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bbjai 
7/9/08 2:29:06 PM
Overlord

Hey everyone

I know there is another storage thread out here by Tantryl but I read it and I need some advice. I recently set up a network with a Apple Airport Extreme and a Airport Express. Now the express has a ethernet port (its connected wirelessly to the Extreme) and I want to connect a computer (my old computer) to it. Its a P4 512mb Ram 80 gig hard disk and a ATI video card.

What do I need to add to it to make it a storage server? Do I need like some kind of OS like Windows Home server?

Bear in mind I probably won't stream video but maybe will stream music. The computer will also be my primarily be a backup machine so basically three machines (imac, Vista Laptop and a Dell Inspiron) will be backing up to this computer. Every week ish i think. And it should be scheduled

Would I need:

Hard disk with higher rated lives as opposed to speed? (I intend to leave this running 24/7.

Change the CPU to something less power consuming?

Buy HD's in raid?

What OS would I need, the computer has a current XP licence. I'm really new to backup and server side of things for home so if anyone can give me some pointers it would be appreciated

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SceptreCore 
7/9/08 2:55:47 PM
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XP is fine. You don't need any sort of special OS, or server OS. It's just sending/receiving/storing data, so that's it.

HDD's, well for me Seagates have always lasted me years. But I think most would recommend WD's 640GB Sata II drive.

If your going to be upgrading the CPU, then your going to have to upgrade the motherboard as well.

So something like this:

CPU: E1200 - $45 (or if you want performance of Core2)/E7200 - $148
Motherboard: G31M-S2L - $59
RAM: DDR2 1G-800 G.Skill - $25 (performance? 2x1GB DDR2 800mhz ADATA)/- $49
HDD: 2x WD 640GB - $180

Minimum $309 to upgrade. or $436 for performance. All from MSY.

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Master_Scythe 
7/9/08 4:55:14 PM
Titan

If its going to be on 24\7 buy an 'AV Drive' or 'video drive'

they're designed for use in security cameras, they're like a middle grond between desktop drives and server drives (in terms of reliability).

Seagate SATAII 500GB 7200RPM 16mb Cache(SV35 Surveillance) $149

normally they'd be about $95 for a 500gb drive.

Then again if you want to use RAID 1 or RAID 5 then who cares about reliability.

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smadge1 
7/9/08 5:09:30 PM
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RAID doesn't increase reliability, it decreases it.

RAID helps to keep data intact if something does go wrong.

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bbjai 
7/9/08 6:20:25 PM
Overlord

Ok this is my thing right, I want this to keep backups of all my computers, using like a Acronis True image or something. Would RAID 1 be something that would be a good safeguard for any failure. I mean its a backup after all.

If so would the software raid be enouhg?

second of all is a P4 too much of a power drain?

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SceptreCore 
7/9/08 6:44:33 PM
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Quote by bbjai
Ok this is my thing right, I want this to keep backups of all my computers, using like a Acronis True image or something. Would RAID 1 be something that would be a good safeguard for any failure. I mean its a backup after all.

If so would the software raid be enouhg?

second of all is a P4 too much of a power drain?


P4 does chew more power being on an older manufacturing process.

I think you would need continuous backup, whereas Acronis you would have to do it manually.

Plus Im not sure if RAID would be better. Are you planning on backing up just certain files, Operating System, or the whole lot?

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smadge1 
7/9/08 6:50:26 PM
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WHS backs up connected Windows machines every night when they're turned on (or whenever you configure the backup to happen)

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bbjai 
7/9/08 6:59:52 PM
Overlord

haha yeh I thought WHS would be useful like so. I might just snap up the WHS and use the XP licence on the iMac for boot camp.

I was thinking about backing up everything OS and all. But the option is there to backup only important things like, Music, Documents, movies and photos. I don't even backup normally so this is all new to me. The most important thing to me is that it has to be able to be scheduled and WHS i think is able to do that. I don't even know where I can buy WHS lols. And if its any good

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Master_Scythe 
7/9/08 7:11:22 PM
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Acronis True Image is fantastic. even in windows.

and Norton Ghost I know for a fact can image a HDD thats still in use if you decide to go for a dedicated application.

Then just have a script that runs the backup and shuts down when complete.

scenes as i just set up an always on file server myself, I should get to this myself.

TO GOOGLE! if i find a good freeware app ill let you know.


EDIT:

ah yes, my old friend. I used to use this program long ago.

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

http://lifehacker.com/software/feature/hot-image-your-pcs-hard-drive-with-driveimage-xml-326086.p

It works well. Uses shaddow copy to image an in-use drive, an can be scheduled.




Edited by Master_Scythe: 7/9/2008 07:15:45 PM

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SceptreCore 
7/9/08 7:17:09 PM
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It's not freeware but Paragon is a winner.

I think you get a 30-day trial?

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bbjai 
7/9/08 7:20:29 PM
Overlord

I've read a bit about Windows Home Server and I've found it to be what I need I think. It seems to me that the parts I have are sufficient to run it. I'll just need to hook up some AV Drives for storage. And maybe buy some good quiet fans to keep the whole thing cool and workable.

