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ASUS 4870 X2 or XFX 280 XXX Edition
osama_bin_athlon 
3/9/08 10:26:48 AM
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I'm really happy with the performance of my 3870X2 - so for me it's a no brainer, get the 4870X2! I will be getting one of these babies myself in about 6 weeks (hopefully somebody will have released one with better cooling by then)

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lukey1990 
3/9/08 10:45:40 AM
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Quote by osama_bin_athlon
I'm really happy with the performance of my 3870X2 - so for me it's a no brainer, get the 4870X2! I will be getting one of these babies myself in about 6 weeks (hopefully somebody will have released one with better cooling by then)



Core #2 on my 4870X2 (which is the slightly hotter core) is currently 37° idle.

standard 2D clock speeds.

you just need to create a custom fan profile that suites you, or set the fan to a certain speed.

if left to manage thermal discharge on it's own, it will be happy to idle @ 80-90°.

i'm not sure why ATi allow it to become so hot, even a 10% increase in fan speed brings acceptable temperatures.

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2red 
4/9/08 10:38:19 AM
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4870X2 FTW

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SceptreCore 
4/9/08 7:10:41 PM
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Quote by lukey1990
Quote by osama_bin_athlon
I'm really happy with the performance of my 3870X2 - so for me it's a no brainer, get the 4870X2! I will be getting one of these babies myself in about 6 weeks (hopefully somebody will have released one with better cooling by then)



Core #2 on my 4870X2 (which is the slightly hotter core) is currently 37° idle.

standard 2D clock speeds.

you just need to create a custom fan profile that suites you, or set the fan to a certain speed.

if left to manage thermal discharge on it's own, it will be happy to idle @ 80-90°.

i'm not sure why ATi allow it to become so hot, even a 10% increase in fan speed brings acceptable temperatures.


Hows that 4870X2 running with the phenom?

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elmo198 
4/9/08 9:11:46 PM
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lukey1990 whats the max fan speed you can set on 4870x2?
I have seen mine go as fast as 4500rpm, which is damn noisy as hell.. but damn it get the card cooldown hard tho.
I manage to drop my gpu and ram speed down to 300mhz on both, and have 35% speed too keep it at 50°c area. how you get it to 37°c?

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lukey1990 
4/9/08 9:43:36 PM
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Quote by SceptreCore
Hows that 4870X2 running with the phenom?



Quite well, lets just say I've never maxed out the card.

Bottlenecked for sure.


Quote by elmo198
lukey1990 whats the max fan speed you can set on 4870x2?
I have seen mine go as fast as 4500rpm, which is damn noisy as hell.. but damn it get the card cooldown hard tho.
I manage to drop my gpu and ram speed down to 300mhz on both, and have 35% speed too keep it at 50°c area. how you get it to 37°c?



Well, when i first got my card there were no programs to dynamically and actively control the fan speed.

So i wired the GPUs fan up to my secondary system fan port off my PSU.

So i could control the voltage the fan ran at, and monitor the RPM.

A day later i applied a couple of the temperature pins that also came with my PSU, i can get a readin of the 2nd GPU core that's accurate with 0-1°, which i based the fan's speed/voltage off of, and since then i've never seen the RPM go beyond 3300 max, that's in a ~31° ambient case.


The Memory IO controller is about 4-5° hotter that the 2nc GPU core (the hottest of the two cores).

The RAM gets quite warm, around 35-50° (idle / load).


Hope that's helped.

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SceptreCore 
5/9/08 12:41:35 AM
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Quote by lukey1990
Quote by SceptreCore
Hows that 4870X2 running with the phenom?



Quite well, lets just say I've never maxed out the card.

Bottlenecked for sure.



mmmm needs more 9950BE

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lukey1990 
5/9/08 10:01:58 AM
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Quote by SceptreCore
mmmm needs more 9950BE



Yes, i was looking at that the other day.


I'd really like an E8600, and overclock it to ~4.5GHz.

But its a socket that's nearly extinct.

And i do make use of a quad-core.

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 4:22:47 PM
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Quote by Baner86
Depends how much you are paying man.

At MSY you are going to pay less than $550 for a GTX280 (this is probably a stock standard card) versus $650 for a HD4870X2.

