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superfireydave 
14/8/08 9:29:58 AM
Titan

Quote by tantryl
viruses have become less of a problem.


HIV and aids beg to differ D:

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battlefield_gir 
14/8/08 10:28:22 AM
Guru

I <3 kaspersky, nothings perfect though. they do a one month trial perhaps you could give that ago.

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Master_Scythe 
14/8/08 2:08:01 PM
Titan

Quote by TheSecret
Quote by tantryl
I disagree.



Then you don't know what you're talking about.



I wish to defend my friend and tell you Tantry does indeed know whats hes talking about.

Im the same actually.

As long as you dont pirate software, (hell even torrenting seems pretty clean these days), dont go to porn, and dont run random EXE's you're safe.

about the only thing that gets viruses into workplaces these days in my experience (4 years corporate head of IT, 3 years home system repair) is POP3 email.

Everything else is spyware\adware.

I never, literally, scan a customers misbehaving PC for viruses. ever. I only ever do spyware scans, give it a manual going over with HijackThis and clean that shit up.

Once thats gone, all symptons are gone. Havent seen a 'virus' yet from users NOT using pop3, those who do, often have a shit load, but looking at 'from' its always an email.




Yep, so back on the topic OF antivirus (as I personally am an experimenter and WILL run everything, sometimes just to learn what 'the latest virus' does!)

AVG is decent but memory hogging.
Norton is HORRIBLE, however if you can get you hands on 'Symantec Corporate Antivirus' from work or somewhere, hug it with all your love.

NOD32 is the BEST home antivirus ever. Having used many, this thing compleses a full system scan of 1tb in under 10mins.

It also has countless 100% awards, and usues almost no system footprint.


Edited by Master_Scythe: 14/8/2008 2:10:52 PM

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Quote by Girvo
I've got a wicked tiny one that is ridiculously sensitive.



TheSecret 
14/8/08 4:14:04 PM
Primarch
Quote by Master_Scythe
Quote by TheSecret
Quote by tantryl
I disagree.



Then you don't know what you're talking about.



I wish to defend my friend and tell you Tantry does indeed know whats hes talking about.

Im the same actually.

As long as you dont pirate software, (hell even torrenting seems pretty clean these days), dont go to porn, and dont run random EXE's you're safe.

about the only thing that gets viruses into workplaces these days in my experience (4 years corporate head of IT, 3 years home system repair) is POP3 email.

Everything else is spyware\adware.


No. First of all, why only a POP3 email, and not IMAP or FTP or a thumbdrive? Your speaking from the point of view of someone smart enough to not do all of those things. Most people don't have that knowledge.

If Tantryl was so secure in his knowledge, and confident he is correct, where did he go?

I never, literally, scan a customers misbehaving PC for viruses. ever. I only ever do spyware scans, give it a manual going over with HijackThis and clean that shit up.

Once thats gone, all symptons are gone. Havent seen a 'virus' yet from users NOT using pop3, those who do, often have a shit load, but looking at 'from' its always an email.


That is unprofessional, and sad that you are not doing your job well when you are being paid for it. Again with the POP3 somehow being able to be more of a catalyst than other equally popular protocols?

Yep, so back on the topic OF antivirus (as I personally am an experimenter and WILL run everything, sometimes just to learn what 'the latest virus' does!)

AVG is decent but memory hogging.
Norton is HORRIBLE, however if you can get you hands on 'Symantec Corporate Antivirus' from work or somewhere, hug it with all your love.

NOD32 is the BEST home antivirus ever. Having used many, this thing compleses a full system scan of 1tb in under 10mins.

It also has countless 100% awards, and usues almost no system footprint.


NOD32 is not the best AV ever, and does indeed miss several viruses. But since you don't run AV scans, how would you know? AVG is possibly worse, if it was not free no one would use it. The best, as such a thing can be measured, is Avast, followed by Avira.


Edited by TheSecret: 14/8/2008 4:16:36 PM

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

Master_Scythe 
15/8/08 12:45:39 AM
Titan

First of all, why only a POP3 email

Its the most common way and thusly was a generalisation.

If Tantryl was so secure in his knowledge, and confident he is correct, where did he go?

Probably to other parts of the forum or The Green Room, PM him and find out...


That is unprofessional, and sad that you are not doing your job well when you are being paid for it.

1. I feel thats edging to a personal attack there.
2. Its once again a generalisation
3. People dont want me sitting there for an extra hour of their time, charging them money, while i scan for the least likely denominator.
I shouldnt have used the word 'literally' above, I should say 'in the last year or so'.



NOD32 is not the best AV ever

Yes it is. Forum concensus says so, as does VB 100% awards and scan speed.

it does indeed miss several viruses.

Name one.


But since you don't run AV scans, how would you know?

1. Please troll another forum. Sarcasm is unappreciated.
2. If you read my post properly, I say i DO run one, as I am interested in malware and DO often run it, then have to remove it.


AVG is possibly worse, if it was not free no one would use it.

Agreed its not fantastic, but it still has its share of 100% awards. Its scan times are horrible is all. But since Version 8, I havent seen any in depth tests and id argue (till i see proof otherwise) its doing MUCH better.

The best, as such a thing can be measured, is Avast

Negative. Unsigned Java Apps WONT RUN while Avast! is enabled. (took me a while to figure out why it wouldnt load), and it doesnt get along well with other security software.

Though admittedly, assuming you're not running other security software, and you dont use Java applets much, it seems good. Its on my laptop as a trial.

followed by Avira.

