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SkitZaY 
8/9/08 10:38:25 AM
Serf
Hey Guys,

New to the forum, not to either computers or the magazine itself.
I'm looking for a lil input on how to save money if possible, or how to improve the below build. Any input is appreciated. :D

Things marked with *** are areas I would particularly like suggestions of alternative parts.

CPU : Intel Core 2 Quad - Q9550
*** Mainboard : DFI Lanparty X48-UT-T3RS
HDD : 1TB SATA Seagate
GPU : 2x ATI (insert brand here) 4870 x2, to be setup in CrossFire
*** RAM : 2x 2gb DDR3 1333mhz (Brand undecided, aswell as to whether to go DDR2 or 3)
*** PSU : X900W Seasonic
Keyboard : Saitek Cyborg Keyboard (lulz)
*** Case : CoolerMaster HAF 932 or ThermalTake Xaser IV (Open to suggestion)
Speakers : Logitech Z-5500D

Also determining where online to buy it from. IT Estate has been good to me, when I buy when at store and when they HAVE THE PARTS IN STOCK. Most of these parts, aren't however, in stock. So, also looking for a nice cheap place to buy aswell.

I think that's everything.

So yeah, chuck your opinion my way.

Cheers guys.

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tantryl 
8/9/08 11:02:32 AM
SuperHero
Immortal


There's plenty of articles around the web comparing Core 2 performance with DDR2 and DDR3, here's one: http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/cpu/ddr2-800-vs-ddr3-1333.html

Basically the performance difference is at most 1.5%, but usually less than 0.5%. DDR2-1066 will generally beat DDR3-1333 by a similar tiny margin, then DDR3-1600 will beat DDR2-1066 by an equal infinitesimal margin.

If DDR3 were about half or a quarter of the price it is, it'd be worth looking at. But at the moment you're better off paying about half as much and getting twice as much DDR2.

For the mainboard I'd suggest one of the Gigabyte GA-X48 series.

The the RAM any old 2x2GB DDR2-800 RAM with a decent warranty will be fine. If you're going to try and get the CPU to 4GHz or something then the DDR2-1066 is worth looking at.

The PSU is good, but it's worth noting that system will draw up to 700W (the video cards alone will draw over 500W). A 1kW PSU like the Corsair HX-1000 or Silverstone OP1000 would go down well.

Case is kind of personal choice mixed with practical. Unless you've got some notes on what you look for in a case suggestions can be tough. But something with excellent airflow is a good idea, since the 4870X2s in Xfire generate a buttload of heat.

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- US Senator Hugh Scott

SkitZaY 
8/9/08 11:12:40 AM
Serf
Cheers for the quick reply tantryl.

I understand the comparissons, but the ram choice also changes motherboard choice. I'm just seeing what others think. But I tend to agree that money can be saved on DDR2 for equal(ish) performance, then maybe used on something else.

Mainboard, does the DQ6 come to mind, if so how do you think it'd fair against Asus' Rampage Formula?

RAM, I'll probably go DDR2, but probably the higher clock of around 1066.

PSU, I was cutting it close, but there weren't many alternative PSUs I could find (in the 1000W range) that wasn't atleast $100 more. The seasonic will probably handle it, but not much room for expanding.

Case, I usually go black with LEDs. Side window would be good, plan on loading it with either green, or orange LEDs / UV / cathodes etc

EDIT: Another thing, would it be worth waiting for core i7? Which is apparently due in several months.

-Skit


Edited by SkitZaY: 8/9/2008 11:19:02 AM

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2SHY 
8/9/08 4:04:32 PM
Charge
+ 1 to what tantryl Said.

I upgraded to a Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 Very happy with it. DDR3 as they say is not worth the upgrade. You could go to http://www.staticice.com.au/ and compare prices.

Asus Rampage Formula review by atomic http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?CIID=117332.

RAM: Any decent DDR2 RAM at 1066 with warranty should come close or around $100 AUD

If you got money to buy the computer buy it now. The wait is not worth it for Netburst architecture IMO. But the choice is yours.





Edited by 2SHY: 8/9/2008 4:09:31 PM


Edited by 2SHY: 8/9/2008 4:11:56 PM

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SkitZaY 
8/9/08 5:25:01 PM
Serf
I've decided to go with DDR2 in the end, now it's just finding the appropriate mobo.

I'm going between the Gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6 (DDR2 version) and DFI LanParty LP-LT-X48-T2R. Once again, open to other suggestions, but these are the most suitable I have found, and still an alright price.

2SHY: Yeah, figure I'll just get the CPU now, I can't see a new CPU impacting gaming performance as much as a new GPU, and gaming is what I am going to be doing most of.

-Skit

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Master_Scythe 
8/9/08 5:29:33 PM
Titan

Gigabyte.

They've always had nicer boards to work with IMO.

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tantryl 
8/9/08 5:43:20 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


The DFI boards have been somewhat unreliable lately, and while they're back to being good overclockers they're no better than the Gigabyte, and they're a lot more fiddly in the BIOS. Ditto to the Rampage. I'd stick with the GA-X48-DQ6.

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- US Senator Hugh Scott

SkitZaY 
8/9/08 5:55:54 PM
Serf
Excellent, thanks for the input guys. DQ6 sounds pretty good then. Only real flaw I have found is lack of PCI-E. I think there'd be no slots left after installing the 2 4870x2.

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Midnight_light 
8/9/08 11:03:24 PM
Primarch
Be careful with the DQ6 i think two of the sata ports do not work unless your raiding two drives together.

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AMD 5200+
4GB 800MHz
Gainward 9600GT Golden Sample
640GB+ 2x320GB
Pioneer 212D
Corsair HX-520
Antec 900 modded

SkitZaY 
9/9/08 12:12:03 PM
Serf
ORDERED!

