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Does retail brand matter when it comes to graphics cards?
Graydog 
5/9/08 2:32:20 PM
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Hey team!

Ive just sold my 'Point of View' '8800GTS 512mb' as i have been wooed by the allure of the new nvidia GTX200 core :)

My question is does performance alter if you choose say, an EVGA GTX280 or a Palait GTX280 or an ASUS GTX280 or even OEM? etc etc

While im here, if you have a stock GTX280 and you overclock it to XFX GTX280 XXX edition specs do you essentially have a XFX GTX280 XXX edition card in your pc?

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c0nc0n 
5/9/08 3:02:26 PM
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Well, yes. You're paying for the brand name often you know...

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TheFrunj 
5/9/08 3:28:07 PM
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Brand does matter, as it defines the bundled games or accessories, as well as the warranty you get with it.

For example EVGA warrant you taking off the stock cooler, while the others don't.


And if you overclock a stock card to those speeds, you'll get the same performance, but you won't be covered by the warranty.

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Graydog 
5/9/08 3:29:52 PM
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www.pricespy.co.nz has an OEM GTX280 for $679.78NZ at the lowest price, however on the other end of the scale the BFG GTX280 is $1216.13NZ, so with just under double the price, are you getting double the performance? Surely you would be better-off buying 2 OEM cards and running them in SLI and completely obliterate the performance of the single BFG?
Which brings me to that other question, the BFG is slightly overclocked, so OEM + overclock = BFG o'c? or OEM o'c + OEM o'c in SLI = a crapload better performance single BFG o'c?

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Jeruselem 
5/9/08 3:30:22 PM
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With XFX, the warranty transfers to the next owner which makes it easier to sell.

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Graydog 
5/9/08 3:38:19 PM
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Quote by TheFrunj
Brand does matter, as it defines the bundled games or accessories, as well as the warranty you get with it.

For example EVGA warrant you taking off the stock cooler, while the others don't.


And if you overclock a stock card to those speeds, you'll get the same performance, but you won't be covered by the warranty.



I see, so warranty, bundled games and accessories aside, if you ran 3dmark 06, crysis benchmark etc on a cheap brand card, and then on the expensive branded card, the results would be the same?

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Graydog 
5/9/08 3:40:23 PM
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Quote by Jeruselem
With XFX, the warranty transfers to the next owner which makes it easier to sell.



Now that IS handy! especially with an everchanging market like this!

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 4:11:12 PM
Titan

To actually answer your question, no, all the cards (the actual card) are the same, they use the same components as they are all a reference design of the original made by nVidia. If you put the OEM card in and the BFG one (which is not a favorable brand IMO) then they would get the same performance.

Branded cards are good for their bundle and warranty, as stated, but the cards, themselves, do not differ.

Also I believe XFX allow the heatsink to be changed, just like EVGA, however, they are ridiculously expensive and therefore definitely not worth it over a cheaper brand or OEM.

The only reason certain companies charge so much is because they are fuckin greedy.

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Graydog 
5/9/08 4:21:59 PM
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Quote by Fat_Bodybuilder
To actually answer your question, no, all the cards (the actual card) are the same, they use the same components as they are all a reference design of the original made by nVidia. If you put the OEM card in and the BFG one (which is not a favorable brand IMO) then they would get the same performance.

Branded cards are good for their bundle and warranty, as stated, but the cards, themselves, do not differ.

Also I believe XFX allow the heatsink to be changed, just like EVGA, however, they are ridiculously expensive and therefore definitely not worth it over a cheaper brand or OEM.

The only reason certain companies charge so much is because they are fuckin greedy.




THANK YOU! Ive actully got another question relating to the Nvidia reference GTX280 review in atomic (cant remember the issue #) and the new GTX280 reviews in issue 92, the crysis benchmarks and the 3dmark06 scores greatly differ, ive left the mags at work and cant remember the exact scores but the reference card had significantly lower scores than the new ones, is that driver related?

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 5:31:18 PM
Titan

*Checks Atomic Issue #92*

From what I can see here, there is a Gigabyte GTX280, a Leadtek GTX260 and an XFX GTX260. In the Crysis performance benchmark, there are no 2 GTX280s. You may have been looking at the 2 GTX260s, which do, in fact, perform significantly differently. In fact, the XFX GTX260 performs at the same level as the GTX280, whereas the GTX260 from leadtek is a little behind.

This is actually simple :-)

The XFX GTX260 performs quite a bit better than the Leadtek GTX260, simply because it's the XXX edition, and substantially overclocked. This is nothing to do with drivers and nothing to do with the price tag, this is purely because the core, shader and memory clock on the XFX version is higher than the Leadtek version. This is done by the manufacturer to make it seem special -- they do also sell the standard version -- but this XXX version is a little better, however they charge a ludicrous amount for something like that, which you could do on your own, free of charge.

