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Midnight_light 
19/8/08 4:16:15 PM
Master
Tell us the temps once you've overclocked. My 5200 (90nm chip with 1mb l2 cache) @ 3GHz with a Zalman 9700 idles at 27C when the room temp is around ~20. $10 says your watercooling epic fails once you overclock

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B82R3S 
19/8/08 6:23:31 PM
Titan

watercooling is fun.

My advice is to buy a rad from pccasegear or something makes it heaps easier to setup.

I started with a MCP655 1x120mm BIX radiator and a cascade i think it was cpu block.

I ended up going back to air because the core2's are pretty neat on air but for shits and giggles im thinking of going to water again aswell. That is when i win the lottery lol

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amdDarcy 
19/8/08 7:26:20 PM
Guru

Quote by Midnight_light
Tell us the temps once you've overclocked. My 5200 (90nm chip with 1mb l2 cache) @ 3GHz with a Zalman 9700 idles at 27C when the room temp is around ~20. $10 says your watercooling epic fails once you overclock



How would you like to pay that?

With the cpu at 3.6ghz and 1.35v it idles at 27c and loads at 52c. Which is a darn site better then the Coolermaster gemini II and 2x120mm fans i had on it. And also remembering that the GPU is in the loop too.

I was hitting temps of around 63 to 65 on air prior to this.

It really does amaze me how so many ppl can sit back on their high horses and run a product down without so much as even testing the product. Most of you (not all granted) sit back on the old TT hate train and go on other ppl's hear say about a product. Sure they may have a product fail every now and then, But that can go for all products. Nothing is fail proof. I have had a few different TT products now and have not had a single item fail or give me any grief.

So i think that ppl should do a little more reasearch into things before they shoot there mouth off.

Thats just my 2c worth.

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Midnight_light 
19/8/08 8:36:30 PM
Master
Was the temps of ~64 when the processor was overclocked?
The Gemini is a stunning piece of shit.
How much did you pay for your Bigwater? I still wouldn't buy it considering both its rads are made out of aluminum.

You are going to have be very careful with your watercooling, the anticorrosive will breakdown and then you've got a massive problem.
That is why thermaltake stuff is cheap they use inferior parts.
I guarantee you that a smaller, better made rad would yield better results.


Why doesnt the OP just get air cooling FFS its cheaper and can provide similar cooling results!

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AMD 5200+
4GB 800MHz
Gainward 9600GT Golden Sample
2 x 320GB Sata
2 x Pioneer 212D
Corsair HX-520
Antec 900 modded

Dasa 
19/8/08 10:27:16 PM
Hero
Titan


Quote by amdDarcy
With the cpu at 3.6ghz and 1.35v it idles at 27c and loads at 52c.

I was hitting temps of around 63 to 65 on air prior to this.



52c would be fairly close to what good air could get at those speeds depending on fan speed it could be higher or lower
so why spend more on cheap watercooling when air can do the same thing?
what air did you use that was reaching 63-65?


for a comparison my water cooled temps q9450 looking back at some screenshots
1.425v 3.7ghz idle 26-29c maximum temperature reached 47-50c prime95 load 1 hour
1.525v 3.9ghz idle 26-30c maximum temperature reached 53-56c prime95 load 5 hours

currently pc is stock room temps is 16c after 20min prime max temps are 37-39c min temp 25-27c
gpu blocks generally kept the vmoded 8800gt and x1900 crossfire under 40c when cranked up depending on room temp

granted this watercooling setup cost more than a tt big water

storm G5 ~$200 (probably performs a fair bit worse than a lot of todays $70 blocks when used on a ihs)
swiftec gpu ~$80
heatercore $35
eheim 1250 ~$110
tygon 7\16" ~$40
2x120 scythe s-flex 1600rpm $60

im willing to give the tt big water a bit of a break if you can provide some more detailed info on fan speed pc specs ect.
what are you loading the cpu with? also run atitool artifact scan box with the box moving not scanning for artifacts at the same time and let us know how it goes


Edited by Dasa: 19/8/2008 10:40:04 PM

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amdDarcy 
20/8/08 7:22:36 AM
Guru

When i was loading everything up to test it out i was running atitool on the gpu and occt on the cpu at the same time so that both gpu and cpu were loaded.
I have my loop set up in the following way:
pump-240mm rad-cpu-120mm rad-gpu-res-pump.