Placed the order for my PC just 5 minutes ago, from skycomp. They had pretty good prices, and never heard bad about them.

1 AD7200S0BK Sony SATA BLACK AD7200S0BK Internal DL Multiformat 20 x DVD¦RW Drive - 12x DVD-RAM, 8x ¦R DL, O $46.00 $46.00
1 GA-X48-DQ6 GIGABYTE S775,X48,FSB1600,DDR2,2xPCIE2.0,RAID GA-X48-DQ6 $363.00 $363.00

1 AMX-AX1000 Amacrox Free Style 1000W PSU w/Cable Management (With suit-case) $274.00

1 B/DUAL-F2-8500CL5D-4GBPI G.SKILL 4GB (2GB x 2) PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) PI 5-5-5-15 4GBPI $160.00
1 HD103UJ ! SAMSUNG 1TB HD103UJ HDD - 32MB Cache - 1,000GB SATA II 7200rpm $175.00

1 BX80569Q9550 INTEL CORE 2 QUAD QX9550/2.83GHz/12MB CACHE/1333MHz FSB/LGA775 ! $459.00

1 Z-5500DTHX LOGITECH Z-5500DTHX DIGITAL SPEAKER 500 WATTS RMS $381.00

1 EAH4870X2-HTDI-2G (NEW!) ASUS EAH4870X2-HTDI-2G 4870 X2 2G,DDR5,DVI,HDTV,HDCP,HDMI $688.00

1 VGGAPX70FTJ3 GAINWARD PCIE ATI RADEON HD4870X2 2GB D5 2DH X2 2048 VGA $677.00

1 ! 66R-02034(V64ULTI1) MICROSOFT WINDOWS VISTA ULTIMATE 64-BIT DVD-OEM 1/PK SP1 $246.00



I will be getting the Cooler Master HAF 932 from ItEstate (they just got it in stock), as they are right around the corner from me.
Saitek Coyborg Keyboard and Mouse to come soon, to give a bit of a theme.


Thanks very much for your help guys, will post some self-pimpage later when it comes in!

-Skit

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mohawk 
9/9/08 6:08:36 PM
Guru

Face Plant!!!

Start Rant.

I can't understand why you have spend nearly $300 on a PSU with a 1 year warranty when you could have got I good PSU like the Antec TruePower 1000W Quattro or Corsair HX-1000 for instance, which come with a 5 year warranty.

End Rant.



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Atomic’s most recommended PSU’s thread.
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=19&t=1587

tantryl 
9/9/08 6:12:42 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


And we don't even know what the Amacrox one can do. No reviews, and they don't even have the rail specifications on the manufacturers website.

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"It is the war we cannot win, nor can we lose nor drop. There is evidence of an instability of ideas, a floating series of judgements, our policy of nervous conciliation which is very disturbing."
- US Senator Hugh Scott

mohawk 
9/9/08 6:17:35 PM
Guru

Quote by tantryl
And we don't even know what the Amacrox one can do. No reviews, and they don't even have the rail specifications on the manufacturers website.



Very true but you forget that it comes with a suit case so it must be good. :P

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AM2 5000+@3.0Ghz,GA-M57SLI-S4,8800GT 512MB,2gb geil ultra,Corsair HX620w,22" Acer AL2216W,Antec 900
Atomic’s most recommended PSU’s thread.
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=19&t=1587

SkitZaY 
9/9/08 7:20:27 PM
Serf
lol, thats not why I bought it. Extract from a review (Not on the PSU I bought).

""Amacrox might be not a familiar name to everyone, but the company just expanded its business over in Europe and should soon spread to the US as well. Most people in the PSU market know that Amacrox is actually a brand of the FSP group, which is the third largest power supply manufacturer worldwide . With Amacrox, the people at FSP wanted to create a brand that is actually "hip", whereas FSP is the more conservative brand. ""
http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3277

Third largest power supply manufacturer worldwide doesn't sound too bad to me. ;) 1 year warranty doesn't really concern me either, I tend to buy components yearly.

I can understand where you are coming from most certainly, but someones gotta try the new guy and see if he's any good, eh?

EDIT: And yeah, once again, I won't ever use that case. Cable Management was a plus to me, and I'm the type of guy to give the underdog a go.


Edited by SkitZaY: 9/9/2008 7:21:33 PM

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tantryl 
9/9/08 8:01:16 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


Heh, some of the largest manufacturers make the worst products :P

FSP's quality varies. However the review you just linked shows a disturbing possibility. It's labelled a 560W PSU, but you'll notice it's actually a 400W PSU. Hopefully the Amacrox 1kW doesn't suffer the same Peak = Sticker marketting bollocks.

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"It is the war we cannot win, nor can we lose nor drop. There is evidence of an instability of ideas, a floating series of judgements, our policy of nervous conciliation which is very disturbing."
- US Senator Hugh Scott

SkitZaY 
9/9/08 8:13:14 PM
Serf
True, sadly if that's the case it's something I condemned myself to suffer. :P

Meh, hope for the best eh? If it's truly that bad, I suspect something would happen within the first year.

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mohawk 
9/9/08 8:51:07 PM
Guru

"We already tested the Freestyle 750W in one of our roundups last year and found it performed quite well… until it failed."


http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3277

Quote by SkitZaY Meh, hope for the best eh? If it's truly that bad, I suspect something would happen within the first year.


Murphy's law it will stuff up 1 day after your warranty expires.

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AM2 5000+@3.0Ghz,GA-M57SLI-S4,8800GT 512MB,2gb geil ultra,Corsair HX620w,22" Acer AL2216W,Antec 900
Atomic’s most recommended PSU’s thread.
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=19&t=1587

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