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intell_killer 
1/9/08 1:16:29 AM
Serf
VC XFX GTX260 xXx 640M PCIe/896MB/D-DVI or
VC SAPPHIRE HD4870 750M PCIe/512MB/DUAL-DVI

CPU INTEL CORE 2 Q6600 2.4GHz 4X2MB 1066FSB or
CPU INTEL CORE 2 DUO E8500 3.16GHz 2X3MB

MEM CORSAIR TWIN2X 4GB KIT PC8500F 1066M#
CASE ANTEC NINE HUNDRED GAMING CASE
PSU ANTEC EARTH POWER 650W PSU
HSF NOCTUA NH-C12P CPU COOLER

MBRD GIGABYTE GA-X48-DQ6 DESKTOP BOARD or
MBRD GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3R DESKTOP BOARD

I have been out of the loop on hard ware for about 2 years. Before that I was very well informed. With the ram and cpu. I wish to overclock the hell out of it. I believe the ram should operate at the same speed as the fsb(is this true),to avoid a bottleneck. What ever the video card people say I want a mb that will sli or x fire at full speed. If cost affective I would like wifi on it as well. Is the psu good to run in sli or x fire.



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Cpt. Lock 
1/9/08 9:48:02 AM
Banned

Grab the HD4870, they're a better performer and the best all around value card.

If you're gaming grab the E8500 it's the fastest CPU for gaming in the here and now, and it's not impossible to get 4.5ghz out of one. The Q6600 is a nice chip but you'll really struggle to get to 4ghz on one at a reasonable temperature. I'd say anything between 3.6 and 3.8ghz is a reasonable clock to expect to be stable on a Q6600.

Ram wise I wouldn't waste your money on corsair right now if you want performance RAM I'd go for something like team xtreme at the moment. Performance RAM only really comes in to play if you're doing high end overclocking and want to get the most out of your FSB

Your case choice is fine as is your PSU and CPU cooler. You may want to go with a beefier PSU if you intend to go with a crossfire setup down the track though

As for the motherboard the X48 board is the only way to go if you're going to go with crossfire down the track, but the P45 is a better overclocker


Edited by Cpt. Lock: 1/9/2008 9:53:47 AM

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Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 9:56:50 AM
Primarch
The RAM speed will be more of a bottleneck to the CPU, if anything, and therefore the CPU would be a bottleneck to the GPU, however the effect of this would be next to nothing. However, yes, you should keep your RAM speed the same as the FSB, or higher. The raw speed of your RAM will be the same as your FSB, always, however you can change the effective speed by changing the FSB:DRAM ratio or the memory multiplier. Remember that modern memory works in DDR (Double Data Rate) so essentially, whatever the speed of your FSB is, the RAM speed would be double that. With a memory multiplier, you can then change that double, to even more, such as x 2.4 right upto x 4.0

This is basically so you can get the correct speed which your memory is specified to run at. Remember to get high quality ram so that you can overclock the speed of the CPU more than with shitty RAM. Seeing as the FSB controls almost everything, you need to get high quality parts that depend on it.

If you want a motherboard with the full 16 electrical lanes then you have to scrap the idea of the P45 board, as the second slot is not a true x16 lane. The PSU is a good choice, however I would recommend something modular such as the Corsair HX 620, makes cabling so much easier and is one of the highest rated PSUs on this site.

For the graphics card, seeing as they are the same price I would say get the GTX260, because it is very similar performance to the HD 4870 however uses nVidia CUDA which will be utilized a lot in future applications which are around the corner.

If you do any sort of Video Encoding, get the Q6600, however if you are getting it purely for gaming, then I would say that the E8500 is better choice, as games only utilize 2 cores now days, and therefore a higher clocked CPU would perform better.

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Cpt. Lock 
1/9/08 10:11:24 AM
Banned

If he goes with a GTX260 then he can scrap the idea of either a P45 or an X48 as he said he wants SLI/Crossfire. The HD4870 is a better performer for all intents and purposes, CUDA, and Phsyx are gimmicks at the moment which mean nothing in the here and now.

Amway if you really want to go SLI then you have to deal with the fairly average nvidia chips for intel. Nvidia have never got it quite right like they have with AMD and Nvidia chipsets for intel CPU's are generally fairly flakey. with that all in consideration if you really must go nvidia then you're best with an EVGA 750i SLI FTW motherboard


Edited by Cpt. Lock: 1/9/2008 10:26:31 AM

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tantryl 
1/9/08 10:53:17 AM
SuperHero
Immortal


Quote by Doctor Octopus
The RAM speed will be more of a bottleneck to the CPU, if anything, and therefore the CPU would be a bottleneck to the GPU, however the effect of this would be next to nothing. However, yes, you should keep your RAM speed the same as the FSB, or higher. The raw speed of your RAM will be the same as your FSB, always, however you can change the effective speed by changing the FSB:DRAM ratio or the memory multiplier. Remember that modern memory works in DDR (Double Data Rate) so essentially, whatever the speed of your FSB is, the RAM speed would be double that. With a memory multiplier, you can then change that double, to even more, such as x 2.4 right upto x 4.0

This is basically so you can get the correct speed which your memory is specified to run at. Remember to get high quality ram so that you can overclock the speed of the CPU more than with shitty RAM. Seeing as the FSB controls almost everything, you need to get high quality parts that depend on it.



