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New CPU, QX6850 vs Q9550
xguntherc 
30/8/08 6:50:02 PM
Overlord

OK, so here's the deal. I've recently built this machine with my Q6700, and I'm enjoying it. but at the moment I am going to be building someone another machine, they are going to take my Q6700 for a Good Price ;) so that leaves me open to get a new CPU.

I'm going to get a great deal on the QX6850. I can get it for $239.00 and they retail for much, much more. So. It's $239.00 plus Shipping. so maybe 270 Max.

Should I get the QX6850, or should I go with the Newer, 45nm Chip. with a lower 95w (vs QX's 130w)
the Q9550. it's only $329.00 so yes the QX would be cheaper for me. but I have a freind that works for intel and I can get the Q9550 for $250.

So for about the same exact price I can get the QX6850, older Technology, but Unlocked Multi for my OC'n.
or I can get the newer, smaller, less power consumption Q9550 for about the same price.

The Q9 series does have the 12MB cache, thats supposed to be a big part of it being a good CPU. but the Q9 has only a 8.5 Multi and people hit FSB walls and what not.

So I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on this. Also I'll be throwing this onto a eVGA 750i FTW! Mobo.

Thanks. Cheers!

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elmo198 
30/8/08 9:26:52 PM
Champion

personally I always go for the newer stuff. no point in looking back even if is on the cheap.

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xguntherc 
31/8/08 2:16:54 AM
Overlord

ya thats partially true. but what about it's Overclocking potential. but then again the Q9550 is new tech, has 45nm. they have built in grphics, and HD coding. and a few others things that supposedly make them better.

Hmm. thanks for the thought.

Anyone else?

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Doctor Octopus 
31/8/08 7:55:24 AM
Master
Well personally I would go with the QX, it's a little older, sure, but you could OC that mofo like no tomorrow, I would be guessing 4GHz stable daily under decent cooling, seeing as it has a high stock clock. ;-)

C'mon, you know you want it - an eXtreme CPU.

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Jeruselem 
31/8/08 9:43:18 AM
Guru

I'd go the Q9550 since it's probably run cooler too.
From a bit of reading, I think the QX6850 might max out around 5Ghz (with water cooling).

QX6850 cooled using LN2
http://cybersurge.org/2007/06/28/intel-core-2-extreme-qx6850-overclocked-to-513ghz/

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elmo198 
31/8/08 10:46:41 AM
Champion

I like to rephase my post. seriously, who the hell here even extreme OC, maybe at best 5% of the atomicmpc members here.. from what I can see if you are asking questions about which CPU..

you most probably wont even give a damn about extreme OC, so the newer Q9550 would be better, as you already know, clock for clock the yorkfield cpu out run the older kentsfield cpu by 10% or more.. so having said that, a 3ghz kentsfield is like having a 3.3(+)ghz yorkfield. Another reason, if ya already considering buying or updating your cpu now, while knowing the new Nehalem is around the corner. Would already be reasonable enough to go for the newer cpu. as it would take you another year or so to upgrade again with Nehalem when they iron out all the bugs and watnot.

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xguntherc 
31/8/08 12:11:24 PM
Overlord

Well I'm a decently extreme Ocer. I have been using my current CPU around 3.66 GHz and such. thats not extreme. but I'm hopgin to maybe get water. no nitrogen tho.

oh and Jeruselem. that 5.1 GHz Oc is with Notrogen, not water.
The Q9550 at MOST would get to 3.8 GHz or if I'm lucky 4.0 GHz cuz of the CPU wall people hit with it's 8.5 Multi.

but the QX I could probably run daily around 3.8 GHz or 4.0. or easily more with Water. Maybe even with my curent cooler depending on it's Performance. but if I'm not using Nitrogen, and I'm not. then the QX is only going to be around the same, maybe slightly higher than the Q9. but then as you said. the Q9550 at same speed is about 10% More efficient.. So I really don't know. I'm leaning to the QX because the QX is for one. an extreme CPU, and if I ever got water. (and it's a possibility) then I could crank her up. but no matter what I do. I'll be stuck to a MOST of 3.8-4.0 if lucky with the Q9950. but. at those speeds. anything above 3.4 GHz is not really helpin much with games.. only for benchies and e-peen. and thats not to big a deal, maybe a little. but I want the best performer.!

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elmo198 
31/8/08 12:23:10 PM
Champion

well the power is yours, you can lean whichever way you like, but bear in mind, Australian summer is around the corner and it doesnt care much for our OC. so it will be another year b4 we get to OC higer than normal again.

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SceptreCore 
31/8/08 2:47:44 PM
Guru

Quote by elmo198
well the power is yours, you can lean whichever way you like, but bear in mind, Australian summer is around the corner and it doesnt care much for our OC. so it will be another year b4 we get to OC higer than normal again.

