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Which 9800GTX+?
Psychosmurf 
24/8/08 12:39:12 PM
Guru

Okay, I know, the card has been discussed to death, bagged by those with the money to get a 4870...blah, blah.

All I'm lookin' for is some input from current, or previous, owners of this model.

I'm, running an Ausus A8N-VM CSM mobo (nForce chipset) with a 3500+, and 2Gb DDR400. A mate is passing me his 3800+ CPU(don't know which core until it gets here as I don't think he knows), which I may put in. This is a game only box....it does nothing else, not even email (I have plenty of other boxes for other things), as it cost me zero dollars.

The downside of this mobo is that it has PCI-E x16, so won't get the full benefit of the new performance cards with PCI-E 2.0, however will still be a good gaming box.

I don't actually play a lot of games, and pretty much mainly race in rFactor, and very occasional UT (in one form or another), and the odd bit of C&C Generals.

I haven't run nVidia cards since about 2001, or something, when the 9700Pro came out, and until recently was running an X800 XT. I fitted a 7300GS temporarily until I get a 'REAL' PCI-E card to fill the slot.

I've been looking at a few brands of the 9800GTX+ and wondered who was using what around here.

The Asus @ $273:
http://au.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=656&l4=0&model=2360&modelmenu=1

The Leadtek @ $265:
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/3d_graphic/specification.asp?pronameid=430&lineid=1&act=2

The XFX @ $309:
http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/products/graphiccards/9series/9800GTX+.aspx

Specs are pretty much the same on each, except the Asus rounds out the core clock speed to 740, whilst the other two are 738, and all are good reliable, high performing cards.

Considering the mobo is an Asus, with an nForce chipset, maybe I'll continue the trend.

EDIT: Prices are umart 'walk in' retail, not online, as I have one outlet near work, and one near home.


Edited by Psychosmurf: 24/8/2008 12:44:38 PM

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Tech-Kid 
24/8/08 12:42:32 PM
Champion
No seriously, I'd spend under $200 for the HD4850.

The 9800GTX is a GOOD card, but it doesn't provide the performance or value for money of the 4850.

But if you really want it, it's still a strong performer.

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Psychosmurf 
24/8/08 12:52:43 PM
Guru

I know what you're saying, and I've read all (or as many as I could find) the benchmarks and reviews, including in the latest Atomic mag, but as I'm not a serious gamer, the extra dollars can be better spent elsewhere. Either way, I'm pretty much just looking for input on whether I should concentrate on one brand or another.


Edited by Psychosmurf: 24/8/2008 1:10:09 PM

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xguntherc 
24/8/08 1:30:52 PM
Overlord

The 9800GTX+ is better than the 4850.. so I'd get the 9800GTX+.
also on the brands, the ONLY choice would be the XFX. They have a lifetime warranty. and they are ok with overclocking and such. ASUS and Leadtek wont replace it if you kill it overclocking or changing the cooler, but XFX will, they encourage enthusiasts to play with the cards.. I'd for sure get the XFX. if your choice is 9800+ or 4850 get the +. but if you can afford it. it's worth it to get the 4870. but if you can't afford it. the + is right where you want it. and it can be easily OC'd to 820-830 MHz. I'd go 800 and be happy tho so you don't push it to much!

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Psychosmurf 
24/8/08 1:37:08 PM
Guru

Another consideration is PSU. It's likely I'll have to pick up a 450 or 500 watt unit, as I'm pretty sure the one in the case won't be any more than a 350/400 watt item (haven't bothered to look yet). From what I can see the 9800GTX+ also uses less power and makes less noise than the 4870.

EDIT: Aah, screw it, for an an extra $60 that HD4870 from Sapphire is a horny card...decisions, decisions....LOL!.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=245

http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=2

UPDATE: Gamedude has this card for $328, and I live 15 minutes down the M1....Woohoo. That's only $18 more than I was going to pay for the XFX 9800GTX+ at Umart.



Edited by Psychosmurf: 24/8/2008 3:42:14 PM

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xguntherc 
24/8/08 4:03:33 PM
Overlord

Well.. if you can afford it. the 4870 is for sure a better card. and you WILL be happy with it. Change the fan settings.

Oh and if you want a new PSU I'd ge the Corsair HX620. they are one of the best. or get there 750 if you wanna make sure you'll have enough for future cards or CF with that 4870. or SLI with the GTX+

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Psychosmurf 
24/8/08 5:01:43 PM
Guru

I won't be going CF or SLi, only interested in running the single card solution mate.

