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Another AMD - Intel question thread...
Garband 
7/9/08 3:45:55 PM
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Yes, it is another one of these (it's also my first post too.. Hey Atomicons! :] ). I apologize though...

I've done a nice amount of reading on the subject.. But I still haven't been able to deduce a conclusion. Is AMD or Intel the better choice?

For me, my need is quite simple. I'm looking at gaming as the primary job of my new system. Once I go off to college, I have to get a Macbook Pro (or maybe something else once the new Macbooks come out), so anything else will be done on it. I do want it to do it's job above average though. All my life I've been a low-setting maybe sometimes medium gamer. I want to experience the other side. I want shadows, I want high FPS, I want to experience the game the best I can.

Based off of that simple need, I've been told a bunch of different things which have confused me. Originally I was told AMD is a gamer's delight.. But then I was told that Intel is just as good if not better. So set me straight.

For a gamer, should I be looking at AMD or Intel? And what, of those, should I look for, now that there is a new generation of technology out?

My budget is around 1,500 USD, with leeway. My goal is to game on high settings. I'm still quite new to the computer world (I looked at building a system at the beginning of this year, which taught me a little), so I'm not sure what I'm doing. I'm not really asking for suggestions (okay, well, I am...), but I'm looking for information to help me understand why I'm getting what I'm getting.

Sorry for this thread, but thanks to you all. :]

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sora3 
7/9/08 3:48:38 PM
Immortal

Well, if you are getting a Macbook, stick with it. Seriously. Why bother with a desktop when you can do everything on the laptop anyway?

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SceptreCore 
7/9/08 3:57:42 PM
Guru

So this Macbook will be for college use yes? Primarily doing word documents and internet browsing.

Allow me to clarify, are you looking at buying a gaming laptop, or a buying a laptop, and then building a gaming PC?

Also, Im going to assume that your from the US, so if yes, your going to be building a gaming PC, then maybe you could list off some online retailers in your area.

Also in regards in to who is better for gaming, I have to reluctantly say, that Intel is the better choice.

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strifus 
7/9/08 5:05:21 PM
Charge
im going to go out on a limb here and say that the AMD/INTEL fight is a non event, at the moment. Intel is out on top at the moment for pricing and performance for now unless AMD can release something to compete with the "Core 2" architecture. So, the answer to your CPU question is, "Intel."

sceptre can probably help you with that and you can fill him in on the prices of peripherals and equipment over there. however, the basics should be the same:

Core 2 Quad (of some description possibly Q6600)
4Gb RAM (of generic or otherwise)
1 or 2xRadeon4870 (choice is up to you)
Gigabyte or Asus (or other mobo manufacturers, again your choice)
A good PSU
A good case,
etc.

no doubt sceptre can do a much better job at this. from experience though, youll be able to get at least 2 years of good performance out of these before youll need an upgrade.

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Garband 
8/9/08 4:16:23 AM
Serf
Quote by sora3
Well, if you are getting a Macbook, stick with it. Seriously. Why bother with a desktop when you can do everything on the laptop anyway?


Well, the point of the laptop will be for college use... Papers, notes, recording, engineering (music school lol), etc. And I'm not sure, but I doubt that it'd be good for higher end of mid, to high performance gaming.

Quote by SceptreCore
So this Macbook will be for college use yes? Primarily doing word documents and internet browsing.

Allow me to clarify, are you looking at buying a gaming laptop, or a buying a laptop, and then building a gaming PC?

Also, Im going to assume that your from the US, so if yes, your going to be building a gaming PC, then maybe you could list off some online retailers in your area.

Also in regards in to who is better for gaming, I have to reluctantly say, that Intel is the better choice.


Yes, the laptop will be college use.. Like mentioned about, it'll be for papers, notes, recording, etc. And because I want to experience quality gaming, I was looking at getting the laptop then building a gaming PC. But not necessarily in that order :p

Also, from looking through some various sites, newegg.com seems to be the cheapest, so I've been looking on it for my stuff.

Quote by strifus
im going to go out on a limb here and say that the AMD/INTEL fight is a non event, at the moment. Intel is out on top at the moment for pricing and performance for now unless AMD can release something to compete with the "Core 2" architecture. So, the answer to your CPU question is, "Intel."

sceptre can probably help you with that and you can fill him in on the prices of peripherals and equipment over there. however, the basics should be the same:

Core 2 Quad (of some description possibly Q6600)
4Gb RAM (of generic or otherwise)
1 or 2xRadeon4870 (choice is up to you)
Gigabyte or Asus (or other mobo manufacturers, again your choice)
A good PSU
A good case,
etc.

no doubt sceptre can do a much better job at this. from experience though, youll be able to get at least 2 years of good performance out of these before youll need an upgrade.


Thanks for the info and suggestions. :]

Thanks to you all for your responses. :]

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SceptreCore 
8/9/08 4:36:13 AM
Guru

Well had you mentioned that before! :)

Anyway... first and foremost.. do you have the cash?

And if yes, what is your budget?


Edited by SceptreCore: 8/9/2008 04:36:40 AM

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Garband 
8/9/08 6:32:40 AM
Serf
Quote by SceptreCore
Well had you mentioned that before! :)

Anyway... first and foremost.. do you have the cash?

And if yes, what is your budget?


Edited by SceptreCore: 8/9/2008 04:36:40 AM


Lol, sorry. When I posted this I had just gotten out of some major REM rebound, so I was pretty hazy...

I have the cash, yes. My budget is $1500 USD, with some leeway. Sorry, I thought I had posted it earlier.

