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Which 9800GTX+?
Psychosmurf 
28/8/08 1:11:35 PM
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Quote by Scootsie
The 9800GT would be a good choice, it'll still be greatly limited by your CPU, but will easily handle high resolutions, FSAA etc. for far less than a 9800GTX+. Should also run a bit cooler and quieter than the GTX+.



I don't mind paying the price of a 9800GTX+, or even equivelent Radeon, but If I'm forking out the necessary folding stuff for a GOOD power supply to suit, that is where costs start to skyrocket. Like anything else it's easy to turn an upgrade into a new system, and I value my plumbing more than a new PC.....I've been married for 25 years.....what's hers is hers, and what's mine is hers :)

ITSDirect have the Gainward 9800GT 'Golden Sample' edition with 1GB DDR3 for $232 + post. This is the overclocked version @ 650/1900.

http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=48&Product_ID=3313&a

Considering the overclock and 1Gb DDR3 this would be a good choice at the price. I'm also looking at a new PSU, just to make sure, and possibly a 5200+ (2x1Mb L2 Cache) to be certain about that bottle neck.

The guys at ITSDirect are very helpful, and seem above board, with advice on products.


Edited by Psychosmurf: 28/8/2008 1:22:06 PM

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Scootsie 
28/8/08 8:45:48 PM
Master

It's all a matter of balance, ideally you want all the parts in your pc to be the same speed otherwise your faster components will only be dragged down.

A good quality PSU's always a sound investment, cheap ones can cause all sorts of odd instabilities in a system.

Any particular reason why you're not keen on the Galaxy branded 9800GT? I know Galaxy isn't one of the big brand names, but apart from the sticker on the heatsink and game bundle most graphics cards these days just follow the reference design, so you're better off saving the price difference.

I wouldn't pay the extra for the Gainward 9800GT "Golden Sample". The benefit of having 1GB of video memory is very debatable, especially on a midrange card (You'd mainly want it if you were running at ridiculously high resolutions). Likewise, the overclock on it is likely to make no more than a few percent difference, probably no difference at all unless you pair it with a suitably fast CPU.

The 5200+ is still a very outdated CPU, I can see you're trying to save money by sticking to parts you already own, but sometimes you can spend more money on an outdated system than it's worth.

If you intend to stick with your system in it's current state, $150 on the Galaxy 9800GT should give you plenty of bang for your buck. If you want something more, I suggest holding off and saving your money until you can refresh more of your parts.

Hope this helps :-)

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SceptreCore 
28/8/08 9:04:27 PM
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Quote by Psychosmurf
Quote by SceptreCore
For what you play, you'd be better off with this the 8500GT from PC Case Gear.


Sorry mate, but....eeeewwwww.Because I don't play CoH, or Crysis, doesn't mean I should settle for average graphics :)

I'm a UT fan and have been considering picking up UT3, as it's been a while since I've played a FPS. I think Doom3 was the last one.


That gigabyte 8500GT plays COD4 pretty nicely, that's with a 4400+ though. Still this card will do what you want it to do, be compliant with your CPU, and not cost you an arm and a leg.

If you wanted to play really good games, then yeah get a 9800GT, but you don't, you play games that have a bit more resource hogging then the Sims2. So your just wasting your money. Is it e-peen that drives your choice... or logic?

Quote by Psychosmurf
I'm also looking at a new PSU, just to make sure, and possibly a 5200+ (2x1Mb L2 Cache) to be certain about that bottle neck.


1. What PSU do you have?
2. The 5200+ is 2x512k L2 Cache


Edited by SceptreCore: 28/8/2008 09:13:14 PM

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xguntherc 
28/8/08 9:07:06 PM
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+1 to scootsie. I think the 9800GT would suit you just fine for now.

or as stated before. if going to get the 9800GT. and not the GTX. might as well get a 8800 GT. they are cheaper and the same card.

choices are so hard, and so many huh. I hated it. but loved it at the same time. :)

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Scootsie 
28/8/08 10:00:39 PM
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Quote by xguntherc
or as stated before. if going to get the 9800GT. and not the GTX. might as well get a 8800 GT. they are cheaper and the same card.



Actually I tend to find the opposite, 8800GT's are slightly more expensive than the 9800GT. Probably because the 9800GT's on a smaller process, so it's cheaper for Nvidia to make the chips.

Either way, they're both almost identical chips as you stated, so whatever you can get the best deal on is the way to go (You've got a far bigger choice brand wise with the 8800GT though if that's your thing).

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Aussie Infidel 
1/9/08 3:26:56 PM
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mate ive got a inno3d 9800gtx(stock speeds) on a pcie 1.0 motherboard and its ace so whichever one you get its gona perform well, just make sure your case has good cooling cause she runs a little warm

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Psychosmurf 
2/9/08 7:36:24 PM
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I'm gonna throw something wild & crazy at you and see what I get back.

This is just one of those "because I can" scenarios..the sort of thing we used to do around here when we all wore animal skins and just grunted at one another.

I am leaning toward a C2D and grabbing a motherboard (nothing shocking there despite thinking AMD to keep costs down). The thing is the mobo I'm looking at has some wonderful extras (price was first thing that got my attention), like CrossfireX dual PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots.