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Graydog 
5/9/08 5:54:02 PM
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Quote by Fat_Bodybuilder
*Checks Atomic Issue #92*

From what I can see here, there is a Gigabyte GTX280, a Leadtek GTX260 and an XFX GTX260. In the Crysis performance benchmark, there are no 2 GTX280s. You may have been looking at the 2 GTX260s, which do, in fact, perform significantly differently. In fact, the XFX GTX260 performs at the same level as the GTX280, whereas the GTX260 from leadtek is a little behind.

This is actually simple :-)

The XFX GTX260 performs quite a bit better than the Leadtek GTX260, simply because it's the XXX edition, and substantially overclocked. This is nothing to do with drivers and nothing to do with the price tag, this is purely because the core, shader and memory clock on the XFX version is higher than the Leadtek version. This is done by the manufacturer to make it seem special -- they do also sell the standard version -- but this XXX version is a little better, however they charge a ludicrous amount for something like that, which you could do on your own, free of charge.



do you have the issue that reviews the first GTX280? the nvidia reference 280, its like issue 90, 91 or something like that... compare those benchmarks to the gigabyte 280 in issue 92... see the difference, is that driver related?

sorry, my mistake for using plurals in the previous post :(

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 7:02:22 PM
Titan

Unfortunately, no I don't have that issue with me :-(

Hopefully TheFrunj will come in, or someone who has the mag handy to discuss the differences in the benchmarks.

Note, though, that drivers will have an effect on performance, of course. Whether it is enough to justify what 'could' be a large difference, I'm not sure.

Cheers :-)

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Graydog 
5/9/08 7:06:38 PM
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sweeeeet, ill pop into work tomorrow and grab my stash, i finally signed up to the forums and subscribed after a good year and a half of religiously reading the mag :)

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MyAlbanianAss 
5/9/08 9:00:39 PM
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don't better brands use like better capacitors n stuff? or am i thinking motherboards

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 9:22:23 PM
Titan

Quote by MyAlbanianAss
don't better brands use like better capacitors n stuff? or am i thinking motherboards



Well there are only two types of capacitors, Electrolytic and Solid. Sure the quality may vary between the two but, to answer your original question, no, the memory chips, capacitors and almost everything else, is all the same. The main things that vary are the sticker (=P), the heatsink (sometimes) and obviously the bundle.


Edited by Fat_Bodybuilder: 5/9/2008 9:22:38 PM

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Graydog 
5/9/08 9:28:09 PM
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Quote by Fat_Bodybuilder
Quote by MyAlbanianAss
don't better brands use like better capacitors n stuff? or am i thinking motherboards



Well there are only two types of capacitors, Electrolytic and Solid. Sure the quality may vary between the two but, to answer your original question, no, the memory chips, capacitors and almost everything else, is all the same. The main things that vary are the sticker (=P), the heatsink (sometimes) and obviously the bundle.


Edited by Fat_Bodybuilder: 5/9/2008 9:22:38 PM




Did i read that 1 thing that brought the XFX 790i mobo down was the use of solid along with electrolytic capacitors? They are a fairly renowned brand, i wonder how come they havnt made the switch to fully solid...?

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 9:45:29 PM
Titan

They have now, actually, recently the eVGA 790i FTW edition was brought out, which featured Solid Capacitors among other things.

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Tone2b 
5/9/08 9:45:45 PM
Initiate
*picks up issue 90*

*reads issue 91*

The reference GTX 280 has a Avg on crysis of 32.54

Issue 92 has the 280 with an Avg of 61.11. However the introduction to the article states that crysis is being run at a resolution of 1280x1024, all options ultra or high, no AA, no AF, Dx10.

The settings in issue 91 for crysis are 1920x1200 with quality settings maxed. The testbed in both tests are also different, for example issue 91 uses a QX9650/QX9770 overclocked to 4Ghz whereas issue 92 uses a QX6850 at 3Ghz

The 3D mark results are also different but this will come down to the test be me thinks

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 9:55:39 PM
Titan

Ahh okay, so basically the difference is so significant due to the resolution being so different, that would explain it, mostly.

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SquallStrife 
5/9/08 10:16:56 PM
Titan

Quote by Fat_Bodybuilder
Quote by MyAlbanianAss
don't better brands use like better capacitors n stuff? or am i thinking motherboards



Well there are only two types of capacitors, Electrolytic and Solid.



What about ceramic and tantalum?

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