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GTX 200 Series 55nm Cards.
xguntherc 
24/8/08 4:14:21 PM
Overlord

Ya we know they are sad right now, and will try anything to win the hearts of computer enthusiasts back. and it's more than a 55nm die, and some tweaks and a better cooler. They are adding GDDR5, thats the big thing.. I know they wanna release something amazing. Wish them luck.

Look at it this way. the GTX200 series are better than the 4000 series.. "If" the 4000 series only had GDDR3. but they stepped it up this year and last and added GDDR5. the 200 series has 448-bit, and 512-bit Memory interfaces.. That big difference is what allows there GDDR3 to be almost as good as ATI's GDDR5. so in all reality. If they lower to the 55nm die, AND get GDDR5, and manage to keep simlar Memory interfaces. that would be a big difference over ATI's 256 bit interface. and There GDDR5 would be operating much better than ATI's. although I don't think they can get GDDR5 that high. But thats probably along the lines of what they are trying to do.

We wont know til we know.
and if they were releasing August 28th. We'd be hearing things about them. Unless it's just a Sudden Drop. but I doubt that.
We will have to wait and see.

And hopefully they dont' screw themselves AGAIN, and try and charge to much for this new card. but I bet they will


Edited by xguntherc: 24/8/2008 4:14:50 PM

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SceptreCore 
24/8/08 6:36:27 PM
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Quote by lukey1990
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If they make it larger, and shrink the die, and then develop a new cooler, then they may be able to add more cores to it to make it a match.



If Nvidia managed all of what you suggested, they would more than likely fail in the price area.

I can't argue that logic

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lukey1990 
24/8/08 10:48:17 PM
Champion

Quote by xguntherc
Ya we know they are sad right now, and will try anything to win the hearts of computer enthusiasts back. and it's more than a 55nm die, and some tweaks and a better cooler. They are adding GDDR5, thats the big thing.. I know they wanna release something amazing. Wish them luck.

Look at it this way. the GTX200 series are better than the 4000 series.. "If" the 4000 series only had GDDR3. but they stepped it up this year and last and added GDDR5. the 200 series has 448-bit, and 512-bit Memory interfaces.. That big difference is what allows there GDDR3 to be almost as good as ATI's GDDR5. so in all reality. If they lower to the 55nm die, AND get GDDR5, and manage to keep simlar Memory interfaces. that would be a big difference over ATI's 256 bit interface. and There GDDR5 would be operating much better than ATI's. although I don't think they can get GDDR5 that high. But thats probably along the lines of what they are trying to do.

We wont know til we know.
and if they were releasing August 28th. We'd be hearing things about them. Unless it's just a Sudden Drop. but I doubt that.
We will have to wait and see.

And hopefully they dont' screw themselves AGAIN, and try and charge to much for this new card. but I bet they will


Edited by xguntherc: 24/8/2008 4:14:50 PM



Nvidia cannot really afford to keep a 448/512 bit interface and GDDR5.

that's the reason ATi chose GDDR5 and a 256 bit interface.


Nvidia can have the RAM clocked around 4 - 4.4GHz (approximately).

ATi didn't clock it that high to keep the 4870 below a certain power consumption level, i assume this won't be an issue for Nvidia as they are wanting to attain the 'fastest GPU' label, no matter what the cost.


base line:
IF Nvidia manage to create a card sufficiently more powerful than the 4870X2 they need to cut production costs more to keep the price in-line with ATi's.

a 55nm fabrications process is a alright start, but no where near enough.

GDDR5 (at the right price) and a 256 bit interface is a good money saver for Nvidia too.

the issue i see is the current GTX280 prices are too high, even @ 55nm that would only deliver a saving of $20-35 per card (i imagine), the GDDR5 RAM Nvidia plans will increase costs, so a 256 bit interface will combat that.
however for Nvidia so simply increase clock speeds, shrick the die size and swap memory type and interface is certainly not enough for it the be faster than the 4870X2, so (as i've heard) Nvidia will add 24 extra shader cores, this may be enough for the GTX280 (rev, 3?) to sit at around a 4870X2's performance level.

but, can Nvidia so all of that and keep the price down to the 4870X2's ~$650 (~$550-600 after the 'new-ness' has subsided)?

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xguntherc 
25/8/08 10:38:00 AM
Overlord

Ya it will be very interesting to see what they do. I'm thinkin the 448/512 interface will disappear with the GDDR5.. but if they could get it higher than ATI that would be good for them.

and your very correct, they want to have the BEAST of all cards, they wont care about power consumption if they can reach it.. so beware these new cards will be crazy power hungry.

As long as the TRY and keep the prices down, things will still be ok in there area. the minute they crank prices up again. People will resort Right back to the Very good and Cheap ATI 4800 series.

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lukey1990 
25/8/08 10:44:40 AM
Champion

Quote by xguntherc
they want to have the BEAST of all cards, they wont care about power consumption if they can reach it.. so beware these new cards will be crazy power hungry.



a possible issue for Nvidia would be there is only so much power that the PCI-E bus and 6/8 pin power connectors can provide.

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layzi 
25/8/08 12:15:16 PM
Learner
whatever the case lets hope it doesnt follow in the same fashion as the 9800gtx+. i suspect there is a possibility that theyre trying to get rid of their current gtx280 stock before they release the 55nm versions.

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SyKRyD 
25/8/08 6:04:33 PM
Apprentice
sounds like a good time to vote with your wallets right?

people actually have a decent choice to pick from these days

hopefully we'll see some improvement from nvidia

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SceptreCore 
26/8/08 1:52:22 AM
Guru

Yes this does put nVidia on the spot!

