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best video codec to rip dvd's?
Vanne 
2/8/08 9:40:00 AM
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Hi, just wondering what the best way is to rip dvd's to divx? (personal storage on media box)

Iam using Handbrake atm, and love it, but have been using Avi file containers with ffmpeg as encoder with MP3. Now that there are new versions of Handbrake, i find iam still using the same codec, only due to not knowing much about H.264.

can anyone shed some light about what the better way is? iam using it primarily to display movies on a 42 inch plasma with 1024x768 rez.

cheers

(oh and hope this is the right place to post that question)

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Rybags 
6/8/08 12:27:46 PM
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Stick to AVIs with Divx or XVid if you're using standalone players.
Although now, supposedly some standalone players can play MKV and H264 files/codecs.

Personally, I've found XVid 2-pass generated video to be better than Divx. And the added bonus is that it generally encodes a bit faster as well.

The "scene" almost exclusively does stuff in XVid also.

You should also try to find out what capabilities your player has. My two, and most "older" standalone machines will only play <= 720x576 stuff but if yours can do better then you might want to encode at a higher resolution.

I use 512x288 for 16:9 stuff and 384x288 for 4:3. Gives good quality at lower bitrate, and preserves the aspect ratio with square pixels.

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_sentinel 
6/8/08 1:50:35 PM
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x264 (open source H264 codec)
http://x264.nl/

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Athiril 
7/8/08 12:38:09 AM
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+1 x264.

x264 > H.264.

QT H.264 is rediculously slow to encode, it's slower on OSX than on Windows, and it's still slow on Windows (just my gripes)..

"The Scene" has moved from xvid/vorbis to x264/AAC or Vorbis, xvid is still used though.

With x264, you can have 1024x576 @ small file size.

I highly recommend MKV (which is also "the scene" container format), if you want to pursue MKV, let me know, it's not particularly hard to do.

MKV will allow you multiple audio tracks (English, Jap, Spanish, etc), and subtitles you can turn on or off, like the original DVD, if youre into preserving stuff.


Edited by Athiril: 7/8/2008 12:44:17 AM

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Christo85 
8/8/08 9:33:08 PM
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Try Thoggen.

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Scourge of the Underworld 
8/8/08 10:30:35 PM
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If we are recommending apps, I would suggest OGM DVDRip. Gives you several options regarding audio/video codecs, and is surprisingly simple to use.

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Vanne 
9/8/08 5:25:06 PM
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iam not realy after software, but thanks anyways, was more after if H.264 gives better results than ffmpeg does. Well i dont have a stand alone player, and use a mac mini G4 1.5ghz as my media center. does H.264 still allow you to select a bit rate?

oh and Handbrake supports H.264 and MKV so thats no drama. Ill generally encode from source 720x576 (normal dvd widescreen i think) and then outputs it to 718x434 and then chuck it into Anamorphic 1021x434 at around a constant bitrate of 1500.

its not bad, but will H.264 be better?

Flippin heck, just started encoding a movie (escape from LA) in h.264 and its gonna take 1 Hr 40 mins???? man thats slow... same movie in ffmpeg does it in 26 mins...




Edited by Vanne: 9/8/2008 5:27:31 PM

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_sentinel 
9/8/08 6:41:46 PM
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Erm quality over quantity, remember that. Normally I just set a final file size, 1.4gb for movies etc. If your gonna use Handbrake, which is an excellent program btw, make sure to learn wat the profiles do, they can make a huge difference.

http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets


Edited by _sentinel: 9/8/2008 06:46:22 PM

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Vanne 
9/8/08 6:54:52 PM
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Hi ya Sent, mate, i dont use the profiles (as in added from 0.9.1) and just use my own preferences. Generally depending on how much black is in the movie, a 90 min flick will come out between 900mb and 1.5gb.

so you use the presets? whats your experience been with them ? any good?

cheers

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_sentinel 
9/8/08 8:51:45 PM
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Ahh ks, yea I'm in love with the Deux Six Quatre preset, never had a problem with it.

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Athiril 
15/8/08 7:48:55 AM
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Quote by Vanne

Flippin heck, just started encoding a movie (escape from LA) in h.264 and its gonna take 1 Hr 40 mins???? man thats slow... same movie in ffmpeg does it in 26 mins...




Edited by Vanne: 9/8/2008 5:27:31 PM



It's not called handbrake for nothing.

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Master_Scythe 
15/8/08 11:53:35 AM
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Also, h\x264 is harder to decode. so if you have a weaker media PC, you'll get less lag on Xvid. it'll use more space for the same quality though.

I ust tend to add 500kbps more to an Xvid encoding than a h.264 and i cant see the difference. (im not the best judge i know) but still...

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Athiril 
15/8/08 2:07:25 PM
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It doesn't take much of a machine to decode H.264 (with a real decoder, not some p.o.s. prosumer scam like QuickTime).

Found comments online for H.264 decoding/playback, was fine on a machine of Athlon 2000+ apparently.

As you'll note Vanne's processor is a X2 4400+

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The Fuzz damn you! 
16/8/08 1:21:20 AM
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Quote by Athiril
It doesn't take much of a machine to decode H.264 (with a real decoder, not some p.o.s. prosumer scam like QuickTime).

Found comments online for H.264 decoding/playback, was fine on a machine of Athlon 2000+ apparently.


At what resolution and bitrate? Was the video even being decoded by the CPU?

Also, why is ffmpg being compared to h.264 here? ffmpg is not a codec, it is a program that plays (and does various other thing to) video in a number of different formats, including h.264.

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Master_Scythe 
16/8/08 3:55:03 PM
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Quote by The Fuzz damn you!
Quote by Athiril
It doesn't take much of a machine to decode H.264 (with a real decoder, not some p.o.s. prosumer scam like QuickTime).
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Precicely.

Mu media PC can do it flawlessly as long as i have a GPU that can hardware decde installed.

If i use the onboard video it jumps to well over 90%

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