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Off to UK for a while... want a DSLR...
Frizzl 
10/8/08 8:10:15 PM
Titan

Well over there... who knows what sort of sights I'll see :) I would definitely want to be able to take scenery/sights as well as just random stuff around the city (even in the streets and that sort of thing).

I've always been wanting to get a DSLR and I think now might be the time to take the plunge. B & H are selling the 450D with an 18-55mm IS lens for $729 and I think this might be the way to go. May try get a slightly larger lens as well if people think this would be the way to go...?

I have however seen on a few forums 350Ds and the like going for reasonably cheap with nice little bundle packages.

For a beginner would the 350D be a good camera, or the 450D probably a better start?

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Athiril 
10/8/08 8:23:09 PM
Titan

well... if you can get a good lens by saving money by getting a 350D thatd be my choice.

Id be wary of the number of shutter actuations the used 350D's have gone through.

the Canon 18-55mm IS version is very sharp apparently too.

A tele zoom supplement (such as the IS kit 70-300) would do well.

B&H have it for $549 new.
B&H have the 18-55mm IS for $179 new.

Have much can you get a 350D body for?
If you can fit these two lenses + any body into your budget, this would be a set travel kit, I would -definitely- recommend a cheap light weight tripod for the 18-55, so you can do your scenery shots when there is little light (which is of course usually when things start looking their best)

Both these IS kit lenses are solid performers, unlike their dismal previous generations.

Reviews:
70-300 IS
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/200-canon-ef-70-300mm-f4-56-usm-is-test-report--review?start=1
18-55 IS
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/181-canon-ef-s-18-55mm-f35-56-is-test-report--review?start=1

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Mademan 
10/8/08 8:26:21 PM
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The 450D has a brilliant sensor, and produces fantastic images. In terms of image quality it's on par with the 40D, if not marginally better. That said, photography is not for everyone, and you don't want to be left with something expensive you no longer want that hasn't held its value. I doubt you would be hugely dissapointed with the images from a 350D, but you would save a lot of money. Perhaps even look at a 30D, if you want something that's better built and nicer to use. They're quite cheap on BH Photo too.

As for lenses, the 18-55 IS is said to be a very good lens. Built like a plastic piece of crap, but sharp, light and very portable.

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The Tick 
10/8/08 8:46:38 PM
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Titan


Honestly, go for the 450D kit. The lens will be fine if your just starting out and you would be better off with a better and newer body than the 350D. There is nothing wrong with the 350D as such so long as you know that you are getting something that has been looked after.

You could go for a second hand 30D but I would personally recommend a lighter body with the newer processor for a first buy.

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LordBug 
10/8/08 11:44:59 PM
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Please, for the love of god, go into a store and hold the different offerings first.

Sensor technology is fairly equal in DSLRs nowadays, only the pixel peepers really have anything to nitpick about. What it comes down to is how it feels in your hands.

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GL0Be 
11/8/08 1:19:39 AM
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I just got a 450D last week and its awesome - yes Im a beginner :)

Still got my head stuck in the manual, but its not brain surgery, so the results are coming along nicely. 12MP is pretty sweet and the twin lens pack that came with it is a good start.

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The Tick 
11/8/08 9:12:17 AM
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Titan


+1 to LordBug

There was another thread a little while ago in which this topic was covered, as in someone heading O/S looking for a camera.

Keep a couple of things in mind.

1) How you intend to travel. If your packing some suitcases and arriving on the doorstep of a relative and making them your central point of discovery, then you will most likely pack differently and have different weight considerations than say backpacking. It would also mean a different level of security of your stuff. If you can pack more you might consider two lenses, one that will give you more wide angle (trust me, shooting some of the buildings over in the UK is difficult on a small lens) and perhaps a more powerful zoom to get into some of the detail on buildings. You may also want to look into a bag that would keep your stuff safe and double as a comfortable daypack.