But have we known them to play any other way, then 'dog fighting' like tactics. They want to have the best on the market all the time, and if that means taking a loss to gain more, then they may just do that.

Personally I think they need to put more into the next fabrication process, it might cost them a bit... but it would also probably make things easier for them... I mean no one really is expecting leaps and bounds of performance over the current series from the 55nm gen? They should just keep making these GTX200's @ 65nm and just go to the next fab in a years time, or less if possible... this would help them to increase the clock speeds, and possibly throw in a 280GX2 in the works????

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xguntherc 
26/8/08 2:34:10 AM
Overlord

ya know layzi, that could be very true. cuz if they did a better job than they did on the Shrink of the 9800GTX then they will be good cards. but if it's the same sort of thing as the 9800, then it will just be slightly faster, but with a high power usage once again.

but if it's decently better, they will start sellin. and the old stock will be no good. unless it drops even more, Then everyone like me will go get a second card.

either way Core's right, Nvidia is on the spot here, what will they do next, and in business. it takes whatever it takes to get ahead. Dog Fighting is just how it is, they will resort to any means possible. They should just release 2 new cards now. the 55nm revisions of the 200 series. no add-on's for the current 260, nothing. just make those 2. Then start gettin the next gen card ready.

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SyKRyD 
26/8/08 1:55:43 PM
Apprentice
nooooooo! no more new cards from nvidia! i am getting bloody confused with the nvidia graphics card landscape nowadays. =S

its time to stop releasing a new card each week.. like the above posts say, longer intervals between release, but make each one worthwhile

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nesquick 
27/8/08 11:22:46 AM
Guru

apparently nvidia said nothing about 55nm gtx280's at nvision which must mean they are having problems getting the new card up to scratch
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffinancenews.sina.com%2Fsinacn%2F304-000-106-
NVIDIA's NVISION 2008 General Assembly began, but after the two heavyweight rumors have not been confirmed in the first days: NVIDIA has not announced enter the generic x86 microprocessors, also did not reveal any new 55 nm process GT200 graphics chip news. We do not know NVIDIA will suddenly announced in the next two days, but at least now looks unlikely.

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xguntherc 
27/8/08 6:58:56 PM
Overlord

interesting to hear that. Makes ya wonder what all that news was about them about 3 weeks ago.. Meh, we will see.

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nesquick 
27/8/08 7:45:53 PM
Guru

probably their propaganda trying to make people hold off buying the HD4870X2

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SceptreCore 
27/8/08 9:08:09 PM
Guru

Nah.. I reckon scrap 55nm, and just go straight to the next fab process!

It will reduce confusion of product models, and combat the heat problems they have been having, as well as make everyone who has purchased a GT200 card better for buying one when they have been just released.

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F117_Nighthawk 
27/8/08 9:10:18 PM
Guru

Nvidia kinda needs to go to 55nm and regain the crown for the GTX280 though, their whole marketing / reputation is based on it. 40nm wont be here until Q1-Q2 2009 though

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SceptreCore 
27/8/08 10:02:42 PM
Guru

Quote by F117_Nighthawk
Nvidia kinda needs to go to 55nm and regain the crown for the GTX280 though, their whole marketing / reputation is based on it. 40nm wont be here until Q1-Q2 2009 though

Regain the crown?

I don't see how shrinking the die to 55nm, adding another processor cluster, and introducing GDDR5(which will mean that their memory bus will have to take a hit down to 256-bit) will make it the better than the 4870X2!

40nm in Q1-Q2 of next year will be plenty of time to wait to until making a GT200 refresh. This way they will be able to put more processor clusters in, and resolve the plaguing of heat problems they have. At 40nm it may be able to go to 280GX2


Edited by SceptreCore: 27/8/2008 10:20:58 PM

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F117_Nighthawk 
27/8/08 10:20:34 PM
Guru

Yes I dont believe its possible either unless a superclocked dual variant comes in, but thats unlikely. I guess the only way they can compete if they lower the price which is hard with a 512-bit bus and "supposidly" GDDR5 memory

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SceptreCore 
27/8/08 10:21:48 PM
Guru

Quote by F117_Nighthawk
Yes I dont believe its possible either unless a superclocked dual variant comes in, but thats unlikely. I guess the only way they can compete if they lower the price which is hard with a 512-bit bus and "supposidly" GDDR5 memory

So they're keeping the 512-bit bus?

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F117_Nighthawk 
27/8/08 10:33:41 PM
Guru

Quote by SceptreCore
Quote by F117_Nighthawk
Yes I dont believe its possible either unless a superclocked dual variant comes in, but thats unlikely. I guess the only way they can compete if they lower the price which is hard with a 512-bit bus and "supposidly" GDDR5 memory

So they're keeping the 512-bit bus?



Apparently so,
they will need to keep it if they dont have GDDR5 memory, which I dont think they will get it until the new line of cards next year

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SceptreCore 
28/8/08 1:15:53 AM
Guru

Quote by F117_Nighthawk
Quote by SceptreCore
Quote by F117_Nighthawk
Yes I dont believe its possible either unless a superclocked dual variant comes in, but thats unlikely. I guess the only way they can compete if they lower the price which is hard with a 512-bit bus and "supposidly" GDDR5 memory

So they're keeping the 512-bit bus?



Apparently so,
they will need to keep it if they dont have GDDR5 memory, which I dont think they will get it until the new line of cards next year


There is a very in depth discussion happening here on this forum.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1335029

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