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GTX 200 Series 55nm Cards.
xguntherc 
16/8/08 1:03:09 PM
Overlord

So I'm just wondering if anyone has some info about the new GTX Cards that are coming out sometime here in the future. I've been hearing within 2 weeks of the 4870x2. but I'm not sure. According to the link I will post it's coming out August 28th. but not sure.

I've asked around and have not got many responses, probably cuz not very many people know about the actual info.

I found this, not sure how accurate it is, but read what is says about the GTX 280+

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_200_series

The Core Clock is not that much higher, but the Shaders are a good 400 more, not to mention the filrates are much better.

Just thought I'd share the info.
If anyone has more info on these, please Share.

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Cpt. Lock 
16/8/08 1:13:24 PM
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It's wikipedia... utter baloney most likely

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xguntherc 
16/8/08 3:22:54 PM
Overlord

not usually.

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superfireydave 
16/8/08 3:27:30 PM
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Quote by xguntherc
not usually.


However, about something as sensitive to a lot of retards as GPU's you've really got to take it with a grain of salt.

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xguntherc 
16/8/08 3:33:15 PM
Overlord

Ya thats very true, the only reason I'm thinkin it could possibly be true, is cuz how realistic there stats are. Cuz we know the same card with a Die Shrink will be good, but not AMAZINGLY better. look at the 9800 GTX+ it's good, but not revolutionary or anything. There stats show Decent improvements that could be realistic. Much better than those lame reviews about the soon to be GTX350 Bullshit. See those?

http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?66201

Crap like that is pretty unrealistic, thats why I think this wikipedia thing could be a little more correct. But either way. It's all taken with a grain of Salt like you said. cuz we wont know, til we really know. Ya know! Like when it's released.

Just thought I'd share the Wiki find thats all :)


Edited by xguntherc: 16/8/2008 3:33:26 PM

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Cpt. Lock 
16/8/08 4:21:31 PM
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I don't see anything there other then "a possible card" It's definately not as bad as a Fudzilla article, I don't believe their would be anyone on wikipedia who have inside information

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xguntherc 
17/8/08 2:23:44 AM
Overlord

ok ok, I was just posting my findings for people to see.

and thats all these ever are. a "Possible Card" because we never really know til Nvidia/ ATI release something first..

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xguntherc 
23/8/08 6:17:22 AM
Overlord

How about this. It's not the 55nm GTX200 series cards.. but it's something Nvidia is planning to release. Personally Nvidia is about to make yet again, "Another" Mistake. I just don't see why this is needed. Just wait.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/08/21/nvidia-will-offer-a-upgraded-gtx-260-in-mid-september/#more-66
The graphics card battle is getting more fierce right now. Our source just informed us that NVIDIA will upgrade GTX 260 in mid September, offering one more TPC inside the G200 GPU.

The original GTX 260s have 8 TPCs (Texture Processing Cluster) total, but the new GTX 260s have 9 TPCs. That means the numbers of shader processor have been increased from 192 to 216. In G200 chip, one TPC contains 24 shader processors.

Other than the TPC upgrade, the other specs are kept the same. That means the card still runs at 576/1242/999Mhz (core/shader/memory), Memory interface keeps 448bit, and memory size is 896MB.

We guess that this upgrade will help the card to suppress HD 4870. But HD 4850 X2 is right around the corner…

for gods sake!!!

just hold off for the 55nm refresh
this may not be too bad if its the same price ...but it wont be.
Just more confusion in the Green area's. It's supposed to give them that extra edge to be beating the 4870 in all tests. but the ONLY way this will help them, is if it's entered at the same price as current ones. Meh, i bet they wont tho.

Only time will tell.
Just another update for fun. what ya guys think?


Edited by xguntherc: 23/8/2008 6:18:31 AM

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nesquick 
23/8/08 8:31:01 AM
Guru

i to am sick of the dumbass/dumbass's at nvidia in charge of outputting competitive products, like ffs just do what ati have done and stick 3-4 really good cards and not try to span the entire market with all these slight upgrades to old/newish technology.

/end of rant :P


Edited by nesquick: 23/8/2008 8:31:16 AM

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xguntherc 
23/8/08 4:12:52 PM
Overlord

No shit.. when I first got into the 8800's. I was SOOOO fucking confused, then the 512's with G92 vs G80, now there's 9800GT's that are the same damn thing. They need to limit themselves to FEW cards.

