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Pantsmonkey 
25/8/08 6:22:20 PM
Titan

Hello folks I am about purchase a 780G and Phenom Quad processor and have been tossing around GPU ideas.

I was going to go for 2 4850 cards but as the 4870 is better would I be better off getting one 4870 and then another in 2 weeks when I let the cash reserves replenish some?

Will a 780g Plus 4870 with 4g of DDR run things happily for a couple of weeks or should I get 2 4850's?

If anyone has any suggestions for Crossfire cards or a good card replacement I am open to suggestions still shopping the Graphics hardware at this time.

Cheers

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mark84 
25/8/08 7:23:06 PM
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Going by your post you have between $320 and $400 to spend.

I'd say get one 4870, save up your money then get another. By then they'll likely be cheaper too.

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nesquick 
25/8/08 7:43:03 PM
Guru

A phenom will bottleneck a single HD4870 let alone crossfireX

Have you considered an intel solution such as an x48 board with an E0 stepping core2 Duo (45nm), i have an e8600 and my crossfireX setup is a tad behind a HD4870X2 by like ~5%


Edited by nesquick: 25/8/2008 7:44:02 PM

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Pantsmonkey 
25/8/08 7:58:52 PM
Titan

Quote by nesquick
A phenom will bottleneck a single HD4870 let alone crossfireX

Have you considered an intel solution such as an x48 board with an E0 stepping core2 Duo (45nm), i have an e8600 and my crossfireX setup is a tad behind a HD4870X2 by like ~5%


Edited by nesquick: 25/8/2008 7:44:02 PM



Really... Shite.

I just thought I had a pretty dandy kit semi settled and now I need to toss the processor which I like (AMD fan). The QC 9550 Phenom is not good? Can this bottleneck business be fixed or should I just chuck in the quadcore idea and get a dual core? Will a dual core remove bottleneck issue?

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nesquick 
25/8/08 8:25:25 PM
Guru

current phenoms leave much to be desired especially lower clocked models such as the 9550, if you really must have amd wait until their 45nm offerings at the end of the year :)

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osama_bin_athlon 
25/8/08 8:28:36 PM
Hero
Immortal


no, no, no!
get something like an E8400, an E8500, or, if you really feel you must go quad core, a Q9450, 4G of 1066Mhz RAM, and a X38 mobo (something like a X38-DS4) if you want to crossfire the 4870's
;)
fanbois are silly creatures, get whatever is the best bang for buck at the time.
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Cpt. Lock 
25/8/08 11:32:33 PM
Banned

fuckin hell yes there is a huge amount of intel goodness but there is something entirely wrong with this post, a Phenom 9850 is as good as a Q6600, and the Phenom 9950 is about as good as a q6700 the current top of the line Phenoms are equally as good as current 65nm intel quads

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Pantsmonkey 
25/8/08 11:58:37 PM
Titan

Okay then here is my question I will lay it out as I really have no idea what I need to get here!

I have a budget of around $2500 but I want a nice 24 inch HD LCD in that or not much over it if possible.

I would like to be able to run Crysis at a pretty high res at a reasonable clip in DX10 I have been playing quite a bit of that on a 1 year old quad core with 4 gig and it seems to run fine on that!

I will be using XP Vista 64 Ultra I have a copy of that sorted (legally) I have become a big fan of it recently and will be using it to run Media Center into a decent sized TV (LCD in the same room in the future) I would also like a blu ray player because it rocks and is much cheaper option than dedicated player.

I need a PSU Case and 4G of DDR2 Ram and a 500G HDD easily expandable later. G

Bang for buck is what I am after

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nesquick 
26/8/08 8:04:08 AM
Guru

screen: benq g2400w
cpu: intel e8600
ram: 2x2gb 800mhz generic
case antec p182b
psu corsair hx620
gfx 2x hd4870 in crossfire (this will imo run quieter than the the X2 model)
hdd: WD 640gb
mobo: gigabyte x48ds4
disc drives: pioneer 20xsata dvdrw drive + pioneer bluray drive

that should come to around $2500, if you have some left over change invest in some good cpu and gpu cooling like the noctua u9b or the thermalright ultra 120ext with scyth slip stream 1200rpm fan

oh and grab some cheap hdmi cables as the hd4870 has hdmi out with sound as standard and comes with a dongle for it.


