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GTX 200 Series 55nm Cards.
layzi 
28/8/08 8:30:48 AM
Apprentice
sceptre theres no chance theyll be going 40nm for a while yet as theyre still ramping 55nm atm, i have no doubt that the hit they took from the 4800 series have slowed their production down quite abit and thats also the reason for these delays.

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Baner86 
28/8/08 9:57:53 AM
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Jen-Hsung Hwang or whatever the name is of Nvidia's CEO has explicitly stated they didn't expect as good competition from Ati at this point.

That's reasonable enough looking at Ati's record since the 2900XT days and the utter dominance of the 8800GTX for freaking YEARS.

Just goes to show you should NEVER sit on your ass feeling superior and I've no doubt they will learn from that.

He also stated they have to take some time and thought trying to get rid of the last of the 65nm stock now that people have generally gone off Nvidia for this round of releases...hence the huge GTX280 price drops.

As I see it, the 9800GTX was dead in the water as soon as it was released, whilst the 9800GTX+ although still a lost cause was a reasonable enough release so Nvidia can actually test it's 55nm manufacturing process before diving in at the high-end at 55nm. Hopefully Nvidia succeeds at selling off the last of the 65nm stuff so they can focus on developing new product again.

It might not seem like it with me owning mostly Ati products, but personally, I prefer when Nvidia owns the performance crown but not the price/performance crown which Ati traditionally owns. It seems that ALL compnaies work harder and come out with better product in this sort of situation forcing the overall prices of all video cards down.

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SceptreCore 
28/8/08 5:25:39 PM
Guru

Well it just seems that this time ATI worked a little harder, and didn't want the price/performance crown anymore!

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nesquick 
28/8/08 5:42:00 PM
Guru

this same thing happened when amd rested on its laurels and has been happening throughout history time and time again so its no surprise to me that the graphics department of amd got its act together and developed a kick ass gpu, maybe that means the cpu division of amd is also getting its act together? only time will tell.

having said that i agree with what sceptre has been saying about them just putting 100% into their next core design as i think much like the original r600 core gt200 was a bit of a flop considering all the rumors and hype before its release (same kind of with the r600)


Edited by nesquick: 28/8/2008 05:42:42 PM

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SceptreCore 
28/8/08 5:48:37 PM
Guru

Quote by nesquick
this same thing happened when amd rested on its laurels and has been happening throughout history time and time again so its no surprise to me that the graphics department of amd got its act together and developed a kick ass gpu, maybe that means the cpu division of amd is also getting its act together? only time will tell.

having said that i agree with what sceptre has been saying about them just putting 100% into their next core design as i think much like the original r600 core gt200 was a bit of a flop considering all the rumors and hype before its release (same kind of with the r600)


Edited by nesquick: 28/8/2008 05:42:42 PM

I honestly feel they could afford to skip a generation!

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Baner86 
28/8/08 5:53:58 PM
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Quote by SceptreCore
Well it just seems that this time ATI worked a little harder, and didn't want the price/performance crown anymore!



You reckon?

AFAIK the 48XX series still use the same basic technology as the 38xx series (which was essentially the same as the 29XX) series) except with the addition of GDDR5 RAM AND the "benefit of hindsight" (always a good ingredient) :P

I reckon it's more of a case where Nvidia didn't work as hard on the back of the formidable 8800GTX while ATI simply developed their existing technology to within a millimetre of it's life. Which they bloody well had to do.

If you think about it, the only company with ANYTHING close to a "new design" is Nvidia with their core redesign (really just a physical multiplication of the 8800GTX core), although they have stayed at the 65nm manufacturing process.

Oh yeah, and by my getting owned in the other thread didn't we already establish that Tri-Sli currently holds the performance crown, I'd say due to that Ati is still running the price/performance line :)


Edited by Baner86: 28/8/2008 5:55:52 PM

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SceptreCore 
28/8/08 6:10:53 PM
Guru

Didn't sond like it the way you have put it here: " I prefer when Nvidia owns the performance crown but not the price/performance crown which Ati traditionally owns. It seems that ALL compnaies work harder and come out with better product in this sort of situation forcing the overall prices of all video cards down."

It sounds like your saying that ATI hold the performance crown, when taken into consideration in the single GPU performance (which is primarily what most people use, yourself in coulded) they do.

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nesquick 
28/8/08 6:13:17 PM
Guru

I think being based off the r600 core is not a bad thing for the rv770 as like you said baner they have worked very hard to make sure they have that core operating at maximum efficiency and ati certainly have made some serious changes for the better over rv670 and r600 core designs.
also to my knowledge no one has run 2 HD4870x2's yet using ln2 i would say it will hapen at that Singapore ocing contest coming up soon :)

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xguntherc 
28/8/08 8:10:18 PM
Overlord

hmmmm hmmm hmmm.. So many questions. Either way Nvidia needs to get there act together a little bit. and bring something out within the next 2 months or so.

and nes. you could be right, they possibly could have released GTX200 series 55nm card info just to get people talking to try and Take away from the 4870x2 release.. but i don't think it helped them much at all if thats what they did.

I'm just a sitting back. I want them to release something else so I can yet again get another cheap 260

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nesquick 
28/8/08 10:34:24 PM
Guru

well xguntherc its a very complicated and costly thing to swap over to 55nm from 65nm so don't hold your breath for anything as nvidia may be having problems getting significant yields or trouble getting the die shrunk enough to make it worth the investment in 55nm gt200's, we can only guess at this stage though but i am rather surprised nvision 08 had no 55nm gt200 news as like i said even if they had something semi good they would be promoting the hell out of it at that event so something must either be really really really good or at the oposite end of the scale for them to do that.


Edited by nesquick: 28/8/2008 10:35:05 PM

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xguntherc 
29/8/08 5:42:26 AM
Overlord

ya, sounds about right. Ya know it's a costly thing to do.. ya i see your point with that they should have said something at nvision. but maybe they are just holdin out a little longer ofr ATI to release the 4850x2. then after that. they will drop cards. But never know. obviously they've been able to get to 55nm and make it work. the 9800GTX+ but doing that on a big ass chip like the GTX200's. that might be another story. what amazes me, is the size of the die on the GTX, and the TINY size of the Die on the 4800 series. even with the 55nm shrink of GTX200 there die is still bigger than ATI's. why are there's so small, yet so powerful. Is that mainly because of what GDDR5 brings to the table?

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nesquick 
29/8/08 8:22:47 AM
Guru

it is just a very well designed gpu xguntherc, the original r600 core was 90nm and rather large so the jump to 55nm bypassed the 65nm size taking the gpu size shrink down quiet a lot.

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xguntherc 
29/8/08 10:09:23 AM
Overlord

ya i know. They did a great job on it. so much more efficient in that area than Nvidia.

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nesquick 
29/8/08 10:52:04 AM
Guru

it has taken them 2 revisions to get it really efficient though.

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Baner86 
29/8/08 11:10:00 AM
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Nah Sceptrecore, I meant that in the other thread we established that Nvidia hold's the performance crown...29XXX 3dMarks versus 24XXX as ATI's closest.

You pay a premium for Tri Sli, but goddamn the performance is up there.

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