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Canon 350D
adrianf 
31/7/08 7:54:01 AM
Charge

I have just bought a Canon 350D in very good condition but no lenses came with it. What I would like to know is what lense would you recommend I buy for it. I like all kinds of photography landscapes time exposure at night animals etc. What should I buy?

Adrian

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The Tick 
31/7/08 8:47:32 AM
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Titan


Let me be the first to say there is no such thing as a lens that does everything. You are most likely going to acquire an all purpose lens then start buying additional lenses to suit certain conditions.

An all purpose lens is generally something that does ok across a multitude of shooting requirements. It will be the default lens attached to your camera at all times.

My recommendation would be something that has IS (image stabilisation) and you can't really go wrong with what canon have on offer.

If your looking for something on the cheaper side that you will most likely sell with this body in the future, Canon's range of EF-S lenses which are designed to accommodate the cropped sensor which comes with your camera would be fine. Something like this one is a popular choice for those starting out, want something better than a kit lens but don't have the cash or desire at this stage to splash out on something more expensive.

http://photobuff.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_5_57&products_id=73&

This works well with the 350D.

If your looking to start down the patch of acquiring lenses and you intend to use them on a camera one day that will have a full frame sensor (for canon it's all models above the 40D) then you should avoid the EF-S range or the equivalent in other brands such as Tamron or Sigma. You will not be able to use these lenses on a Canon with a full frame sensor.

After your all purpose lens, you will most likely look for a better zoom lens, a macro and possibly something like a wide/ ultra wide angle lens. It pays to look at all models in your price bracket and from all manufacturers.

I would also suggest you look at a speedlite flash to compliment your kit. It will pay dividends when you try shooting in low light. In many circumstances, simply pointing the flash at the ceiling when taking a photo will greatly enhance your shot.

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Athiril 
31/7/08 9:23:02 AM
Titan

I dont like recommending EF-S lenses, as they dont have the same compatability and upgrade path of pure EF lenses (EF includes Sigma DG and Tamron Di).

The -new- Canon 18-55mm with Image Stabilisation still feels like a plastic piece of crap, but its rather sharp.

The 50mm EF f/1.8 is one of Canon's cheapest lenses @ around $100 AUD retail, it feels so shabby like youd break it, but it is definitely a winner in terms of image quality, the image quality is excellent.

Landscape - wide angle (you want at least 18mm on a 350D).

Animals Telephoto (you want 300mm+).

Note that you can make great quality images with the 350D's sensor and it comes down to lens quality that makes or breaks image quality.

if you dont mind the weight, the Bigma (50-500mm) does everything except wide angle and macro, and it's sharp @ 500mm, but no OS equivalent of Canon's IS - image stabilisation)

The Sigma 150-500mm has OS and is also quite sharp (from test images ive seen).

All these have both good and bad reviews/comments on the net, if you get a good copy they will be quite excellent and sharp, if you dont get a good copy, you can return it until you receive a good copy.

However, these might be out of your price range (around $1k to import from the U.S. last time i checked).

(Or $1320 to $1400 for the 150-500mm from online australian shops - much easier to return to and quicker to get a good copy, $1k from online shops for the Bigma).

It's hard to recommend stuff without knowing your price range for a lens(es).

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LordBug 
31/7/08 9:47:44 AM
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As Athril mentioned, we need to know what your budget is first.

Secondly, is this your first time handling an SLR type camera, or have you had experience with someone else's / used to have a film SLR? If this is your first foray into DSLRs, lense choice is very overwhelming until you begin to understand the different technologies and your personal style and needs.

Thirdly, I strongly support the kit lense. The best thing about any kit lense is that its weaknesses will show you what you're looking for. Reach? Width? Speed? Sharpness? Focus distance? Bokeh? Colour & contrast? Weight? Zoom range? It seems daunting, but it becomes half the fun when you learn it all :)~

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adrianf 
31/7/08 11:07:51 AM
Charge

Thanks guys I did mean lenses on lense, My keyboard is playing up I think need new batteries. I am not sure about paying big bucks for a lense at the moment until I know for sure I will carry on this interest. The only experience with digital is a FujiFilm FinePix S5600 bought for my birthday and I dont seem to get great pix from it (my expertise not camera fault but working on it)Trying to get into a course at TAFE but limited numbers.
I will try to pay a visit to a camera shop in Toowoomba next time I am down that way and have a look and talk to the sales people and see what they have available. I think I should have waited paid the extra 500 and got the lenses with the camera. Ahwell a bit at a time.

Adrian

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Mademan 
31/7/08 11:42:12 AM
Disciple
[shameless plug]
I say, there appears to be a canon EF 70-200mm F4 L series in very good condition for sale in trademart. What a coincidence!
[/shameless plug]

I'd recommend, for a walk around lens, the sigma 18-50 EX DG Macro (28-80mm eqiv.). It may not be a full frame lens, but in all honesty, if in the future you were to upgrade to a full frame sensor digital slr, would a lens that actually is 18-50mm be of any use to you? Especially when the sigma 18-50 is a constant f2.8 lens with very good sharpness. A full frame lens of this description could cost you $2000+

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The Tick 
31/7/08 1:16:48 PM
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Titan


Just be aware that Canon do not do image stabilisation in the body - it comes down to the lens.

I am not sure about the sigma being able to perform this function.

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stadl 
31/7/08 10:02:11 PM
SuperHero
Titan


One thing to consider in the EF vs EF-S debate (it's the same as the Nikon DX debate) is that the lenses from crop cameras are often a good buy and priced well - if you don't have plans to move to a full frame sensor in the future.

I mean no disrespect to Athril's opinion, but don't disregard EF-S lenses without giving consideration to where you think you might go. In many cases a crop lens is sufficient for your needs. Lenses can be resold if you chose to upgrade down the track.

