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combmyhair 
4/9/08 11:00:29 AM
Disciple
http://www.ticomputers.com.au/pdtDetailList.asp?grp=pdt&pdtid=TIW0026

Can someone have a look at the above? Is that a good price on the system and how much could I potential shave off if I build it myself? :P

description: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 12mb cache $1230.00

GA EP45DS3 Motherboard
Gigabit lan SATA Dual channel II
4GMb DDR2 Ram 800MHZ Kingston
750G Samsung SATA II 32Mb Cache 7200rpm
TI deluxe case with 550W power
512Mb Geforce 9800G PCI Express
Logitech Ps II Keyboard and Mouse
Lg 20 Speed DVD-/+ RW Dual Layer
Built in Gigabit Lan and USB 2.0 Firewire 8 Channel Audio


Edited by combmyhair: 4/9/2008 12:03:54 PM

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combmyhair 
4/9/08 12:03:25 PM
Disciple
$226 Q6600
$139 Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3
$85 4GB DDR2-800 (2x2GB) kit
$160 9800GT PCI-e video card

Hi, the above was from another post someone else Eckythump made in this thread: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=8&t=21408 - maybe the 9550 isn't the best buy interms of performance vs price? I notice that is more than double the price of the q6660

and I thought its a good base for me to up and run with. I like the ram, the price is much cheaper than TIs.

Can you recommend a PSU and case from MSY to go with it? I think the only other thing I will add to the order is:


LG Retail SATA Blu-Ray Combo Player / Writer (because I kind of want a HD-dvd/bluray player as well)

and a harddrive?


I'd like a 64bit OS but they seem to have vista (not XP64bit). I don't know if gaming on vista works as well as it does on XP. Appreciate any help anyone can give. :)



Edited by combmyhair: 4/9/2008 12:04:42 PM

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eckythump 
4/9/08 4:36:29 PM
Champion

Doing a fairly straight price comparison:

From MSY:
160 9800GT
85 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2-800
139 GA-EP45-DS3
34 DVR-216BK
430 Q9550
105 750GB Samsung
15 Logitech Deluxe 250 mouse/kb

That comes to $960, leaving you about $300 for a case + PSU combination.

I think the price premium for the Q9550 is too high, but it's your dollar. I think the Q6600 will do you just fine, and it overclocks very well. Add a Noctua NH-U12P cooler to it, and not only will it keep it nice and cool for overclocking, it'll run rather quiet, too.

The Antec Sonata III is a pretty good case, and comes with a high quality 500W PSU. It's about $175 from MSY. It has come to my attention that some modifications may be necessary to make room for the more beastly GFX cards, but I think you should be fine with the 9800GT. But keep this in mind, all the same.

MSY, unfortunately, seem to have stopped stocking non-shit PSUs, so if you opt for buying case + PSU separately, then you might need to grab the PSU elsewhere. I'd recommend a Corsair HX-520 or HX-620, depending on what you plan on putting in it.

If you're interested in gaming, I'd definitely suggest you look at a ATI HD4870 card.

And you might also like to get a Pioneer blu-ray drive, rather than LG, for no reason other than the Pioneers have a fantastic reputation around here. That said, I imagine the LG will be just fine, even if slightly/moderately inferior.

They're my thoughts. Throw back some of your own, and perhaps a budget and what you ultimately want to do with your machien and you'll get good advice.

Oh, and you probably should go for the WD 640GB SATA drive over the 750GB drives, as they're faster. Unless you really need all that space, of course.

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combmyhair 
4/9/08 8:12:41 PM
Disciple
I'm happy to spend up to 1.5-2k on a system. Don't really play games much on a pc so I think a 9800GT will be fine.

Yes, I agree that the price premium on the 9550s is a bit too much. Almost double but not double in terms of performance. Think I will go with the Q6600 and be happy for now.

I'm chosing the LG drive because it reads both HD-DVD and blurays and I own both and it'd be nice to consolidate. Don't really need it though... have a hd-dvd player and a bluray player in a PS3... Unless the Pioneer reads both formats - then I'd be happy to go either way. or cannibalise one of my old dvd burners and save a bit of cash. :) But I'd hate for the dual format drives to disappear off the market if I don't get one now.


Thanks for your post! Very useful.

I'm thinking my main harddrive should be a 300gb Velociraptor...

so heres where I am now:


$226 Q6600
$139 Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3
$85 4GB DDR2-800 (2x2GB) kit
$160 9800GT PCI-e video card or $299 HD4870
$295 LG combo drive - bluray/hd dvd
$350 300gb velociraptor (?) - I can cannibalise another sata drive I have for secondary
$176.00Antec Sonata III (which I was already looking at)

tally = $1431


I think I'll be doing photoshop work + lightroom editing on the machine the most so I think the fast harddrive would be good for the system as both sort of write cache date to the HDD.