He is smack bang in the desert country of Nevada USA.

Personally gunther old mate.. the 9550 will do you proud, if you can get 4GHz, great, if not, oh well it will be running faster then your Q6700... and using less power, whilst giving you extra features... we call it "win, win"

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xguntherc 
31/8/08 3:43:14 PM
Overlord

Ya I'm actually in the States. ( No Jokes ok, I know we suck).

It's the DEAD of summer right now. It's been a good 110 Degree's F for 3 months now. It's just barely starting to cool down at nights now.. finally. So I guess I've been doing ok considering I've had these OC's ALL during the summer. I've not had this machine during other time of year. I wonder how low my temps will go. the house will be a good 7-10 degree's F cooler all the time after summer ends.

Really, Sceptre. Hi there old mate.
So you think the Q9550 is a better choice than the QX6850, mainly cuz why, it's old technology. I'd be only going to a higher, and unlocked CPU of what I already have, and it's not much of a ACTUAL upgrade. other than e-peen. While the Q9550 would be performance wise, and technology wise a better upgrade to 45nm tech. lower watts, and probably would run Cooler.

I'm thinkin that might be what I will get. My only problem is that I'm Completely Sure I can get the QX6850 for $239.99 and the Q9550 is a little more and might be a little harder to actual get. but I think I still can.

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Doctor Octopus 
31/8/08 4:23:36 PM
Primarch
The performance between the two, clock for clock, is about 3 - 5% at best. I really wish I could get my hands on one of those extreme CPUs, running 4GHz daily on FOUR cores would be utter heaven. Video Encoding would be so sweet, games like Devil May Cry would love it.

Mreow, does want!

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SceptreCore 
31/8/08 4:26:12 PM
Guru

Well I think at maximum you might get 4.5GHz on that QX6850. So I think that for something that has more cache, and is consuming less watts that will get at most 3.8 - 4.2GHz is a good upgrade over what you have now.

But it's really up to you. The main thing is though how much processing power will you need? Are you still going to get another GTX260?

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xguntherc 
31/8/08 4:30:42 PM
Overlord

at some point when the newer cards come out or the prices drop a little more I think I'll snag another one. thats teh plan at least.

and even though i think the QX I'd get a little higher from it. I think it would be to hot in the end anyways.

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Doctor Octopus 
31/8/08 4:39:01 PM
Primarch
4.2GHz on a Q9550 on Air?

Aaaahahhahahaha :P

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MyAlbanianAss 
31/8/08 6:12:59 PM
Guru

I questioned my QX6700 to be replaced with a Q9450.. everyone told me to stick with my qx.

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SceptreCore 
1/9/08 1:00:00 AM
Guru

Quote by Doctor Octopus
4.2GHz on a Q9550 on Air?

Aaaahahhahahaha :P


3.8 - 4.2 I said... but I said nothing of stability, it was purely max OC.

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xguntherc 
1/9/08 2:19:18 AM
Overlord

Ya thats just the top available OC's it could maybe due before hitting fsb wall..

Myalbanian, really. what were there reasons. ya the 9450 is ok, but thats even wors than the 9550 cuz it's got the .5 Multiplier less, thats not a big deal to some. but for people that overclock like me it's a problem.

Where do you have that QX6700 clocked at for now Albanian

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Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 9:30:09 AM
Primarch
Because there's very little benefit to upgrading such an already powerful CPU.

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MyAlbanianAss 
1/9/08 12:51:19 PM
Guru

Quote by xguntherc
Myalbanian, really. what were there reasons. ya the 9450 is ok, but thats even wors than the 9550 cuz it's got the .5 Multiplier less, thats not a big deal to some. but for people that overclock like me it's a problem.

Where do you have that QX6700 clocked at for now Albanian



People said the performance difference is no different really, and to stick with the qx for the unlocked multiplier..

I have it at 3.47ghz (13 x 266fsb) 1.4v 24/7 overclock on air.. its really easy to overclock these extreme chips.

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xguntherc 
1/9/08 4:38:16 PM
Overlord

Well I have the Q6700 regular and I'm at 3.66 GHz on Air myself. but I usually run it 24/7 on 3.5 GHz. I might add more later when Summer cools down. It's summer where I live. Just about to end.

and ya I see your point Albanian where people say there really isn't Tons of difference. and not to upgrade to it when you already have an extreme.. but when I don't have an extreme, looking at my situation is different from yours. cuz as Doc said, there's no point in upgrading such an already powerful CPU, but for me. They both would be an upgrade. so it's a little different option for me.

Ya know what I mean... Ah, this is a hard choice. Maybe I should get the QX. sell if for more than I'm paying. and get the Q9550, and a E8400 to play with. lol jk. AHHH this is a hard choice. I don't know what i should get.

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