Detection rates agree, speed and adware with each update doesnt.



Edited by Master_Scythe: 15/8/2008 12:47:30 AM

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Quote by Girvo
I've got a wicked tiny one that is ridiculously sensitive.



TheSecret 
15/8/08 1:11:44 AM
Primarch
POP3 is the most common means of infection in your experience? Or are you stating that as a fact? Either way it is not very logical.

Not bothering to do an antivirus scan, even a quick one, or at least recommending they do or showing them how to use an online scanner, is unprofessional. It is not a personal attack or a generaliyation, just a fact. If they did have viruses on their system which you left on, how have you done your job professionally?

NOD32..Forum Consensus? Awards? Technical merrit out the window?

What you take as sarcasm I just see as pointing out the flaws in your argument.

Again confusing technical merrit with magazine awards. Have you ever considered actually reading some papers on the subject, instead of taking the word of some halfwit journalist?

Unsigned java apps run fine with avast, you either configured it that way, or it was a bug, it gets along swimmingly with security software. Avira is fine for speed, and is not an adware scanner, so what is your point?

Oh, and one example of NOD32 not detecting, Backdoor.Win32.Agent.aib

I can provide more if you need?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

Master_Scythe 
15/8/08 11:37:44 AM
Titan

Quote by TheSecret
Again confusing technical merrit with magazine awards. Have you ever considered actually reading some papers on the subject, instead of taking the word of some halfwit journalist?



Please dont insult our company like that. As I have seen both tests in Atomic and PcAuthority, which are BOTH haymarket publications.

And I take VB100% awards as some pretty fucking strong technical merit, those arent done by some 'halfwit journalist'.

Also, Im quite annoyed that you insult our journalists! And why you'd insult magazine journalists on a magazine's forum, of which most of the writes and the editors all visit, just boggles me.

Also, Nod does detect 'Backdoor.Win32.Agent' Sure it doesnt kick and scream about that SPECIFIC variant, but you do get (assuing herustics are on high) a 'possible Win32\Agent variant' warning.

I'l just note before I end this post, I use the words 'our company' and 'our writers' etc. as part of the community, not because im actually affiliated with them in any way more than friends.

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Quote by Girvo
I've got a wicked tiny one that is ridiculously sensitive.



TheSecret 
15/8/08 8:41:39 PM
Primarch
I was not referring to Atomic specifically. And you answered my question, you couldn't can't have been bothered to actually read a paper or something more technical on the subject. Anyway, kudos on ignoring all of the points and steering it towards me blaspheming on atomic.

You asked for an example of something NOD32 did not detect, and I gave it to you, but since you would defend every single virus it did not detect with the fact that it gives a "possible virus" warning what is the point?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

Master_Scythe 
17/8/08 1:33:02 AM
Titan

Quote by TheSecret
but since you would defend every single virus it did not detect with the fact that it gives a "possible virus" warning what is the point?



there probably isnt a point. but thanks for trying at least. :P

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Quote by Girvo
I've got a wicked tiny one that is ridiculously sensitive.



TheSecret 
17/8/08 1:54:31 AM
Primarch
Master_Scythe,

I just get frustrated when someone in a debate ignores the points made because they can not address them or back up their claims. Is that not what has happened here?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

Master_Scythe 
17/8/08 12:04:57 PM
Titan

Quote by TheSecret
Master_Scythe,

I just get frustrated when someone in a debate ignores the points made because they can not address them or back up their claims. Is that not what has happened here?



I dont feel so. I havent ignored a single point afaik.

If its a debate as you say, all i did was counter you claim by pointing out it recognises the parent virus and gives warnings about its variants, which imo is damn good.

I feel its better than most antiviruses which just ignore variants it doesnt know for certain.

as for not reading tech sheets on the subject, I prefer real world results. Ones that VB, users, and magazines can provide. I dont live on a test bench, I live in the real world, where all the above tests are no doubt aimed at.

On a more pressing point, if you're going to continue to insult or strategically demerit everyone elses viewpoints (not only in this thread) claiming they dont know what they're talking about (or in this case apparently cant be bothered reading tech reports) I ask that every claim you make, every sentence you type, is backed up with Citations and references.
If you feel you have the right to demerit other peoples claims, please always back yours up.

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Quote by Girvo
I've got a wicked tiny one that is ridiculously sensitive.



TheSecret 
17/8/08 5:17:17 PM
Primarch
I responded to several claims you made, and you focused on me apparently attacking atomic instead of addressing them. POP3, Level of professionalism, Avast criticisms, all not addressed.

Real world experience is good and all, but consumer pc magazines(not specifically atomic) are not the best judge, and in your real world experiences.

I don't need to cite everything I say, if I was wrong, then I could be logically disproved. But when people make incredulous claims that can not be substantiated, then the onus is on them to provide proof.

Also, every decent virus scanner has a possible virus warning, so it is quite useless. By that logic, they are all decent virus scanners if they don't detect anything.

More that NOD32 does not detect

Win32/Sality.NAR
win32/mebroot.k (detects but can't fix)
Win32/Delf.NKZ Trojan (started detecting 2 years after it was a problem)

As a piece of software, it is slow to update definitions, terrible for automatic scans(they are even disabled by default), mainly focused on malware/spyware and does a poor job with viruses, and can cause a lot of stability problems.

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Invention 
18/8/08 5:09:24 PM
Overlord

You children still arguing about this shit ?

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