Edited by nesquick: 26/8/2008 08:05:20 AM

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Baner86 
26/8/08 9:04:29 AM
Hero
Champion


?

The HD4870X2's fan regulation runs perfectly right out of the box with the latest catalysts.

The HD4870X2 is tonnes quieter than 2x HD4870's and even a single HD4870 when the fan control was fucked.

Oh. Pantsmonkey, I noticed you said you wanted to run Crysis.

In that case, your better value video card would actually be a GTX280.

$540 from MSY for Gigabyte/MSI/ASUS GTX280's.

Sure peeps...take a shit on me for recommending that but honestly. If Crysis is a game that is important to you a GTX280 will offer better value than anything ATI has.

Problem is your GTX280 will get owned in every other game...But it's owned running at very high FPS anyway. ie. All the cards run every game except Crysis DAMN fast. The GTX280 runs Crysis very well for a good price. But it runs the other games significantly "less fast" than a HD4870X2 or crossfired HD4870's.

Hope that made sense.

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nesquick 
26/8/08 9:39:06 AM
Guru

baner i am suggesting the 2 4870's for a few reasons

1. you always have a backup card if something goes wrong
2. you can run 4 monitors off them when not in cf
3. from what reviews I have seen the gpu's on the HD4870x2 get into the 90's when under load whereas the gpu in my card never gets over 80c and sits at 57ish idle normally without the fan mod on cat8.8

but it all comes down to personal preference, me i just like to know i have a backup card in case the worst happens :)

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Pantsmonkey 
26/8/08 10:13:16 AM
Titan

Cheers guys much appreciated I am madly searching these new bit.

nesquick if I have a X2 card and it shits itself it will be swapped under warranty I can survive a week or two if I need to wait for a replacement if I get better performance than 2 standalone.

I dont need 4 monitors at most I will use 2 with 1 as a TV out.

When you say that a 4870x2 (single card) wont run crysis very well how poorly will it run? Will I hate it and it look terrible on a brand new rig? I am also keen for Vegas 2, Bioshock, Grid, Dirt, POP 3... If Crysis will run okay then I will settle for nice gameplay from everything else.

I thought I might get a fairly grunty PC for my $ but everything except crysis will keep me happy.

I am guessing 1 4870 will make crysis through up on me :(

I am off to investigate the intel e8600

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nesquick 
26/8/08 11:05:24 AM
Guru

expect around 50fps with like 1920x1200 and all settings high but no AA

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Doctor Octopus 
26/8/08 3:57:10 PM
Disciple
You can actually run 4 monitors when it "is" in crossfire, as of the 8.3 drivers. nVidia - not so lucky yet.

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Pantsmonkey 
26/8/08 4:23:11 PM
Titan

Corsair HX-620 ATX Power Supply $147.29
Intel ATX E8600 CORE 2 DUO/3.33GHz $345.00
Western Digital 640G SATAII 7200 rpm HDD $103.00
Benq G2400W 24 Lcd Mon.D-sub Dvi-D HDMI 5ms $396.55
ATI HD 4870X2 $649.00
Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU $195.00
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh $88.00
Logitech Cordless MX Revolution Laser Mouse $83.00
Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 S775 X48 $242.00
G.Skill DDR2 4G(2x2G)PC6400 800Mhz Heatspreader $105.00
Pioneer DVR-216BK 20x Dual Black OEM with software - SATA $45.00
Pioneer BDC-S02BK Blu-Ray Combo Drive SATA, Black Retail $173.00


Total $2570 ish

Pretty happy with that actually...

