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Website creation - What the hell am I doing?
moofactory 
10/5/08 12:56:11 PM
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Quote by orcone
I had a look at it in IE, and you're correct in saying it's a little broken. Any reason as to why? Surely IE would be the most universal browser and able to decipher the code correctly?



ie isn't a compliant browser. ie 5-6 blows.
browser hacks are needed to fix them.
ie 7 is a little kinder but still isn't great.

The key is to build for a compliant browser (FF)
then make fixes for ie accordingly.

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Quote by Ben Mansill
I've always waited for the day here when we talk about anal sex with animated Disney lions.

elfinke 
10/5/08 1:42:42 PM
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When I was in the same boat as you, orcone , I did something that is probably a bit out of left field of today: I went to the local library and loaned out a couple books!

And between Dreamweaver and those books, I worked out what to do fairly quickly. And of course, these forums, as you have discovered, contain a vast depth of knowledge in them too.

Best of luck.

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nicephotog-jvm.net 
10/5/08 2:01:43 PM
Master

http://nicephotog-jvm.net/nicephotogs-site-blaster.js.html

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superfireydave 
10/5/08 9:04:43 PM
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Quote by moofactory
The key is to build for a compliant browser (FF)
then make fixes for ie accordingly.


Besides the fact that FF isn't compliant, the key is to design it in such a way that there are no problems.

In some cases it's impossible to avoid an IE6 specific bug, but in many cases you're able to have it display properly first time by using proper semantic markup and by making a few concessions (e.g. setting a width instead of making it auto for an element)

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moofactory 
11/5/08 12:00:55 AM
Titan

Quote by superfireydave
Quote by moofactory
The key is to build for a compliant browser (FF)
then make fixes for ie accordingly.


Besides the fact that FF isn't compliant, the key is to design it in such a way that there are no problems.

In some cases it's impossible to avoid an IE6 specific bug, but in many cases you're able to have it display properly first time by using proper semantic markup and by making a few concessions (e.g. setting a width instead of making it auto for an element)



FF ISNT, a compliant browser? then what the hell is?

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I've always waited for the day here when we talk about anal sex with animated Disney lions.

superfireydave 
11/5/08 12:07:55 AM
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Quote by moofactory
FF ISNT, a compliant browser? then what the hell is?


You didn't know that? :|
Opera is the only fully standards compliant browser at the moment.
I believe FF3 will be Acid 2 compliant which is essentially as compliant as you could wish for want in most situations.


Edited by superfireydave: 11/5/2008 12:09:42 AM

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moofactory 
11/5/08 12:28:30 AM
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Quote by nicephotog-jvm.net
http://nicephotog-jvm.net/nicephotogs-site-blaster.js.html



fuck your sites piss me off.
Could you contradict your self anymore?

Obviously your good with code, but why in hell do you insist on pulling crap like that?

It would be like a professional athlete knowing hes good and then saying fuck it ill just fuck around today cause im bored or something.

You know you can do this well and yet you pull shit like that. What the hell is wrong with you. WTF is with the background music!

Im sorry everyone, but when I see someone that has skill at what they do but then piss all over it, particularly something I take personal pride in, I just find it disrespectful to all involved.

I don't normally do this kinda thing but this gets to me, Your like the Uwe Boll of website creation! AAARRHHH!
Dont take it personal, im sure ur a nice person.
Its just really frustrating to see this kind of thing past 1998.

I find it disturbing that your attempting to educate people on website building but your own sites do not set a good example toward people that are learning.
Please go lern visual design.

Its like MSY thinking theres nothing wrong with their site. Or Scientology thinking everyone else in the world are the ones who are crazy.

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I've always waited for the day here when we talk about anal sex with animated Disney lions.

superfireydave 
11/5/08 12:33:40 AM
Titan

moo, you were recommending WYSIWYG editors earlier in the thread. They're almost as bad sometimes =P

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moofactory 
11/5/08 12:47:34 AM
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Quote by superfireydave
moo, you were recommending WYSIWYG editors earlier in the thread. They're almost as bad sometimes =P



I was reccomending a wysiwyg editor to someone I thought had no clue about html. If I knew strait away he did have some knowledge then no I wouldn't have recommended it. I would never use one, because I know how to code. They exist exactly for the reason i recommended it, for those that don't have the knowledge or understanding of code.

As I said in that thread, all I knew was that he wanted to display his work, for most people HTML is beyond comprehension and more trouble than its worth. I would never tell a florist wanting to display her flowers online to go learn XHTML and css.

A WYSIWIG editor, depending on the one chosen of course,can still at least get a good looking result and work in most cases if its simple across all browsers. I dont see how that relates to this though.


Edited by moofactory: 11/5/2008 12:48:44 AM

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Quote by Ben Mansill
I've always waited for the day here when we talk about anal sex with animated Disney lions.

superfireydave 
11/5/08 12:49:44 AM
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Because neither (well, for the most part. I'm yet to see a WYSIWYG editor do strict xhtml 1.0 which is semantically coded) has standards compliant code :)

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moofactory 
11/5/08 1:11:01 AM
Titan

Quote by superfireydave
Because neither (well, for the most part. I'm yet to see a WYSIWYG editor do strict xhtml 1.0 which is semantically coded) has standards compliant code :)



Of course not, But theres tons of sites out there that dont validate. Take IGN.com for example. A big ass corporation like that and their site doesn't validate. Its in quirks mode and has 3049 errors. (neither does atomic if you wana know)

But thats not the point, The average person wanting to make a website that doesn't have a clue about html isn't going to give a rats ass if it validates or not. If I just wanted a website I could display my work on and I was a photographer.. or model or something. If I cant see a visual error, I wouldn't care.