My personal favourite is the lowepro sling bags. They are comfortable, have an inbuilt rain cover, inbuilt lens cloth and the sling makes it easy to swing around to change lenses. Plus they have enough room for extra stuff. Of course if your just looking for a DSLR and plan on only one lens then a normal top entry bag designed to fit the camera would do.

2) How long will you have the camera before you leave or do you intend to get it on route. This is something really worth considering as GL0Be has pointed out, while it's not rocket science there is a reasonably steep learning curve to getting the right photo. Some time with the camera before you go will pay dividends as opposed to getting over there and spending most of your time trying to work out why your picture isn't coming out right instead of enjoying yourself and letting the camera be an extension to your eye.

3) As LordBug has mentioned, get a feel for different cameras. Each brand of camera and I assume series within that brand will have a different look, feel and weight. I personally prefer the size and weight of my Canon 40D over my old 350D. It could be the better build of the camera or the layout of controls.

Some people like the Nikon way of doing things and I assume there are cameras which fit the same price point as the 450D. Either brand will offer up good photos and most will come down to how comfortable you are with it. Hold them, take some photos in store, head to a store which has a better reputation and where the sales staff will help you (even if you don't intend to purchase). All this helps to make sure your happy with your decision and your happy with the size, weight and controls.

4) Once you have selected your camera, don't forget to get at least a UV filter for the lens. Also, have a look at a small tripod that would suit the weight of your camera and lens or get a beanbag (again, ask at a reputable camera store for ideas). You will most definitely want to shoot some night shots of the buildings as it is magical the way they are lit. Finding a good vantage point on a bridge (say the railing, god I love the stone bridges around Europe) and setting up your camera on a tiny tripod will allow you to get a clear picture with a slow shutter. Standing there holding the camera will only cause blur.

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stadl 
11/8/08 8:36:10 PM
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Titan


I agree with LordBug & The Tick that playing with the camera and finding the brand/model with ergonomics that suits you is important. Size does matter, bigger or smaller is not always better depending on the model, your travel requirements and your hands.

Definitely worth playing with it for a while before going so you get to know the features of the camera before you leave.

It's a trip to the UK, probably costing thousands of dollars. Don't risk the photos by attempting to save a couple of bucks buying while away. If you must, buy within the last month before leaving and claim the GST back through the Tourist Refund Scheme when you leave Australia.

Also consider that you're in the UK to do UKish things. You're probably not there to waste time in camera stores haggling over a few pounds.

But if you must, then try before you buy here in Australia. Pick the exact set of equipment you want, and know prices of all the gear you might want to get but probably can't afford. Not knowing the local prices before shopping overseas is the best way to not buy well. I know people who have missed bargains, as well as people who have bought what they thought were bargains, only to find that their bargain was a few % cheaper than best price here - hardly good use of holiday time. Not to mention buying the wrong part for their needs on an impulse because the price looks good - bargain equipment never used is not a good deal. Camera gear is worse than a lot of other gear because the minor variations between versions of lenses can equate to huge differences in price that might look like a bargain until you realise you are comparing apples and oranges.

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Athiril 
11/8/08 10:27:54 PM
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"Canon EOS 350D silver body with 18-55 EF-S Kit Lens
Sandisk Extreme III 4GB CF Card
Lowepro EX160 Bag
Optex T560 Tripod with carry bag

Done just under 3000 actuations since new.
Like new condition, no visible marks or scratches.
Box/Manuals/CDs/Caps/Strap and all other originally included bits & pieces

Reserve: $430 pp

Local buyers have preference over interstate"

On OCAU in photoraphy->marketplace.

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Frizzl 
11/8/08 10:57:13 PM
Titan

Was looking at that one in particular Athiril :)

Still considering the 450D and 18-55 IS for the time being and learning how to really use the camera (trip isn't still January at the moment).

The reason I'm asking these questions is I really only have a limited range of cameras to get my hands on where I live, there may be one shop however that has a bit more gear... At the moment I can really only look at the 450D, D60 and (when in stock the 400D). There is a D80 in town as well which I may look at, but the 450D might seem to be the way to go.

Regarding lenses, an 18-55mm IS lens would suit... what sort of shots :P ?