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Baner86 
26/8/08 4:41:15 PM
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Champion


Heh you're absolutely right nesquick.

I myself would actually have preferred 2x HD4870's but it would have cost me more overall because of a new PSU for my other system and the 2 HD4870's costing a bit more overall than a HD4870X2.

I'd prefer the 4870's because like I said, even from the 8800GTX level cards, every damn game runs fuking fast except for Crysis (we can argue for hours about why that is so but I cbf :P).

A single 4870 would be great for anyone's needs because fast is fast and faser really isn't that noticable...

Having Crossfire gives you "faster" but also the utility of maybe later, putting it into another computer when you get sick and tired of carrying such a large e-peen between your legs :)

You have more options with 2x HD4870's so I agree it's a great idea.

I was just making the point that the HD4870X2 fan speed adjustment is perfect out of the box and is actually as quiet as a single 4870 and certainly quieter than 2 :)

We're all helping out so it's all good.

Yo Pantsmonkey. That system you posted looks great. If it were me I'd get maybe a 700W PSU but Corsair or similairly good brand.

That PSU WILL be able to handle that system but you will be cutting it mighty close. Just think down the line you might want to add a few hard drives and some fans and suddenly you MIGHT find your computer won't power on.

Just a thought.

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E6600//P5B Deluxe WiFi-AP//2x1GB G.Skill DDR2-533//2x Palit 2900XT (Crossfire)

A64 4400+ x2//A8N-Sli Premium//2x1GB G.Skill DDR-400//2x XFX 8800GT (Sli)

emccat 
26/8/08 4:56:19 PM
Serf
hey my 9550 ran pretty smoothly (until i broke a pin of when removing heat sink taking all the necessary precautions to install a L.C.S). now im stuck with a crappy-ish ATHLON 64X2 5000+ and have to wait for the 45NM processors to come out ( and i do have a 45nm supportive motherboard)

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nesquick 
26/8/08 5:00:38 PM
Guru

Quote by Pantsmonkey
Corsair HX-620 ATX Power Supply $147.29
Intel ATX E8600 CORE 2 DUO/3.33GHz $345.00
Western Digital 640G SATAII 7200 rpm HDD $103.00
Benq G2400W 24 Lcd Mon.D-sub Dvi-D HDMI 5ms $396.55
ATI HD 4870X2 $649.00
Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU $195.00
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh $88.00
Logitech Cordless MX Revolution Laser Mouse $83.00
Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 S775 X48 $242.00
G.Skill DDR2 4G(2x2G)PC6400 800Mhz Heatspreader $105.00
Pioneer DVR-216BK 20x Dual Black OEM with software - SATA $45.00
Pioneer BDC-S02BK Blu-Ray Combo Drive SATA, Black Retail $173.00


Total $2570 ish

Pretty happy with that actually...


Good to hear your happy with what i suggested :) also good to see my estimation skills are still relatively sharp :P

can anyone confirm though a HD4870X2 will fit in the p182 case as by this photo it looks a very tight squeeze http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews_2007/Antec182/IMG_2401.JPG


Edited by nesquick: 26/8/2008 5:05:45 PM

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Baner86 
26/8/08 5:27:13 PM
Hero
Champion


AFAIK the HD4870X2 will fit in the P180 series of Antec cases but you have to remove the removable hard drive bay keeping the whole area behind the middle fan clear.

You lose 3 possible hard drives from that :(

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E6600//P5B Deluxe WiFi-AP//2x1GB G.Skill DDR2-533//2x Palit 2900XT (Crossfire)

A64 4400+ x2//A8N-Sli Premium//2x1GB G.Skill DDR-400//2x XFX 8800GT (Sli)

nesquick 
26/8/08 5:32:47 PM
Guru

hmm if thats a problem pants monkey check out the CM690/RC690 as its about half the price but has some good features such as cable management and is a bit more roomy.

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