You care because you know better. A general web surfer isn't going to care if a persons site is compliant across all browsers or not.. all they're going to care about is that it generally works, they can see the content they expect to see and are able to navigate the site and it looks visually appealing.

For all they know the source code could be a total mess, But so long as it looks right on their screen. They aren't going to care. A small business or personal user wont have the same levels of importance in their own website as you or I do.

Take a look at MSY.. you think they give a toss? Its been that way for years so obviously not. It serves its purpose as nasty as it is. For anyone thats not in this industry, thats all the average person wants.

And thats the difference between someone that doesn't know any better and Jim, he should know better.


Edited by moofactory: 11/5/2008 01:15:20 AM

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Quote by Ben Mansill
I've always waited for the day here when we talk about anal sex with animated Disney lions.

superfireydave 
11/5/08 9:41:43 AM
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Quote by moofactory
stuff


Regardless of your spiel, standards aren't hard to meet. I can't change what IGN do, or what Atomic do, but I may be able to push orcone in a direction where his website meets web standards.

That's a good thing, especially if it's not much harder for him, and gives him more skills in the long run.

I honestly don't see how you can argue one iota that meeting web standards is a bad thing.

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johnsee 
11/5/08 2:46:09 PM
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SuperHero

Immortal


Quote by Girvo
Quote by orcone
Quote by GTAV6
here you go: http://www.thexman.net.nz/orcone/



Dude, that's awesome! Thank you very much! I'll have a look over the source code to see how you did it and match it up against what I'll be learning in a few days time.

Damn, how'd you make it so quick?

I had a look at it in IE, and you're correct in saying it's a little broken. Any reason as to why? Surely IE would be the most universal browser and able to decipher the code correctly?



BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



I reacted the same way :P

(Nothing against you personally orcone :)

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moofactory 
11/5/08 4:03:54 PM
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Quote by superfireydave
Quote by moofactory
stuff


Regardless of your spiel, standards aren't hard to meet. I can't change what IGN do, or what Atomic do, but I may be able to push orcone in a direction where his website meets web standards.

That's a good thing, especially if it's not much harder for him, and gives him more skills in the long run.

I honestly don't see how you can argue one iota that meeting web standards is a bad thing.


Of course not, Im not arguing that standards compliance is a good thing. I was simply saying what I was while under the impression that Ocrone didnt have any experience what so ever. ocrone obviously does have some knowledge so I do agree with you.

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Quote by Ben Mansill
I've always waited for the day here when we talk about anal sex with animated Disney lions.

nicephotog-jvm.net 
11/5/08 5:18:17 PM
Master

[en-UK] re: edited relating following 2 page inserts

I'm glad you said all that, since what pisses me "is the little value
of committing empathetic(free ware users) and respectful constructive
criticism toward, that" "is, truly useful in its being, and, stated terms of use".
Also of "its charity being that of FREE WARE".
From the URL nicephotogs-site-blaster.js :
(About how well i would actually know the template
appearance wanted [implicit, consultancy at $50/p-hour was not used
(or as they say here WTF?)] )
..."The script is not a guarantee to a perfect page each iteration,
but it the idea is it should leave little to adjust."...

The second implication relating template appearance:
..."If you want you can look over the content frame files in the
TEMPLATINGBASE folder and adjust them for better cosmetics or
fittings"...
(later implicates that anyone would either know little of a web sites
underpinnings and management or they may even wish in all(the pages'
statement)to change the lot and just/only use the script for their
content HTML template that they them self make for it)
..."Remember, to see the images correctly requires your page to be on
your server."...

I cannot comprehend those that ctriticise something as though it were
a salable item when it is of a level you get free of economic charge
and is compliant to extra points of charity of it being serviced by
simplified step by step assistance .

Did you want Macromedia DreamWeaver in a WSH?

Q: moofactory
..."Please go lern visual design."...

In 8000 lines of "GUI software", that 4000 lines are "pure support process"
and not data insert sets, and that much of the OOP programming for sites that
bind to the front end do not mean much in terms of absolute visualisation because
of the binding point in the system its done at the OOP/processes level
-> "WGF?"(Who Gives A F.....k).

Graphic arts or Web Design, that's ..."pretty" good (cellophane).



Edited by nicephotog-jvm.net: 11/5/2008 7:26:10 PM

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GTAV6 
11/5/08 7:10:52 PM
Hero
Titan


um, i'm not intentionally trying to be nasty, nicephotog, but are you using an online translator, or something?

if it's not too much of a personal question- is english not your first language?

it's just that this post (more than usual), made absolutely no sense whatsoever. actually, you can't be using a translator, because it would never have come up with "charitousness"...

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superfireydave 
11/5/08 7:14:31 PM
Titan

I don't understand your post at all nicephotog -_-

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nicephotog-jvm.net 
11/5/08 7:33:38 PM
Master

GTAV6 : Can you connect that minor typos could exist and that,
connecting the true concept by a minor mental rearrangement of
the information should be sufficient to not bother caring(excessively
as you do some of the time) about it when they placed at such a candid
level.
My era of english could be a little older than yours and a little
different because of the writers of some texts in fields of my interests.
(note: I realise their is every reason to not have typos in
production pages)

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GTAV6 
11/5/08 7:48:10 PM
Hero
Titan


Quote by nicephotog-jvm.net
... minor mental rearrangement...


like a frontal lobotomy? :o)

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nicephotog-jvm.net 
11/5/08 8:06:32 PM
Master

I won't take to/bite that last comment reptilianly.

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