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Low FPS in Crysis???
quarkboy 
26/8/08 10:02:33 AM
Serf
First let me give you the specs for my system (homebuilt)
650 watt Antec NeoPower, PSU
Asus P5E <Green> X38 chipset, mobo
2GB Gskill 4-4-4-12cl, ram
Visiontek ATi Raedon HD 4870, GPU
Intel E6750 @ 3.0Ghz, CPU
WD Raptor 10,000rpm 150GB, HD

I didn't know where to post this so I apologize if it is in the wrong section.

I recently upgraded video cards from an 8800GTS to the 4870 in hopes of getting smooth playability in crysis with good settings.
With the old 8800 @ 1920x1080 the game is completely UNplayable and was pretty much a slideshow.

Also with the new ATi card I decided to do a fresh install of Vista Ultimate 64, to start clean :)

So first problem is with the ATi Card Crysis will not even give me the option of 1920x1080 (which I was able to select with the nvidia), its highest resolution is 1770x1000. I have tried all the Catalyst drivers and none seem to remedy this; as well as all the crysis patches.

Anyway with my rig I figured it would be playable on high at 1920x1080; but I'm running it at 1680x1050 on medium settings to get a smooth framerate. I can crank the settings to high but if any action happens it will lag pretty badly and is not smooth.

So my two initial questions are:
1.) Has anyone had this problem with crysis not showing your screens native resolution and is there a fix?
2.) Should I be able to run this game on high settings at 1680x1050 smoothly or was I reaching too far?

Now to (hopefully) remedy the situation I just ordered 4 more GBs of ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231192

And I also ordered a QX6850 From intel (they have a purchase program for retail sales where the cost is $240).

Will these two upgrades enable me to run the game at max settings and resolutions? Or will I need to go crossfire with a 4870x2 in addition to my 4870?

Thanks for your responses in advance!

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Jeruselem 
26/8/08 10:09:09 AM
Guru

What ATI driver are you using? 8.6? 8.7? or the problematic 8.8?

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quarkboy 
26/8/08 10:13:55 AM
Serf
I'm currently using 8.8 drivers as the performance seems a little better than with 8.7
None of the drivers would let me select a higher resolution

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Doctor Octopus 
26/8/08 10:31:23 AM
Disciple
For your resolution problem, you need to go into the Catalyst Control Centre and change the modes that your are monitor will allow. I had a similar prob when I connected up my TV, but once you go into CCC then you can actually change the "allowed" resolutions under "Displays".

As to your low frame rate problem, Cryusis is nVidia favorable and even sucks on those cards. Unfortunately it's a badly optimized engine and doesn't really run well on any machine on Very High Settings. I haven't actually been able to test the game with my 4870, it won't even install.

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Dasa 
26/8/08 10:57:08 AM
Hero
Titan


if your using vista do you have sp1?
as for the resolution problem not sure but did you format and do a new windows install for the 4870? if not it may be worthwhile to make sure all nvdida drivers are gone

now for performance
to run crysis at such a high res with very high detail takes a huge amount of power a gtx280 or 4870x2 and 3.6ghz+ core2\quad cpu should get it playable

your 4870 should be able to get it running well in dx9 high detail but you will want to oc the cpu some more to keep fps over 30 as much as possible

as you can see here they all struggle in dx10 but if you go back one page you will see how it should do in dx9 which is just playable but 4870 will still have slow points
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/9225-palit-radeon-hd-4870-x2-2gb-vi


Edited by Dasa: 26/8/2008 10:58:50 AM

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quarkboy 
26/8/08 11:10:31 AM
Serf
Doc Oc:
the card is running @ 1920x1080; crysis is the only program that does not show that resolution as an option.
I have force TV detection on in CCC and all compatible resolutions are checked.

Dasa:
Yes I do have Vista 64 XP1; and it was fresh install with the ATi card so there are no Nvidia drivers in there.

Looking at the benches that you posted I don't think my system is to far off; I guess its just the nature of the beast. It probably averages around 30fps but can dip low during action.