The reason i put it that way was so that the gpu was not getting already heated water from the cpu. It at least has some cooling done to it before it gets to the gpu, and now my gpu never see's 40c under full load. On stock cooling the gpu was at 72c idle and 90+ loaded. I then put on a zalman ZF9 cooler and got 35 idle and 60+ loaded. So the temps of the gpu are greatly reduced too.

The fans i am running are the stock fans that came with the bigwater and i have the singles fan on the 120mm rad at its lowest speed (came with a controller) and the 2 fans on the 240mm rad are running full speed as they didnt come with a controller.

Looking at the spec, all the fans are at 1300rpm ( the one with the controller will go to 2400 but its far to noisy).

The rest of my system specs are:

Cosmos S case
Seasonic M12 500w psu
HD 4850 GFX card
Q6700 @ 3.6ghz
4gb corsair ddr800 xms
3 hdd's and 2 dvd/rw's

The cost of the Bigwater was $189 + shipping. So for that sort of money and the temps i am able to achieve i really think for someone wanting to get into cheap water cooling (as the op said he wanted too) I think you cant go wrong.


Edited by amdDarcy: 20/8/2008 11:04:48 AM

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Dasa 
20/8/08 8:49:58 AM
Hero
Titan


well at that its fairly close to the cost of air cooling for cpu and gpu
having the rad in the middle helps to make up for the weak pump in one way but also puts a bit more flow restriction on it
you have a large fin area with the 3 fans on two rads
so as long as it lasts till you would have replaced air cooling anyway due to socket change and never leaks ok your pc id say you have done ok

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DarknStormy 
20/8/08 8:53:10 PM
Champion

Looks like he's struck gold with the bigwater 745 :)

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emccat 
21/8/08 6:13:08 PM
Serf
i have NEVER ever bought a L.C.S for my computer (cause im a 14 YO noob) but i am considering buying the TT 780e L.C.S kit. it has a 3u bay drive thing with pump res a "smaller rad and an external rad, is this worth buying (because it was relatively cheap and i have a very limited budget) also i is very compact ( i have a crappy-ish centurion T05 case).

sys setup AMD 64X2 5000+ not o'ced
4Gb XMS2 800Mhz low latency ram
cheap 160Gb hard drive
standard colling +2 extra 80mm fans
(dont giggle at me) a......ummmm.....8800GTX(i wish).....8500GT TDH overclocked and modded with som more fans and heatsinks LOL.
MA790X-DS4 crossfire X motherboard (for futer upgrades)


and yes i want a L.C.S BEFORE i get a ne video card

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Midnight_light 
21/8/08 10:04:04 PM
Master
Air cooling my friend its alot simpler and it wont leak.

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AMD 5200+
4GB 800MHz
Gainward 9600GT Golden Sample
2 x 320GB Sata
2 x Pioneer 212D
Corsair HX-520
Antec 900 modded

nesquick 
21/8/08 10:52:04 PM
Guru

to be honest emccat why bother, unless you have really high end hardware just some of the cheaper air coolers are fine.

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amdDarcy 
22/8/08 6:29:00 AM
Guru

Quote by emccat
i have NEVER ever bought a L.C.S for my computer (cause im a 14 YO noob) but i am considering buying the TT 780e L.C.S kit. it has a 3u bay drive thing with pump res a "smaller rad and an external rad, is this worth buying (because it was relatively cheap and i have a very limited budget) also i is very compact ( i have a crappy-ish centurion T05 case).

sys setup AMD 64X2 5000+ not o'ced
4Gb XMS2 800Mhz low latency ram
cheap 160Gb hard drive
standard colling +2 extra 80mm fans
(dont giggle at me) a......ummmm.....8800GTX(i wish).....8500GT TDH overclocked and modded with som more fans and heatsinks LOL.
MA790X-DS4 crossfire X motherboard (for futer upgrades)


and yes i want a L.C.S BEFORE i get a ne video card



That particular cooling set up would not yeild any better results then a decent air cooling setup and would cost you alot more cash. If you wans a kit ready to go that can handle a bit of overclocking and extra blocks in the loop then go for the TT Bigwater 745. Thats what i am running and so far it has been awesome. kepps my temps way doen even with decent overclocks. And it will only set you back about $189.00. The bigger rad is external mountable and you can then mount the smaller on internal.

That would be my suggestion. If you are not planning on overclocking then i would not recommened water at all unless you just want a bit of oowww ahhhh factor in your case.


Edited by amdDarcy: 22/8/2008 06:29:54 AM

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