The HD4870X2 will own the GTX280 considerably in most games EXCEPT for Crysis where a stock GTX280 is VERY similair to a HD4870X2 until of course you push the resolution to very high levels and turn on anti-aliasing where the HD4870X2 has a slight edge.

I'd argue that if you can get the XFX XXX edition (factory overclocked no doubt) for only a bit extra over a stock 280GTX then that would represent better value than a HD4870X2.

That's simply because the performance is guaranteed with the single GPU.

Owning an HD4870X2 myself you buy it as the "FASTEST VIDEO CARD" right...but it's honestly a little disheartening to go through your games turning everything up to maximum graphics, then you'll run into a couple of games with lacklustre crossfire performance and watch the game run worse than my old 2900XT's or 8800GT's.



I don't see how that works, actually. If the game didn't scale on your X2 then they wouldn't scale on your 2900XTs, and seeing as 1 4870 > 2900XT you should still be getting better performance. Same goes for your 88s, but I know that certain games are cunts and therefore nVidia favorable.

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Graydog 
5/9/08 4:40:24 PM
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umm, GTX280 X2 anyone?

or GX2 i should say ;)


Edited by Graydog: 5/9/2008 04:41:36 PM

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heydude 
5/9/08 5:26:06 PM
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4870x2 full stop.

Then when you need some more grunt put another one in your system!!!

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 7:06:24 PM
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Quote by heydude
4870x2 full stop.

Then when you need some more grunt put another one in your system!!!




This is the fourth post saying 4870X2 without anything constructive.

I will refrain from losing my temper, but people either please add something useful to the discussion or seriously not say anything at all.

There are various reasons why a 4870X2 would not be the best choice, it depends on the context and the situation the person is in. And the idea of quadfire is ludicrous IMO, by the time that you need another one, something smaller, faster and in a single GPU would be out. Crossfire support by applications not perfected, nor is it the standard yet, never mind quadfire.

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Tone2b 
5/9/08 8:03:54 PM
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The context of this discussion is to try and identify which card I should buy in the next couple of weeks, that provides great gaming at resolutions on 1920 x 1080 (I have a LG L246WH) and hopefully means it doesn't need to be upgraded for at least a year.

Obviously the disadvantage of the 4870X2 is if the driver optimisation for new games is poor, therefore resulting in an experience alikened to a single 4870. I have checked the benchmarks and the 4870 alone isn't shabby (but nothing compared to the GTX 280). However I am tending towards the 4870X2 because I have a little faith that ATI will continue to provide good support (considering their business model for high end cards involves dual GPU cards).

Future games I will be playing include Crysis (yes I have been waiting to buy a new system to play it at a good resolution and eye candy), Far cry 2, Crysis warhead, spore (I have it in my hot little hands) and stalker clear skies.

To assist the discussion, the system I am buying has the following specs:

Intel Quad Core Q9650

Thermalright 120 Ultra Extreme CPU Cooler

Antec 120mm fan for CPU cooler

Asus X48 Rampage Extreme

4GB OCZ DDR3 RAM Platinum XTC 7-7-7 (CL 7) 1600Mhz (2 x 2Gb sticks)

ASUS 4870x2 Video Card

Auzentech X-fi

Cooler Master 690 Case,

OCZ 1010W Power supply

LG GGW H20 Blu-ray HD DVD Writer

ASUS DVD Writer 2014 L1T

2 x Samsung 640 GB SATAII 16MB cache (HD642JJ)

DVICO Dual 4 HDTV Internal Tuner Card

1 x Logitech diNovo Media Laser Desktop with Bluetooth 2.0

1 x Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit


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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 8:15:14 PM
Titan

A lost of those parts are completely overpriced and over-spec'd.

The PSU could be half that wattage, something like the Silverstone OP750 would be quite a bit cheaper and handle that system without a hitch.

That motherboard is going to give you no benefit as apposed the DDR3 support, which goes to my next point

Don't waste all that money on ram, if you get a DDR2 board, and get some really good Crucial Ballistix, you will see no difference in performance and will save a shit load of money.