Hopefully the ram will help a little.

I cant OC the CPU anymore; when my brother first setup the cpu he OC'ed it to 3.8ghz but set the vcore to 1.55!!!!!! He ran it for weeks like that untill I found out; the processor is just not stable at anything above 3.0ghz

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Doctor Octopus 
26/8/08 3:12:33 PM
Disciple
Hey mate I was going to suggest that you get the latest patch but I see that you've got them all.

It's quite possible that crysis is not supportive of that resolution, seeing as it is a 16:9 res and isn't as common as the other aspect ratios.

If it were me, I'd be contacting Crytek support right about now, telling them all the details, as well as everything else is getting the right res, and that you have the latest patch and windows is upto date (as these would be their default answer) and then ask them how to resolve the issue.

Cheers :-)

Edit - A quick google has found a simple fix:

From: http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis_8.html

Command Line

You can implement any console command, as well as a range of custom commands, via the command line. The way to do this is to right-click on your Crysis launch icon, select Properties, and one blank space after the last character in the Target box, add your command with a plus sign in front of it. For example, if you wish to disable motion blur via the command line, add +r_motionblur 0. You can add multiple commands, each separated by a single blank space and with a + sign in front of each of them, as shown below:

"C:\Program Files\Electronic Arts\Crytek\Crysis\Bin32\Crysis.exe" +r_motionblur 0 +r_width 800 +r_height 600

In the example above, motion blur is disabled, and the game resolution is set to 800x600 pixels at startup.
It makes no real difference whether you choose to implement command variables this way, or via the regular method of using a .cfg file as covered further above, although using a .cfg is easier when setting multiple commands.

More importantly, there are several command line-specific commands which can only be used this way. They are applied the same way as above, however they differ in that they have a - sign in front of them, instead of a + sign. At the moment I'm only aware of three useful command line-specific commands: -DX9 which forces DX9 mode, -DX10 which forces DX10 mode (in Vista only), and -Devmode which forces Developer Mode. I will add more as they come to light.

Again, these command line parameters work only if applied in the Crysis launch icon, whereas the rest of the command variables listed on the following pages can work via all three of the methods on this page.


I would use that if you can't be bothered going to EA or Crytek for help. :-)


Edited by Doctor Octopus: 26/8/2008 3:16:43 PM

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xguntherc 
26/8/08 7:31:18 PM
Overlord

When you hit the little arrow in Crysis and it drops down the Res menu.. while it is showing them all. there is actually an arrow again where you can Scroll down.. some people don't notice it. try that and maybe it's there and you didn't see it.

also It must be a bad driver or something of that sort. I have a GTX260, and it's "Said" to run just under your card. I run Crysis on 1680x1050 and I get a good 35-40fps most of the time. and never dips below 28 fps.

It could possibly be that the OC is only to 3.0 GHz, and it's slightly disabling you there.. but I ran it at my CPU's stock 2.67 at first before I OC'd the bad boy to 3.5 now I play at that. I didn't see much for improvements with a CPU OC thought. the game is more GPU intensive.

oh and one last thing.. Where in the hell can you find a QX6850 for only $250?????

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quarkboy 
26/8/08 10:45:12 PM
Serf
Ok thanks for the input guys.
By manually setting the .cfg file I was able to get crysis to boot at my desired resolution!

I'm definitely going to report back once my extra ram and CPU get in; but I don't think it will make much of a difference.

As far as where I got the processor:
intel.com/retailedge

The only thing is they have to verify your employment with a company that sells intel products :)

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Doctor Octopus 
26/8/08 10:50:57 PM
Master
Depends on what CPU you got - a higher clocked CPU "might" give an extra few FPS, however I believe Crysis is quad core optimized so a quad core CPU would have a bigger effect.