Much better to have a cheaper crop lens that covers the focal length you'd use and be out taking photos, than not taking the photos because you spent all your cash on one good EF lens that doesn't cover all your needs.

It's also no point in buying a EF lens that costs 4 times as much just because it's EF and just because in a few years you might buy a much more expensive body. I agree in part that good glass is for ever while bodies are transient, but also the hobby may not be for ever, or you may never buy that better body. If you do, then the cheaper lenses can be resold.

Of course usually when an EF lens is 4x as much it's more than the difference between the EF and EF-S mount and sensor size, there's also quality issues, aperture, sharpness contrast and build quality. But that should be the reason for buying a better lens, not specifically the mount.

Thankfully, the more expensive long zooms like 70-200mm etc are usually Full frame anyway, as optically there's no big advantage in making these for crop sensors. This means that when you do lay down the $s for one you get full frame future-proofing for no additional cost.

If keeping size/weight down is important, crop lenses are usually smaller and lighter for an equivalent focal length range - smaller & lighter also comes with the cheaper construction of consumer lenses - pro gear can be nice :) - until you have to lug it around all day :(

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Athiril 
1/8/08 6:28:44 PM
Titan

wrote this the other day but couldnt post at the time:

Okay this is my recommendation.

18-200mm either Tamron or Sigma

A slow f/6.3 at 200mm (for 200mm this is considered slow).

This gives wide angle through to just enough tele-length on a 350D (300mm equiv on the 350D).

For the Tamron I can find the 18-200mm for canon for like $280 US, using priceusa.com.au to buy it, ship it to them in the U.S. and send it to you, it will prolly cost you around $350 AUD maybe.

The Sigma 18-200mm is practically the same looking at the specs, has the same close-focussing abilities (for macro), but it also offers OS (optical stabilisation) will be quite handy @ 200mm f/6.3.

It's $449 U.S. from adorama.com, you dont need to use priceusa with adorama, they'll charge around $40 shipping, so about $500 AUD.

Those prices are excellent compared to Australian rip-off retailers. (retailers are profiteers), the prices are actually comparable to kit lens prices.

Through the 18-200mm can do everything from landscapes to wild life (i recommend a cheap tripod so you can do landscapes at just after sunset of a few seconds, good for smoothing out water), you'll develop an understanding and need of what you want from a lens, then you can make a proper decision.

conversely over a year ago i picked up a EF-S Canon 18-55mm (the non-IS one, nowhere near as sharp as the IS one) for $80 AUD off ebay if youre looking for something to get started, you can check that too.

Dont fall in for a 28mm+ prime or zoom lens unless you compliment it with at least an 18mm or wider lens, 28mm is not wide on a 350D, 18mm is.

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adrianf 
2/8/08 11:45:19 AM
Charge

Thanks guys I might just buy a cheapy first up. As my cupboard is full of "lost interest hobbies"

Adrian

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adrianf 
4/8/08 3:31:32 PM
Disciple

I have just bought a Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 Lens to try my new found hobby of photography. Is the lense OK? Still waiting for it in the mail.

Adrian

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The Tick 
4/8/08 4:53:49 PM
Hero
Titan


That lens is the basic kit lens.

They are fairly cheap but will do the job as a starter lens.

You probably won't get a lot out of it but it will allow you to try the camera and get used to the functions.

How much did you pay for it?






Edited by The Tick: 4/8/2008 4:54:58 PM

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adrianf 
4/8/08 6:45:13 PM
Disciple

I paid $99 for it, it is supposed to be in good order.
It will do until I can afford to buy a better lense. I was quoted $235 at the local camera shop for the same lense


Adrian
Quote by The Tick
That lens is the basic kit lens.

They are fairly cheap but will do the job as a starter lens.

You probably won't get a lot out of it but it will allow you to try the camera and get used to the functions.

How much did you pay for it?






Edited by The Tick: 4/8/2008 4:54:58 PM




Edited by adrianf: 4/8/2008 06:46:13 PM

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stadl 
4/8/08 9:39:50 PM
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Titan


$99 for that lens is probably not bad. Not a fantastic deal, but not a rip off either. Because the the large number of them out there you might have been able to get one cheaper, but it all depends on how well it's been looked after I guess...

It's the sort of kit lens that will be in a kit that costs $130 more than the body alone, but if you want to buy the lens by itself you'll pay more. As a result they sell a lot of them in kits, and very few outside of kits (partly because there are no shortage of kit lenses available second hand from people upgrading)

So the person selling it to you is probably not losing that much from what they paid, but you're getting a reasonable price as well.

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Athiril 
4/8/08 9:58:25 PM
Titan

the 18-55 is fine to start off with (the new IS version being particularly sharp) the old version which you got can be rather poor quality to very reasonable, mine was quite reasonable, must have had a good copy.

It focuses reasonably close, and has wide angle.

For landscapes - I recommend a cheap lightweight tripod, and a shutter release (you can make one from an old pair of head phones, even, or get a cheap ebay jobbie, they work well), this of course is also necessary for long exposure.

The maximum exposure you can get without a shutter cable on the 350D is 30 seconds, with a cable, it's basically unlimited in bulb mode.

The 18-55 wont let you get close enough to majority of animals.

But it'll do you for people, places, landscapes, etc.

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dBUG 
5/8/08 3:52:51 AM
Champion

should have checked this section regularly.. I have just got Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 to replace 18-55mm lens kit. i would sell it cheaper than that, adrianf. :

18-55mm is a good start IMO.

nevertheless, enjoy your new hobby :)

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Mademan 
6/8/08 10:14:01 AM
Disciple
Nothing wrong with the sigma 24-70, so long as it's the macro version, still usefull

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