Like this round. I was thinkin they SORT of almost got this right, the pricing was way way off to begin, and if the prices were lower to start. They'd be in a better situation right now, but instead they eventually lowered prices. No good. and the 280 is way to hot. but still they did REALLY good as they only introduced ONLY 2 cards, and they were very strong and a good upgrade from last generation. Now if they'd leave it be. and come out with the new 55nm's and rename them. and continue that. it would be cool. but when we will have 3 versions of the GTX260, mine, the first one. the second one with 24 added Stream proc. and then a third with 55nm. thats just to much shit.

They need to take a chill pill. Damn greedy fucks. lol

but I do enjoy my card.

I also am Done with this rant. :)

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layzi 
23/8/08 7:00:07 PM
Learner
from what ive heard so far i believe the message is starting to sink in and they are taking it into consideration, meaning less variations and in turn putting more emphasis on each of their releases.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8987&Itemid=65

so far it doesnt seem like the 55nm gtx280 will be released in august after all seeing as the speculated date is coming in only a few days (25-27 august) and there should have been previews out by now. nonetheless this might prove that nvidia is learning from their mistakes. what really intrigues me tho is this part:

"The 55nm process with a new clock and GDDR5 memory should get GT200 55nm a bit faster than R700 and this is exactly what Nvidia needs."

if this holds true the single 55nm gtx280 can perform at the same level or close to the dual gpu 4870x2 putting it to shame. that would be a laugh of the century. XD


Edited by layzi: 23/8/2008 7:05:04 PM

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Cpt. Lock 
23/8/08 7:06:26 PM
Banned

please its a fudzilla article

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layzi 
23/8/08 7:17:22 PM
Learner
but the thought still counts. =P

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nesquick 
23/8/08 8:18:08 PM
Guru

layzi the gt200 is 571mm^2 die size whilst the rv770 is 260mm^2 that to me is the laugh of the century considering what each rv770 core is capable of.

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layzi 
23/8/08 8:26:09 PM
Learner
yeah but at the end of the day die size dont mean shit compared to numbers, besides i aint drawing any conclusions here just my thoughts.

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lukey1990 
23/8/08 10:40:43 PM
Champion

how would a simplistic die shrink assist in making the GTX280 so much faster?

take the 2900XT (90nm) and the 3870 (55nm), both cards perform around the same, and the 3870 had clock speed increases too.

both are based on the same core, but are basically different revisions.

the difference between 90nm and 55nm is also much greater than that of 65nm to 55nm.

a mere die shrink is not going to allow the GTX280 to be even 15% faster, and that's with increased clock speeds and a factory overclocked model.
how the hell is that going to be faster than the 4870X2?


if Fudzilla predicted Nvidia to be making additional changes to the GTX2280's specifications, like more steam processors (like the GTX260 (rev, 2?) will be receiving) then the article would be a bit more believable.

however due to the GTX280's current operating temperature, and die size, i cannot imagine that (even @ 55m) enough stream processors, etc, will be possible to add to it, thus rendering it (logically) unable to surpass the 4870X2.

unless anyone has any evidence to the contrary i find it difficult to even consider is possible for a revision of the GTX280 to be even 15% faster than the current 'version' is.


[edit]
added additional information on the comparison of the 2900Xt and 3870.


Edited by lukey1990: 23/8/2008 10:43:56 PM

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layzi 
24/8/08 12:03:21 AM
Learner
thats the thing, if it was to be a simple die shrink and some minor overclocks they probably wouldve released it by now. so this may indicate something else, it is too early to say but who knows what they may bring out.

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SceptreCore 
24/8/08 12:21:55 AM
Guru

If they make it larger, and shrink the, and then develop a new cooler, then they may be able to add more cores to it to make it a match.

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lukey1990 
24/8/08 12:46:12 AM
Champion

Quote by SceptreCore
If they make it larger, and shrink the, and then develop a new cooler, then they may be able to add more cores to it to make it a match.



If Nvidia managed all of what you suggested, they would more than likely fail in the price area.

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Sherman 
24/8/08 1:25:07 AM
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I'm kinda expecting Nvidia to spoil ATI's 480X@ party with something, or at least try to.

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