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index680i 
25/8/08 8:48:53 AM
Guru

XFX are the factory overclocking distributor, ASUS or Gigabyte is the way to go. Apparently the Leadtek fans don't work as effectively. "Just" what the review boards are saying ;)

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aphexone 
26/8/08 2:06:06 PM
Serf
I've got the ASUS 9800GTX+ in my 780i board and couldn't be happier, performs really well, my GF has the 4850 in her machine and my 9800 just pulls ahead.

So go the 9800 for sure.

EDIT:

An depending on where you are I found the ASUS 9800GTX+ in Syd for ~$238. Check CCPU, it's basically across the road from Fluidtek in Carlingford.



Edited by aphexone: 26/8/2008 2:26:45 PM

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Psychosmurf 
26/8/08 8:52:12 PM
Guru

I'm on the Gold Coast, so have options here, like 2 Umart outlets close to work & home, as well as Gamedude 15 minutes up the road.

I was pretty settled on the 9800GTX+ until I noticed the HD4870 for $328 at Gamedude. However, What bothers me about it is the temps and fan noise under load. I noticed also that the Powercolor 4870 is clocked at 800, rather than the 750 of the other brands. In addition the Powercolor cooling system is, so I've read, very good.

I've run Radeons for 7 years, and the 9700Pro I bought at first release (about 2001 I think) still goes well and it's a Powercolor, so would be happy to go that way again.

On the other hand a family tragedy, on Friday afternoon, will tighten up available funds, so this puts me back on the 9800GTX+ side of things, as I can pick up a 500w PSU and still only spend what I would have on the 4870......it's enough to make your head explode.

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nesquick 
26/8/08 9:39:39 PM
Guru

whatever you do don't buy from gamedude

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Psychosmurf 
26/8/08 10:23:41 PM
Guru

Been there, done that, but will if I have to, as I am aware that they don't charge those price AND give good after sales service.

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xguntherc 
27/8/08 9:12:08 AM
Overlord

grab a eVGA, or XFX then if going 9800GTX+

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Psychosmurf 
27/8/08 10:49:54 AM
Guru

Thanx for the input guys. I know I'm going back and forth on this, but like everyone else I would love to go the HD4870, but feel costwise I will end up with the 9800GTX+, though it's not like this is such a bad thing :)

I'm not a serious gamer, and only have 2 or 3 that I get into, so the GTX+ should be more than enough to keep me happy, if I end up going that way....I'll update when I've made my purchase.

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Dasa 
27/8/08 11:23:45 AM
Hero
Titan


take a look at some of the cards here
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=12601&m=157289&p=0#msg-157289
the review shows the overclocked 4850 beating the 9800gtx+ in most tests just a shame its not in english

the 4870 can be had for very close to the price of the xfx 9800gtx+ so if your considering spending that much...

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Scootsie 
27/8/08 9:44:15 PM
Master

You're looking at pairing a 9800GTX+ or HD4870 with a 3800+ at best? If you do that the CPU is going to massively bottleneck the graphics card.

I'd strongly suggest you buy a cheaper card (9800GT's can be had for as little as ~$150) or seriously consider a full system upgrade. Only spend ~$300 on the card if you're intending on pairing it with a far quicker CPU in the near future. No point in having the latest graphics card when your CPU can't keep up.

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Rybags 
27/8/08 10:57:19 PM
Hero
Immortal


^ What he said.

I've got a 9800GT and it ran significantly better on my C2D E6420 when overclocked.

So, better card, much slower CPU (in your case) means you won't be getting the most out of it.

Then again, if you run hires and multisampling and all the shit, that equation becomes almost meaningless.

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SceptreCore 
27/8/08 11:13:34 PM
Guru

For what you play, you'd be better off with this the 8500GT from PC Case Gear.

https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_533&products_id


Edited by SceptreCore: 27/8/2008 11:15:23 PM

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Psychosmurf 
28/8/08 6:34:00 AM
Guru

Quote by SceptreCore
For what you play, you'd be better off with this the 8500GT from PC Case Gear.


Sorry mate, but....eeeewwwww.Because I don't play CoH, or Crysis, doesn't mean I should settle for average graphics :)

I'm a UT fan and have been considering picking up UT3, as it's been a while since I've played a FPS. I think Doom3 was the last one.

How ya been Rybags....long time between drinks mate. I don't get around here much these days, just the occasional drop in to catch up on how the place has changed.


Edited by Psychosmurf: 28/8/2008 06:36:45 AM

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Scootsie 
28/8/08 10:05:10 AM
Master

The 9800GT would be a good choice, it'll still be greatly limited by your CPU, but will easily handle high resolutions, FSAA etc. for far less than a 9800GTX+. Should also run a bit cooler and quieter than the GTX+.

http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_Details.asp?id=199&class1=1&class2=
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=9800gt

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