What sort of lenses (preferably not TOO exy as I am a student) would I take for basic buildings/scenery etc.

Regarding night shots as well, of the city for example, any extra kit needed? I'm assuming the flash wouldn't have any effect on a photo of the street at night for example, so is anything extra needed to take a shot like that?

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Athiril 
11/8/08 11:28:51 PM
Titan

the 18-55mm IS as reviewed by photozone.de is very sharp, feels like junk in your hand, but sharp, high image quality.

The 18-55mm will do your scenery, night stuff, land scapes, and people (not from shooting far away) and group shots

18mm is wide, 55mm is 'normal', 55mm wont "zoom in" on distant objects, thats the job for the 70-300mm

A good flash head DOES work at night on the street, the built in flash doesnt.

Anyway, you -need- a tripod (and not a monopod :P), a cheap ebay light weight jobbie will do, they do hold your camera steady enough, set your exposure (or let the camera set it) put it on timer, and press the button (or no timer with a shutter cable).

The tripod is a necessity for night stuff, it's also a necessity for the best scenery, as scenery can be quite dark in the best/sexiest light (pre and post sunrise and sunset).

18mm will also do you for architecture.

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Frizzl 
11/8/08 11:42:10 PM
Titan

Ahh goodie :) Looks like I'll got the 18-55mm IS to at least get acquainted, I guess I can decide from there if I'll need to grab another lens down the track from there :)

Thanks for all the input guys, any other ideas pop up don't hesitate to post :)

Also gl0be any shot from your 450D for us to have a look at, you've only posted your 'bad' one so far :p

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Twinnie and Tap.

I will miss my sweet princes :(

GL0Be 
11/8/08 11:50:08 PM
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I did post a pic of my ugly mug, but then thought better of it - dont want to scare the kids :P

So here's my better half :)

http://members.optusnet.com.au/bio2000/IMG.JPG


Edited by GL0Be: 11/8/2008 11:51:59 PM

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Athiril 
11/8/08 11:56:53 PM
Titan

*pokes GL0Be to read the white balance section of the manual*

Nice pic, she cute ^_^

edit: and i caught your ugly mug before you edited the post... lol


Edited by Athiril: 11/8/2008 11:57:19 PM

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Frizzl 
12/8/08 12:55:36 PM
Titan

I can pick up a 400D for $500 second hand, with less than 1000 actuations on it and still under Aus warranty...

Should I perhaps just go with this, or is there a benefit going to the 450D, for example liveview, 3" vs 2.5" lcd and the Digic 3 processor?

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The Tick 
12/8/08 1:17:56 PM
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Titan


I guess it depends if the differences are really important to you.

2.5 vs 3"? I am not so sure to be honest. Again, I would try and have a look at two screens next to each other. Liveview is nice but not important. There are other differences between the two - dpreview has this listed somewhere.

Perhaps you are looking at this the wrong way.

Put together a budget first and then look to see what would fit it.

Say for example you had $1,200 to spend. Maybe a second hand 400D with some better lenses, bag and cheapo tripod would be better than a 450D with a kit lens and no real extras.

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Mademan 
13/8/08 7:32:45 AM
Disciple
You can pick up a 400D brand new for $660 at Vanbar in Melbourne

http://www.vanbar.com.au/catalogue/index.php?id=58.109.93.1411218576583&brand=&user=&

Their price for the 1000D with 18-55IS is $914.30. It won't arrive till the end of august however.

(P.S. just about everything else they sell is a rip off)

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Athiril 
13/8/08 8:22:40 AM
Titan

Mademan: if everything they sell is a rip off, where can i get better prices for E-6 processing kits, best i found online was from vanbar...

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Mademan 
13/8/08 10:21:05 AM
Disciple
to rephrase that, they are always dirt cheap. assuming they're the only person on the planet that sells the specified item. look at their price for the 30D kit.

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battlefield_gir 
17/8/08 8:03:04 PM
Titan

twat about the pentax k200d that anthril recomended me

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