This is semi-informed not-quite-right information.

1 - The Core 2 architecture has minimal gains in performance if you operate the RAM above the FSB (or the x2.0/1:1 "divider"). By having the RAM double the FSB on good timings you're going to improve overall performance by a maximum of 5%, probably less in most situations.

2 - The Q6600 has a multiplier of 9x and a max overclock of about 3.6GHz (in most situations). This means that default, un-overclocked DDR2-800 CL5 will work with it perfectly. The E8500 has a multiplier of 9.5x and a max overclock of about 4.5GHz. This means that DDR2-1066 wouldn't even have to reach it's default limits to cover that overclock.

So in summary:
- If you're getting a Q6600 just get DDR2-800 with a decent warranty. Spending more on the RAM will give you bugger all benefit for the extra cost, the performance difference between DDR2-800 CL5 and DDR2-800 CL4 is less than 1%. It's just not worth it.
- If you're getting an E8500 just get DDR2-1066 with a decent warranty. Again, spending more won't benefit you in anything other than synthetic RAM tests that have no relation to real world results.

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Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 11:35:18 AM
Primarch
Firstly, my apologies as I don’t think my post was very clear.

Quote by tantryl
Quote by Doctor Octopus
The RAM speed will be more of a bottleneck to the CPU, if anything, and therefore the CPU would be a bottleneck to the GPU, however the effect of this would be next to nothing. However, yes, you should keep your RAM speed the same as the FSB, or higher. The raw speed of your RAM will be the same as your FSB, always, however you can change the effective speed by changing the FSB:DRAM ratio or the memory multiplier. Remember that modern memory works in DDR (Double Data Rate) so essentially, whatever the speed of your FSB is, the RAM speed would be double that. With a memory multiplier, you can then change that double, to even more, such as x 2.4 right upto x 4.0

This is basically so you can get the correct speed which your memory is specified to run at. Remember to get high quality ram so that you can overclock the speed of the CPU more than with shitty RAM. Seeing as the FSB controls almost everything, you need to get high quality parts that depend on it.



This is semi-informed not-quite-right information.

1 - The Core 2 architecture has minimal gains in performance if you operate the RAM above the FSB (or the x2.0/1:1 "divider"). By having the RAM double the FSB on good timings you're going to improve overall performance by a maximum of 5%, probably less in most situations.



When I said the ram speed being double the FSB, I meant that the RAM is DDR so it automatically gets an effective clock speed of the FSB, as in FSB=400 therefore the RAM speed=800MHz (effectively). Using a memory multiplier, you can then actually change that so if your FSB=400 you can get your ram to 960MHz (effectively) and therefore not have to raise the FSB to get an increase in the clock speed of your memory.

2 - The Q6600 has a multiplier of 9x and a max overclock of about 3.6GHz (in most situations). This means that default, un-overclocked DDR2-800 CL5 will work with it perfectly. The E8500 has a multiplier of 9.5x and a max overclock of about 4.5GHz. This means that DDR2-1066 wouldn't even have to reach it's default limits to cover that overclock.


Yes, this is correct, which is a good reason to get generic 1066MHz RAM, however I suggested high performance RAM because he wishes to “Overclock the hell out of it”.

So in summary:
- If you're getting a Q6600 just get DDR2-800 with a decent warranty. Spending more on the RAM will give you bugger all benefit for the extra cost, the performance difference between DDR2-800 CL5 and DDR2-800 CL4 is less than 1%. It's just not worth it.
- If you're getting an E8500 just get DDR2-1066 with a decent warranty. Again, spending more won't benefit you in anything other than synthetic RAM tests that have no relation to real world results.



True this.




Edited by Doctor Octopus: 1/9/2008 11:36:10 AM

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intell_killer 
2/9/08 2:31:45 AM
Serf
Thanks to all for the reply to my questions. Very pleased with the answers. With the heatsink is there better out there, REMEMBER i NEED TO OVER CLOCK IN AIR. With hdd I seen the samsung 500G is good. But the one I have seen is only 16 cache. But for a little more I can have a 750G 32 cache. Does the cache matter. Do they have the same platter count. Does cashe matter in rl(REAL LIFE). With my case is there better money spent some where else.Plus GIGABYTE GA-X48 there is about 3 or 4 versons on the seller I use. Whats the differents.

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mohawk 
2/9/08 7:39:12 AM
Guru

The Noctua is very good and you will get very good OC's with it. The best on the market is the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. You will need to buy a fan to put on it and the most recommended fan to use is one of the higher RPM Scythe Slip Stream or Ultra Kaze fans. http://tinyurl.com/6xw5jx

The difference between the X48 boards are just the features they offer. Just look at them on Gigabytes website and get the board with the features that suits you.


Edited by mohawk: 2/9/2008 7:39:50 AM

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intell_killer 
10/9/08 12:59:49 AM
Serf
Thanks to all, I have the setup. What proggy do I use to see the temp of my cpu

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intell_killer 
10/9/08 1:00:35 AM
Serf
btw it's the x48 bourd by gigabyte

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