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Dasa 
26/8/08 10:56:33 PM
Hero
Titan


your 3ghz cpu is fairly good really and you wont gain much at all when you are running such a high res on a single 4870 you are very gpu limited

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Doctor Octopus 
27/8/08 8:44:04 AM
Master
Yeah, listen to the man above ^ :-)

Crysis will run like shit on most highend SLI rigs at that res, a CPU isn't going to give much benefit, TBH, you're better off spending your money on a 4850 or another 4870 -- remember that CrossfireX allows multi GPUs from the same series to be linked, as in 48x0 cards, or 38x0 cards, so a 4850 wouldn't be a bad idea. I also believe -- if you do run a CrossfireX setup -- you will see a noticable difference in FPS from 3.0GHz on the CPU to 3.6 - 3.8GHz.

Essentially a faster CPU wouldn't give you a higher FPS, but I "think" that you would because it'd be holding the 2 GPUs back.

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xguntherc 
27/8/08 9:06:07 AM
Overlord

Retailedge. I'm just getting ready to sign up for it..

Is it to late to get anything out of it, and earn points. be a rockstar or whatever. I'm just about to enter it. Are they doing it again in November??? and did you pay shipping on that QX?

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http://tinyurl.com/3DMark06


quarkboy 
27/8/08 9:12:45 AM
Serf
Ahhh thanks for the information.

Interesting that you can use any type of 48xx series card; but if I use a 4850 vs another 4870 or a 4870gx2 will anyone scale better with another?
If I were to spend the money on another video card I'd imagine for the extra $80 dollars the 4870 would be the way to go, correct?

Also I really wanted to upgrade to a quadcore CPU and for the QX6850 at 239USD I could not pass it up. I do allot of 3DSMAX, CS3 and adobe premiere usage so the quad core should help a good bit there.

Again thank you for the great information! this board is one of the best I've been to everyone is great thanks thanks thanks!

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Doctor Octopus 
27/8/08 9:17:12 AM
Master
Well, adding a 4850 will give an increase, adding a 4870 will give you more of an increase, and adding a 4870X2 will give you a major increase :-)

However, it also depends on the CPU you're running, like I said.

And where did you get that CPU from for so cheap, eXtreme intel CPUs normally go for 800+ from the 6 series...


Edited by Doctor Octopus: 27/8/2008 9:25:26 AM

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quarkboy 
27/8/08 9:44:10 AM
Serf
I got the processor straight from intel.
http://intel.com/retailedge (you have to sign up)

and it is in the 'Rewards' section under 'The Big Deal'

The only thing is you have to be employed with a company that is associated with intel.

So I will be running the QX6850 for sure I am just waiting upon it's arrival, I'm hoping that my CPU will not be a bottleneck for crossfire :)

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xguntherc 
27/8/08 10:47:26 AM
Overlord

I know how it works now. I'm waiting for verification.

My question is that it's already started. and all the people with 12,000 points and such have already ordered that CPU, or the Laptop. So me signing up this late, am I still going to be able to get anything. or are supplies gone. When did you get yours?

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http://tinyurl.com/3DMark06


quarkboy 
27/8/08 11:20:20 AM
Serf
I just signed up 2 weeks ago; and got 5500 points.
I faxed my verification on monday and got verified only hours later.
Went in and bought the processor on the 25th.

I believe they have plenty of stock; I've purchased from them back in the Pentium Dual Core days (04 maybe) and they still had stock through december so you shouldn't have any problem.

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quarkboy 
27/8/08 11:26:58 AM
Serf
Oh and it took maybe 2 hours max to get all 5500 points its really a joke; the hardest part was digging through their website and finding all the articles/tests to get that amount of points.

Also after you get verified make sure you spend some points on the drawing they have this month. They are giving away a skulltrail mobo and 2 QX9775s. That would be a sweet win; I wonder what the odds are like?

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rayzzz 
27/8/08 8:36:41 PM
Disciple
hi guys, i have a similar question quarkboy. i just got crysis and i wanted to ask what fps i should be getting on a 4870 with a q9300 and this
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=115_23&products_id=26655?(crysis on dx9 forced to veryhigh settings. and what 3d mark i should get? thankyou. this because of some weird thing with me where i always feel that my computer isnt running properly.XS

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