Now, here's the "because I can" part.

2 x HD3870s for just under $350.

Okay, when you pick yourself up off the floor consider this....there is absolutely NO chance of picking up a HD4850 now and getting a second one later. The reason I like the board is that, apart from it's many features it is $125 and handles the latest run of Intel processors.

I'm talking about the Foxconn P45A-S and mating it with an Intel E8200 and 2Gb of either DDR2 800 or DDR2 1066. Most of the boards I've looked at in my price range have crap I will NEVER use (like DDR & DDR2 slots...C'mon!

I know I could just grab a HD4850, but the temptation to run two HIS ATI Radeon 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo 512mb cards in CrossfireX is pretty tempting, even if it is strecthing the budget a bit.

I've been looking at so many different options from both ATI and nVidia, whilst I wait for my tax cheque, and I was trying to keep the price down, but hmmmm.

DISCLAIMER: 4870 and equivelent nVidia cards are not an option.



Edited by Psychosmurf: 2/9/2008 07:38:49 PM

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SceptreCore 
2/9/08 8:07:33 PM
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Quote by Psychosmurf
I'm gonna throw something wild & crazy at you and see what I get back.

This is just one of those "because I can" scenarios..the sort of thing we used to do around here when we all wore animal skins and just grunted at one another.

I am leaning toward a C2D and grabbing a motherboard (nothing shocking there despite thinking AMD to keep costs down). The thing is the mobo I'm looking at has some wonderful extras (price was first thing that got my attention), like CrossfireX dual PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots.

Now, here's the "because I can" part.

2 x HD3870s for just under $350.

Okay, when you pick yourself up off the floor consider this....there is absolutely NO chance of picking up a HD4850 now and getting a second one later. The reason I like the board is that, apart from it's many features it is $125 and handles the latest run of Intel processors.

I'm talking about the Foxconn P45A-S and mating it with an Intel E8200 and 2Gb of either DDR2 800 or DDR2 1066. Most of the boards I've looked at in my price range have crap I will NEVER use (like DDR & DDR2 slots...C'mon!

I know I could just grab a HD4850, but the temptation to run two HIS ATI Radeon 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo 512mb cards in CrossfireX is pretty tempting, even if it is strecthing the budget a bit.

I've been looking at so many different options from both ATI and nVidia, whilst I wait for my tax cheque, and I was trying to keep the price down, but hmmmm.

DISCLAIMER: 4870 and equivelent nVidia cards are not an option.



Edited by Psychosmurf: 2/9/2008 07:38:49 PM


I think you need to work out your priorities.

Seriously... now that you have come to this cross-road, I reckon save up your dosh, and when your ready, start a build thread. there is no point buying now when undecided. Plus the 3870's are you kidding me? especially for a with an extra 100 bucks you could get a 4850 Xfire rig that'll smoke it.

Listen to my wisdom... wait, save up cash, and build a new rig!

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Psychosmurf 
2/9/08 10:31:26 PM
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No sense of humour whatsover.

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SceptreCore 
3/9/08 12:00:11 AM
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Quote by Psychosmurf
No sense of humour whatsover.



I resent that!

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Psychosmurf 
3/9/08 12:14:20 AM
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LOL....I'm pretty sure it will be the HIS 4850 IceQ4 Turbo I go with. I would like to find someone who sells the TurboX version, but no luck so far.

I've run radeons for years and always preferred them...at least since about 2001, but with upgrading other stuff I hadn't counted on anything more expensive than the 4850 is unlikely.

I'm going for a full rebuild with mobo, CPU, and RAM as stated above, and a Corsair 520 modulat PSU.

Mind you, performance aside, 2 of those 3870s would look very cool.....just a shame I'm 47 with a family to support and can't afford two 4850s. :)

Thanks for the input.

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Scootsie 
3/9/08 6:17:16 PM
Master

Why dual 3870's? Keep in mind that running multiple GPU's is going to output a lot of heat into your case. Personally I think you'd be better off buying a HD4870 over them, same price but all nice and tidy in one card (I would imagine the 4870 would be quicker but I haven't seen benches on a CF 3870 system).

If you can afford it, a slightly faster CPU would be better. An E8400 should be considerably quicker than the E8200 for not much more money.

If your budget doesn't stretch that far, perhaps a HD4850 paired with the E8200 would be a better match.

If you're seriously considering this, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a bit of a checklist of the games you play (or intend to play) and see how quick you need your machine to play them. All that shiny silicon may be very tempting, but you'll regret it in a months time if you drop a fortune on the gear and don't play any games that use it.

The Corsair PSU's a good choice, I'm running a HX620 myself, I believe they're actually manufactured by Seasonic.

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SceptreCore 
3/9/08 7:53:12 PM
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Quote by Psychosmurf
I'm going for a full rebuild with mobo, CPU, and RAM as stated above, and a Corsair 520 modulat PSU.


For God's Sake!!!

Give us a budget, and we will put together a nice little system for you, one that won't break the bank.. and will make you happy so not to affect the family budget.

PLEASE!

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