I'm still concerned about the P4 but I guess the end result is that the power draw isn't too much if its not really processing anything the majority of the time. I don't envisage any like Video streaming but music streaming so thats a good thing.

They don't make those WD 640s in AV version do they. Ah crap

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Master_Scythe 
7/9/08 7:22:52 PM
Titan

AND that app i linked, nt only works (from person experience, and its heaps better since i last used it. just reinstalled) but it also supports command line switching!

meaning....

<batch file>
drvimgxlm.exe /switch /switch

shutdown.exe -t 10
</batch file>

and its backed up and shut down. WEWT!

Now all i need is a way to make my file server delete the old backup when a new one is created. however, to keep the last 2 copies.

hmmm

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smadge1 
7/9/08 7:25:02 PM
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Quote by Master_Scythe
Now all i need is a way to make my file server delete the old backup when a new one is created. however, to keep the last 2 copies.

hmmm



it's as simple as creating an incrementing file, that gets reset every day.

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bbjai 
7/9/08 8:09:57 PM
Overlord

Where can i get Windows Home Server from??

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smadge1 
7/9/08 8:16:02 PM
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check http://www.staticice.com.au/


Edited by smadge1: 7/9/2008 8:16:46 PM

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Sparky 
7/9/08 10:55:08 PM
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You don't have to go for AV drives. The AV drives are ment for constant use, not hardcore use like a server drive just constantly on. But it is most likely that in your file server even though the server will be on 24/7 the drives themselves will be spin down most of the time.

Regular drives should be fine.

In terms of data redundancy I would reccomend raid 5. Sure it requires either a capable version of windows or a hardware controller, but the cost benefit is there once you fator in the cost vs capacity.

You may also like to consider linux as an os. It is now very straight forward to install and navigate around in. and while I hav not done it i imagine has a easy gui setup to get basic file sharing working through samba. Linux will also do raid 5 right out of the box and its free - more mone to spend on more storage.

As for backup - i don't know, I havnt done it.

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Master_Scythe 
7/9/08 10:57:47 PM
Titan

yes ubuntu is easy to set up if you go that route.

in fact they're all just install and go nowadays.

however id say a barebones version of windows, along with driveimagexml will be PERFECT>

i just tested its command line swithes.

works a charm. best backup software EVER.

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bbjai 
7/9/08 11:20:58 PM
Overlord

I'm starting to think a whole new build might be better?
smaller form factor, smaller noise, heat and power comsumption.

how about this for a build?

Antec NSK2480 Case with Earthwatts 380W PSU $129
AMD AM2 Dual Core 4850e $93
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H $99
DDR2 2GB 667MHz Hynix $41
3.5" IDE 500GB 8MB WD5000AVJB x 2 (@$99 each)
Windows Home Server $187

All prices from IT Estate except for the case which is from PC Casegear.

Total: $747

damn thats a expensive sum.

Maybe I should stick with my original computer and just add two $99 hard disks






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bbjai 
7/9/08 11:27:36 PM
Overlord

Quote by Master_Scythe
yes ubuntu is easy to set up if you go that route.

in fact they're all just install and go nowadays.

however id say a barebones version of windows, along with driveimagexml will be PERFECT>

i just tested its command line swithes.

works a charm. best backup software EVER.



I would try that but my mum has to operate this and she doesn't like linux. Shes the one paying too lols

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Master_Scythe 
8/9/08 12:04:00 AM
Titan

yep.

basic windows server, driveImageXML on each PC

make soe SIMPLE batch files called 'backup drive X and shutdown' and run them when you go to bed or whatever.

simple as, and the software is free and in my experience reliable.

also, thats a stupid build man in terms of value.

Antec NSK2480 Case with Earthwatts 380W PSU $129

Overkill. surely you have an old case and generic PSU? its not going to be taxed at all.

AMD AM2 Dual Core 4850e $93

Intel E1200 is what I run. Undervolted to 0.8v and overclocked by 100mhz. Runs 5degs above ambient.

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H $99

cheapest mobo you can find with solid caps is what you want. surely theres a cheaper board than this.

DDR2 2GB 667MHz Hynix $41

1gb. its a file server man!

3.5" IDE 500GB 8MB WD5000AVJB x 2 (@$99 each)

as stated, since you wont be writing continuously, they'll probably stop spinning. so AV drives arent necisary, sorry about suggesting before, i dont let my drives spin down as i dont care about power.
get Samsung 640gb's, they're $86 or so from MSY

Windows Home Server $187

Use windows 2000 if you have a copy 'lying around' (im sure you left one on the internet somewhere last time you were on...) it saves money.

or as long as you're not using more than 10 connections to the server at once, XP home if you're feeling in a 'legit' mood.

unless of course you want home server to do everything for you. im a 'do it manually' kinda guy caus its the only way I trust.


Edited by Master_Scythe: 8/9/2008 12:09:56 AM

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