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E8500 @ 4.0Ghz Daily || 2GB OCZ Special Ops || X38-DS4 || HD 4870   
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m4rx>> 
5/9/08 8:56:28 PM
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I've been using my new 4870x2 from day one and I can tell you it is the shizzle. I'm running off a 1920x1200 based dell2407 screen, and have been through a lot of video cards in my time, including recently having tested 2x9800gtx, 2xGTX280, 3xGTX280 and 4870 and I think the 4870x2 is where it is at.
Having used it since it came out I am only too happy to say it is the best graphics setup I have used since my 2x8800GTX - in terms of "single" card it is definitely at the top.

And for those who cry that crysis is bad for 4870x2, don't believe everything the reviews tell you. The 4870x2 plays that game the best of all card setups I have used so far save for 3xGTX280 (on a 30inch screen for that one), and I have recently just finished the game again using 1920x1200, all settings Very High with 4xAA and everything was smooth smooth smooth.

So mate, do yourself a favour and get one of these nice cards. It is the first time I have moved to the red camp and I am very happy. Despite this post possibly sounding a bit fan-boiish if you ask around you will find I am fairly impartial in terms of brands. The fanboiish nature of this post only reflects how extremely happy I am with this card.

Also fats is right, there are a lot of right things and a lot of wrong things with that list of kit. Ask around before you buy and you will be a much happier man.

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MyAlbanianAss 
5/9/08 8:59:18 PM
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well said.

that card does seem like the winner atm

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
5/9/08 9:01:26 PM
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Quote by m4rx>>
Despite this post possibly sounding a bit fan-boiish if you ask around you will find I am fairly impartial in terms of brands. The fanboiish nature of this post only reflects how extremely happy I am with this card.



Just because I can, I'd like to point out that, because you have used other hardware, tested it and gained results, your post doesn't sound fan-boyish at all :-)

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Sherman 
6/9/08 5:27:59 AM
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If it was me doing an upgrade or building a new system, I'd go for a single GTX 280. The 4870X2 is clearly a nice card, but I don't trust SLI/crossfire, never have and probably never will. I prefer single card solutions and that's where Nvidia shines atm if you're prepared to pay the cash.



Edited by Sherman: 6/9/2008 05:29:53 AM

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elmo198 
6/9/08 9:19:47 AM
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4870x2 dont need any constructive advice, everyone knows 4870x2 is the shit. when someone just blurs out 4870x2. they know is the cream of the crop.

If you really want a constructive advice for 4870x2. here is a few thoughts. for starters 4870x2 is a single card solution. and at best can keep up with all modern games, and futher more run as well as SLI GTX280 but with a single card. This frees up your other slots on your board which is great. because todays board have such limited slots already, compare to the 5x PCI's we used to have. In turn it allow you to add stuff like tuner card, wireless card, good sound card or even more raid card.
Basically todays board arent as expandable as the olden boards. m/b manufacturer jams all they can on a board, be it onboard sound, nic, vid and even wireless. tho some of the onboard solution might not be totally appealing to some. the point is. one card for the speed of 2 cards is a no brainer. even in future you can wack in another 4870x2 or 4870 or 4850 for that extra speed boost.

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Sherman 
6/9/08 5:09:44 PM
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"4870x2 dont need any constructive advice, everyone knows 4870x2 is the shit. when someone just blurs out 4870x2. they know is the cream of the crop."

That's a silly attitude to have. There's a bit of a circle jerk on Atomic atm about how good the 4870X2 is. It's a great performer in most titles and deserves credit for that, but it's not necessarily the best option for everyone wanting a high-end card, in every situation. To be fair, much that same thing was true when the 8800GTX was still in its prime.

"for starters 4870x2 is a single card solution."

Technically speaking it is, but it still works on the same principle as two crossfired cards. That requires crossfire optimisaton which I don't trust and certainly don't want to rely on. A genuine single card solution (be it ATI or Nvidia) can be trusted to give consistent performance with far fewer exceptions.

"one card for the speed of 2 cards is a no brainer. even in future you can wack in another 4870x2 or 4870 or 4850 for that extra speed boost."

As FB pointed out above, this isn't really practical. By the time you feel the need to buy a second card, there's almost always going to be a new single card that outdoes two of the older ones in SLI/crossfire, and as you said, two cards takes up more room and PCI slots.


Edited by Sherman: 6/9/2008 05:15:31 PM

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