* did some research on the Harddrive.. seems as though this:

750G Samsung SATA II 32Mb Cache 7200rpm

is actually pretty speedy as well. :S


so confusing!



Edited by combmyhair: 4/9/2008 8:24:16 PM

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combmyhair 
4/9/08 8:27:51 PM
Disciple
someone wrote this on another forum: very close to what I'm looking at:

212 Intel CORE 2 Q6600/2.4Ghz/2x4MB/1066FSB/LGA77
133 Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L P45+ICH10 DDR2 1200 1600MHz PCI-E 2.0 SATAII GLAN 8Ch Audio ATX Ultra Durable
115 G.Skill DDR2 4G(2x2G)PC6400 800Mhz Blue Heatspreader 5-5-5-15
109 Samsung 750G 7200RPM 32MB Cache SATA II
109 Samsung 750G 7200RPM 32MB Cache SATA II
329 Sapphire HD4870 512M GDDR5 PCI E TVO
25 Samsung 20xDVD -/ R/RW Dual Layer OEM Black (SH-S202J/RSBN)
154 Antec Nine Hundred Tower Gaming Case with side window Black(No PSU)
143 Corsair HX-620 ATX Power Supply 120mm fan Dual PCI-E Graphics Card Connector 8 SATA Connectors

= 1329

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eckythump 
4/9/08 10:09:45 PM
Champion

The velociraptor will give you very little real-world performance increase.

The raptor series of drives pull ahead of the competition when they're thrashing about, getting bits of data from all over the drive. This is because they can seek to a physical location on the disk faster than the slower RPM drives. In terms of actual sequential read speeds, there's not much in it. The larger, 7200RPM drives have higher data density, which makes up for a lot.

So my suggestions:
Q6600
GA-EP45-DS3
4GB kit (2x2gb) generic DDR2-800 (This should be $90 or less)
9800GT
LG hd dvd/blu-ray drive.
2x WD 640GB drive. One for OS, one for workspace.

Everything else I'll leave up to you.

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combmyhair 
4/9/08 10:26:50 PM
Disciple
Thanks a lot. I'll run with that. I'll send MSY an email tonight, hopefully they'll have stock so I can do a pick up tomorrow.

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combmyhair 
5/9/08 5:41:40 PM
Disciple
Hi,

as I was going through the MSY parts PDF, I realise the latest version of the parts price list has a Q9400 available and then I did a google on that vs the Q6600 - seems like the $117 premium might be worth it? The MSY pdf also does not list a GA-EP45-DS3 but rather a G-B-EP45-DS3 (the same?)

Q6600 or Q9400 ?

GA-EP45-DS3 ?? G-B-EP45-DS3





Edited by combmyhair: 5/9/2008 7:01:49 PM

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eckythump 
5/9/08 6:38:01 PM
Champion

The G-B-EP45-DS3 is the same thing, they've just fucked up the name. :)

As for the Q9400, that's up to you. The Q6600 overclocks really well, if you're the overclocking kind. If you are, I probably woudln't bother with the Q9400. If you aren't into overclocking, then either, whatever you're willing to spend.

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combmyhair 
5/9/08 7:02:56 PM
Disciple
I've decided on these for sure:

Q9400
GA-EP45-DS3
4GB kit (2x2gb) generic DDR2-800 (This should be $90 or less)
4870 (if I can find one) - what's a good price? I find the online price + shipping to be .... ?
LG hd dvd/blu-ray drive.
2x WD 640GB drive. One for OS, one for workspace.
COOLMASTER S case (again, got to find one - the pcgearonline price had shipping at $50+)
Corsair HX-520


I think looking for the case + the 4870 will push the build a bit. Is the PSU adequate? If it is, I'll lock that in :)

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eckythump 
6/9/08 1:58:09 AM
Champion

Looks pretty good.

http://www.staticice.com.au/ is a good search engine for PC part prices.

You should be able to get a 4870 for under $330.

The PSU is good and I think it should be adequate. If you want some extra headroom, the HX-620 isn't much more expensive and you might appreciate a litle more grunt come next upgrade.

I assume you mean the CoolerMaster COSMOS S case. It's a popular case. I've never seen one first hand. I have a Lian-Li case myself, and it's beautiful. I imagine I'll still have it and be using it in another 5 years (which is about how old it is now.)

The thing you need to keep in mind for cases is whether they're deep enough to accommodate large (long) video cards. The COSMOS S is, without a doubt, so you've got a safe choice there. It's up to you if yo uwant to look for something cheaper.

It all looks pretty good to me, though. Go buy. :)



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