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amd x2 6000+ overclock
liam91 
19/8/08 6:50:41 PM
Serf
i got a 6000+ and wana overclock it, with a stock cooler wats the fastest speed could i gain if i overclocked me cpu?

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SceptreCore 
19/8/08 8:53:20 PM
Guru

Quote by liam91
i got a 6000+ and wana overclock it, with a stock cooler wats the fastest speed could i gain if i overclocked me cpu?

Which one?

90nm or 65nm?

And the answer to that question is... how ever far you get with it! So just go into the bios, and ram up the bus speed. From 200 to 220... lets see if we can get 3.3 ay!

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mobon 
19/8/08 9:05:15 PM
Champion
the short answer is they all crap out at around 3.2 ghz , allthough ive heard of people getting more with awesome cooling i wouldnt expect any more than 3.2 stable.
im speaking from experience aswell.

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heydude 
20/8/08 5:08:13 PM
Champion

Yeah with the stock cooler probably around 3.2 stable.

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liam91 
20/8/08 5:31:24 PM
Serf
jeez aint much aye, reckon the small adjustment would make any differences in gaming?

AMD X2 6000+
2gig DDR2 800
ASUS m3n78-EMH
Gigabyte 9800gt
160GB HDD

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SceptreCore 
20/8/08 5:48:48 PM
Guru

for something that starts out at 3.0GHz... I think it will get more than that.. even the black editon 5000+ gets more than that.

Just try to overclock it and see how far you get, at least give it a try.

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liam91 
20/8/08 7:18:41 PM
Serf
yeah i guess ill let yah no how it turns out.

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mobon 
20/8/08 8:55:40 PM
Champion
sceptrecore the 6400+ starts at 3.2ghz and you get allmost no overclock out of those... 3.2 is the chips limit pretty much.

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mobon 
20/8/08 8:56:40 PM
Champion
Quote by liam91
jeez aint much aye, reckon the small adjustment would make any differences in gaming?

yeh you would notice some increased framerates mainly due to the cpu bottleneck on the 9800gt.
an extra 1000 3dmark06 points could be expected aswell.



Edited by mobon: 20/8/2008 8:57:21 PM

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SceptreCore 
20/8/08 9:38:08 PM
Guru

Quote by mobon
sceptrecore the 6400+ starts at 3.2ghz and you get allmost no overclock out of those... 3.2 is the chips limit pretty much.

He Has A 6000+!!!!!

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heydude 
21/8/08 12:09:55 AM
Champion

Okies, he has a 6000+, and remember he is going to use the stock cooler, so he can only expect 3.2ghz before she starts cooking.

If he upgrades his cooler then who knows, I know if my sli setup was'nt under my cpu that I could get it to 3.5ghz, have had it at 3410mhz but got too hot with the sli setup underneath, and had it boot into windows at 3.5ghz but was'nt stable at the voltage I had it running at.

But each chip is different so he should just give it a go.

I have a second rig sitting in my corner desk running a 6000+ cpu as well, it has a 8600gt graphics card and the stock cooler and yes that one can run at 3300mhz with no extra voltage required, I accidentally done this too, as I upgraded it from a 4400+ which I overclocked an additional 300mhz, I forgot about it when I changed over the cpu's that the fsb was still the same!

I ran it like that for nearly a week and it was rock solid, quickly changed it back to normal after realising it though as that stock cooler is good, but not good enough for big overclocks.

So yeah, give it a go.

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mobon 
21/8/08 12:51:29 AM
Champion
Quote by SceptreCore
Quote by mobon
sceptrecore the 6400+ starts at 3.2ghz and you get allmost no overclock out of those... 3.2 is the chips limit pretty much.

He Has A 6000+!!!!!



i know he has a 6000+ my point was that these chips top out at 3.2 which is why a 6400+ is the fastest chip you can buy, get it now?

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SceptreCore 
21/8/08 2:23:21 AM
Guru

Quote by mobon
Quote by SceptreCore
Quote by mobon
sceptrecore the 6400+ starts at 3.2ghz and you get allmost no overclock out of those... 3.2 is the chips limit pretty much.

He Has A 6000+!!!!!



i know he has a 6000+ my point was that these chips top out at 3.2 which is why a 6400+ is the fastest chip you can buy, get it now?

You can get more than 3200MHz... black edition and such. I think that perhaps you have had unlucky experiences with the AMD Athlons... but I know they can go higher than that. They just haven't made one that goes above 3.2GHz... probably because it was old stepping, and 90nm produces more heat, but they are past that now. He does have a 90nm version however I believe that 3.3GHz is not too much to ask from this chip.

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bowiee 
21/8/08 5:06:15 AM
Hero
Titan


Shall we let Atomic settle this :D go to issue 82 November 2007 Intel V AMD".

QUOTE: "The AMD processors in this sector the X2 6000+ and X2 6400+, both preformed admirably and offer good value for money.

Unfortunately, these processors are not the greatest over clockers, as they are quite close to the physical limitations of the athlon64 micro-architecture".

Quoted over clocking ability in this article for the X2 6000+ was 3.2GHz to 3.4GHz.

And for the X2 6400 it was 3.3GHz to 3.5GHz.

EDIT: So my understanding of the article is that because these chips are so close to the limit of their ability, the amount of over clocking achieved will most likely very from one chip to another despite each chip being the same speed out of the box.

Also each over clocking result will also depend on the other hardware and cooling used.

Hope this info helps to settle this before someone dies lol.



Edited by bowiee: 21/8/2008 5:22:32 AM

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mobon 
21/8/08 1:25:09 PM
Champion
thanks bowiee, i have squeezed a little more than 3.2 out of mine... not quite 3.3 but stability was becoming an issue so i just would say 3.2 is my stable limit.

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SceptreCore 
21/8/08 2:52:47 PM
Guru

Yes but those were the 90nm's, and on the old stepping, so we might be able to squeeze out a bit more from these new ones. Even an extra 100MHz stable would satisfy me!

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bowiee 
21/8/08 4:02:20 PM
Hero
Titan


The current X2 6000 and then X2 6400 are still on the 90nm, DSL SOI. Only the 5600 on down are on the 65nm SOI .

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9488%5E10756,00.html

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13076,00.html

The X2 6400,
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=33

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SceptreCore 
21/8/08 5:00:20 PM
Guru

hey bowiee, you need to dig deeper my friend, keep in mind, these are only just about to be released. So they haven't as yet updated their site until it's on the market.

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUFilter.aspx

EDIT: oh and there is a 5800+ 65nm revision, but you can look for that if you want!


Edited by SceptreCore: 21/8/2008 05:01:03 PM

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bowiee 
21/8/08 5:08:28 PM
Hero
Titan


No doubt, but in this thread we are talking about current stock yes ?

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SceptreCore 
21/8/08 5:13:48 PM
Guru

Quote by bowiee
No doubt, but in this thread we are talking about current stock yes ?

Both!

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