3500 CAS2 DDR Kit
*ASUS P4P800 DELUXE M/B with SATA/RAID/AUDIO/LAN/1394
*Western Digital 80GB Caviar 7200RPM 8MB cache
*Antec Performance Plus 1080AMG 430W Power sup.
*Liteon 52X24X52X IDE CDRW KIT
*Pioneer 106-s DVD-ROM
*Logitech Z-640 5.1 Speaker System.
*(powercolor) ATI Radeon 9500 PRO, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, 8x AGP, 450MHz RAMDAC, 275MHz Core and 270x2 MHz Memory speed, CRT/TV out/DVI-I
*Hyundai ImageQuest Q910 (19" Flat CRT)
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ADO
11/6/03 08:09:35 PM
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most cables should come with it.
the diff between CAS2 and 2.5 is sort of noticeable....
buy 2x memory sticks and use dual channel, does tat mobo support PC3500??? if not use PC3200 its cheaper.
the case and PSU you have chosen is mad,
good burner,
with the GFX card, dont get the 9500"Pro", get the non "pro" and save some money. if your budget allows it just get a 9700 non "pro".
are there any othere monitors you could choose? Hyundai? *shudders* -----
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spike
11/6/03 08:14:29 PM
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9500 pro's are getting really hard to find. If you already have one, all well and good but if you don't take ADO's advice and get either the 9500 or the 9700.
Everything else seems pretty good. I don't think Hyundai's are all that bad, but there are better monitors out there.
The only other thing I can think of is the sound, are you going to be using the onboard sound? Bit of a waste getting speakers like that if you are... -----
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devil_55
11/6/03 08:19:54 PM
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that looks like a pritty good nice balanced system :)
about the ram your mobo DOES support dual chanal so id stronly suggest getting the OCZ Dual Channel 2 x 256MB PC3500 CAS2 DDR Kit. -----
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Virul
11/6/03 08:25:32 PM
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If you can't find the 9500 Pro, DON'T get the 9500 non-Pro, get the 9600 Pro instead. Although they're not as good as the 9500 Pro, they're much better than the 9500 non Pro and overclock a lot better than the 9500 Pro.
Like devil 55 said, because your motherboard supports Dual Channel, get the OCZ Dual Channel 2 x 256MB PC3500 CAS2 DDR Kit. Your system will benefit. -----
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SS_HOMZA
11/6/03 09:02:42 PM
Disciple
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Get the 9500 non pro 128M one, there are articles on the web on how to turn one of these into a 9700. I read about them but have not actually seen it done. Do some research anyway it might pay off.
Are you just going to use the Audio on board? -----
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Virul
11/6/03 09:05:00 PM
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You can't do the 9500 non Pro mod any more.
ATi have stopped making the 9500's that were based on the 9700 PCB, which allowed you to convert the 9500 to a 9700 because they realised that people were doing the mod. -----
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DMB
11/6/03 09:05:13 PM
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I like the DVD-ROM drive choice -----
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devil_55
11/6/03 09:31:55 PM
Master
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btw good luck with building you 1st comp :) -----
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Kyrano
12/6/03 02:41:47 PM
Primarch
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Taking some advice from you guys I've added a sound blaster live soundcard, the audigy still was abit too expensive for my blood. In a sence i've also downgraded to a radeon 9600pro after nothing turned during an extensive search for a 9500pro.
With the p4p800 i've heard little of its potential at overclocking, since I will be overclocking is the IC7 a better board for this?
Thanks everyone for the advice it makes investing money in this computer a little easier knowing I'm buying highly rated and soughtafter equipment.
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Dasa
12/6/03 03:07:24 PM
Primarch
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yes the ic7 is generally considered to be a beter overclocker than the asus (somebody jump in and say otherwise if this has changed)
with the moniter Samsung 19" 955DF PnP Monitor (OSD, 1600 x 1200@68Hz, 0.20dpi, Low Rad, 3 year wty)
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devil_55
12/6/03 08:32:53 PM
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no, Doas you rite :)
Yes, if you have the cash? go for the ABIT ic7 or ic7 g they are at this current stage they are better proformer for oc'ing
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tantryl
12/6/03 08:39:35 PM
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Soundblaster Live? Bah. Waste of money on that system. The onboard sound is more than enough, and eats up bugger all resources. -----
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AssM@N
12/6/03 10:35:11 PM
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go for IC7-G of course!!
gigabyte lan + ICH5-R native SATA:D
IDE is going to die, so get rdy for Sata:)
check the monitor Dasa recommended.....its a good one:)
hmmmmmm......not too sure abt details of 875's onboard sound.......but the one that came with my IT7 MAX2 its pretty friggen shit......no bass control...... -----
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DMB
12/6/03 10:39:08 PM
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PATA and SATA drives are both IDE drives. -----
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McbLt
12/6/03 10:50:03 PM
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Yep, I agree with Tantryl. Don't waste your money on a SB Live card. Save up for an Audigy or Audigy and live with the onboard sound for now. The onboard sound on the new motherboards is a lot better than it used to be.
What about keyboard and mouse (sometimes they get forgotten).
And like the others said, use that Dual DDR with CAS2 -----
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Kyrano
13/6/03 12:46:11 AM
Primarch
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I've decided to stay with the P4P800 for its feature list and price/proformance ratio. But last question before I buy is am i better off with OCZ cas2 Ram or the Cosair equivelent?
Ditched sound card and will pick up a Hitachi CM 721 instead of the Hyudai. -----
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azns_kickass
13/6/03 09:07:18 AM
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The Asus boards are now just as good for overclocking as the Abit boards IMHO. There really isn't much seperating them atm.
IMHO, I would go for the Abit IS7 or Asus P4P800 if you are intent on overclocking. My vote goes to the P4P800 as it supposedly has a better sound chip than the Abit IS7, hence you can do without a SB Live.
Other than that, follow the already said advice in this thread, it is good. :-)
OCZ vs Corsair, personally I would go OCZ as they seem to hit higher speeds than Corsair, at the expense of tight memory timings. Corsair tends to excel at tight memory timings, but can't get as high a clockspeed.
Since i865PE/i875P boards benefit more from a higher RAM speed than tight timings, I'd go the OCZ. But then again, even with the Corsair you can still get a very good overclock, don't get me wrong, it's still very decent RAM, and it's much more widely available than the OCZ.
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King_TriTAN
13/6/03 09:23:22 AM
Primarch
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!? dude thats going to set you back
ps go for the radeon 9700 non pro -----
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