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Garband 
8/9/08 12:48:21 PM
Serf
I did some looking around tonight and attempted to make some at least decent decisions.. I hope I did alright, but I probably didn't.

Lists are item names, then the links are below.


Items:::
CPU -- Can't decide on quad or dual-core.. Looking at a Q6600 or an E8500
Motherboard -- DFI P45-T2RS Plus
Memory -- Thinking about 2x 2gig OCZ DDR2 1066 (I read somewhere that 1066 is best for overclocking.. Any validity?)
Hard Drive -
CD ROM or DVD Drive --
Video Card -- possibly doing Crossfire with Radeon HD 4870 and a 4850
Sound Card --
Power Supply --
Monitor -- Samsung 20" widescreen LCD


Links:::
CPU -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
Motherboard -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136053
Memory -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298
Hard Drive -
CD ROM or DVD Drive --
Video Card -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121272
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113
Sound Card --
Power Supply --
Monitor -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001270

EDIT: Sorry for double post.. For some reason I was thinking someone had posted after my last one, sorry.


Edited by Garband: 8/9/2008 12:49:44 PM

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SceptreCore 
8/9/08 1:31:59 PM
Guru

Okay here is your list.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 - $189.99
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3R - $129.99
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 - $79.99
HDD: Seagate ST3640323AS 640GB - $84.99
Graphics: MSI R4870X2-T2D2G-OC Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB - $549.99
Optical: Pioneer DVR-216DBK - OEM - $29.99
Power Supply: SILVERSTONE SST-ST60F 600W - $99.99
Case: COOLER MASTER RC-690 - $84.99
Monitor: LG W2252TQ-TF Black 22" 2ms - $319.99

So that is $1569.91. But to get the most out of the 4870X2, then you would probably need to get a good overclock on the CPU. So you will need a good heatsink.

Heatsink: Thermalright Ultra-120 - %59.99
Fan: Scythe S-Flex SFF21G 120mm Case Fan - $19.99
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 - $6.99

$86.97 So stretch that budget out to $1656.88 and you will have a kickarse computer.

All from Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Index.aspx?Name=Home

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Garband 
9/9/08 12:41:31 PM
Serf
Quote by SceptreCore
Okay here is your list.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 - $189.99
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3R - $129.99
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 - $79.99
HDD: Seagate ST3640323AS 640GB - $84.99
Graphics: MSI R4870X2-T2D2G-OC Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB - $549.99
Optical: Pioneer DVR-216DBK - OEM - $29.99
Power Supply: SILVERSTONE SST-ST60F 600W - $99.99
Case: COOLER MASTER RC-690 - $84.99
Monitor: LG W2252TQ-TF Black 22" 2ms - $319.99
Heatsink: Thermalright Ultra-120 - $59.99
Fan: Scythe S-Flex SFF21G 120mm Case Fan - $19.99
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 - $6.99

$86.97 So stretch that budget out to $1656.88 and you will have a kickarse computer.



Awesome! Thanks for the list... I guess mine was just poor. =P lol

But, I do have some questions about your list...

Is the HD 4870 X2 really worth $550? It's really expensive.. And it's 1/3 of my budget.. lol But, I don't really know...

Also, I don't really need a 22" monitor.. That's pretty huge.. And I could shave a few bucks off if I drop it down to a 20". Is the Samsung I have in my list a good monitor?

Regardless, thanks a ton.


Edit:: I need an OS. lol I'm thinking the home version of 64-bit Vista? But which package? lol


Edited by Garband: 9/9/2008 12:54:45 PM

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SceptreCore 
9/9/08 1:29:55 PM
Guru

You need all these things, for the lord has deemed them good and worthy! (That's me)

Seriously though the 4870X2 is the best card on the market at this point in time.... and may very well continue to be for a long time ahead! And as it's just over your budget... why the hell not, when I someone gives me a budget I get the best I can for it... even if I go slightly over. So if you don't want a 22" you can drop it down to a 20" thats cool.

But just a side note you may need a 750W PSU... sorry dude my bad!

so that PSU should be 129.99 and it should be the CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Just add this to the list, and replace the monitor with the one you want... and then re-adjust the price for us... coz I can't be stuffed :P

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strifus 
10/9/08 12:05:45 AM
Charge
just making sure, are the prices your quoting garband in USD sceptre??

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confined 
10/9/08 12:42:51 AM
Immortal

Quote by strifus
just making sure, are the prices your quoting garband in USD sceptre??


Newegg is US-based, so yes.

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Garband 
10/9/08 9:06:59 AM
Serf
Cooler Master RC-690 KKN1 -- $84.99
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R -- $129.99
MSI Radeon HD 4870 X2 -- $549.99
Corsair CMPSU-750TX -- $129.99
E8500 3.16GHz -- $189.99
G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) -- $76.99
Seagate 640GB -- $84.99
Samsung 2053BW 20" -- $219.99
Pioneer 20x -- $29.99
Thermalright Ultra-120 -- $59.99
Scythe S-Flex Sff21G -- $14.99
Sub-Total:: $1,571.89

But I have two more questions...

The mobo's standard memory is DDR2 1200.. But there's only 2GB DDR2 1200 ram.. Should I find a new mobo, or can I configure it in BIOS or something to read a different speed?

Also, should I get three of the Scythe fans since there's three 120mm places? lol

Speaking of which, the sub-total goes up to if I get 2 more $1,601.87 fans.


Edited by Garband: 10/9/2008 09:12:19 AM

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