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Linux_Inside V2 
29/6/08 5:34:27 PM
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As far as I can see, this is no different to any other mobile plan you can get in Australia where the upfront doesn't necessarily match the real cost of the handset... I know you don't think that when you get a phone on plan for $0 down that the phone is really free to the carrier? Carriers lock people in because they've already paid for the handset and need to recover their cost.

Given the success of the last iPhone, Apple now has the clout to tell carriers that the most they can charge for the handset upfront is $X, where X is around US$199, but where X doesn't necessarily equal the cost the carrier pays Apple for the unit.

The way I see this is Apple is now pushing the risk of recovering the cost if the phone is unlocked onto the carriers, rather than sharing the risk via a trailing commission.



Sure. But the handsets are now cheaper, and Apple is now not getting money off service payments. The winners are the consumers, in my book.



You're paying the extra in the plan though.

I'm pretty sure someone did the math and found the plan cost you more over the full term for the 3G than the 2G did.

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cg776 
29/6/08 10:12:52 PM
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The high monthly contracts slated for iPhone customers seem rediculous, at least if you're going to be overcharged, you may as well do it at full speed which I'm afraid to believe only the NextG network seems to provide. Its sounding more and more like unlocking is the only way for me to enjoy the iPhone as a phone.

And I expect the location stuff to suck here too, we have not many wifi hotspots, no cell tower triangulation (US has it for E911 regulations), and who knows what the GPS will be like...

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TinBane 
30/6/08 7:14:09 AM
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Sure. But the handsets are now cheaper, and Apple is now not getting money off service payments. The winners are the consumers, in my book.



You're paying the extra in the plan though.

I'm pretty sure someone did the math and found the plan cost you more over the full term for the 3G than the 2G did.


Really? Are the plans that much dearer?
I guess we'll have to wait and see what Optus/Vodafone are offering (and possibly Telstra, if rumour is to be believed. >:(

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zephyr 
30/6/08 8:40:10 AM
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Really? Are the plans that much dearer?
I guess we'll have to wait and see what Optus/Vodafone are offering (and possibly Telstra, if rumour is to be believed. >:(



I'm expecting that on contract, $60/mth for 2 years will be the minimum commitment you'll need to make (certainly in the first 6 months or so). I'm basing this on the current crop of "smart" phones and plans you can get for a similar price. It's also similar to Rogers in Canada's pricing for their iPhone plans.

The bigger question here will be what amount of data that's going to get you. It needs to be closer to mobile broadband rates, than to current phone data rates, which are extortionate in comparison.

I'm really waiting to see what the offer is, because if the plans are too high, the data allowances too low, and I can only get 2.5G service here because it doesn't do 900MHz HSDPA, then shit, I might as well just get an iPod Touch and keep my GSM phone a bit longer :-(

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plebsmacker 
30/6/08 6:11:11 PM
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http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/iphone.htm

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iain671 
30/6/08 7:05:49 PM
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Will be interesting to see what Optus/VF offer now that Telstra have announced pricing.

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Linux_Inside V2 
30/6/08 7:33:32 PM
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Well, it looks like I was wrong!

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zephyr 
30/6/08 8:23:08 PM
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http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/iphone.htm



awww, man.

I don't wanna go back to those pricks.

But...

it's tempting.

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TinBane 
1/7/08 8:10:48 AM
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http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/iphone.htm



Hmm, launch on the 11th too.
It will be interesting to see how the data rates stack up. Personally, I'd rather have 3G access in the cities only, and get my data at a better rate. If Telstra follow their current pricings, they'll go for the jugular as soon as you fire up safari.


Edited by TinBane: 1/7/2008 8:59:58 AM

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zephyr 
1/7/08 9:05:56 AM
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Personally, I'd rather have 3G access in the cities only, and get my data at a better rate.



Yeah, where your definition of city == capital city. :-(

I mean, I can understand how 900MHz makes sense in areas of low population density, where one cell can cover the same area as 2 or 3 2100MHz cells and not be over-subscribed, but... why couldn't they have just done 850 as well? I suppose Telstra is hogging all the spectrum licenses or something :(

I'll have to talk to someone with an original iPhone and see how insufferable 2G speeds are...

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1/7/08 9:33:46 AM
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When the first load of bills roll in it will be easy to see who has been hooked into youporn for hours on end.

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kunzie 
1/7/08 9:36:31 AM
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The O2 account you need to sign up for comes with unlimited 3G 'net. Woot! Better fill out my contract stuff early... and then pick it up at 7AM Jul 11 :D

zeph: 2G is oooookaayyyy.... but it's pretty damn slow. Emergencies only. Although Google Maps is quite handy even if you have to wait a few seconds to get a response.

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zephyr 
1/7/08 11:16:36 AM
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zeph: 2G is oooookaayyyy.... but it's pretty damn slow. Emergencies only. Although Google Maps is quite handy even if you have to wait a few seconds to get a response.



Yeah. at home obviously it's going to be on the wifi network so not a big deal. on the go, it's probably more about the email than anything else. maybe a bit of adium for instant messaging :)

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1/7/08 11:54:56 AM
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Zeph: Lucky for me I live in a Capital City. Obviously outside a capital city, or somewhere like Geelong, it's going to be a pain, and 2G only. Mostly, I'll be hoping to be in wifi hotspots anyway. And I'd mainly be using it for email on the road, anyway.

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zephyr 
2/7/08 9:08:54 AM
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US$599/699 fully unlocked price: http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=79557

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2/7/08 9:31:55 AM
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Cheers Zeph.

I've heard there may be similar options on Voda, but cannot confirm it, nor was a price mentioned.

It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

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zephyr 
2/7/08 10:35:03 AM
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it's still a pretty impressive price for a handset with those capabilities.

Of course we all know that here, the handset price is only half the equation, ie for some uses, an $80 cap plan with $0 up front might offer better value due to the bundled data costs, than spending (at least) A$600 on the handset and getting a non-bundled A$50/mth cap plan with lower data costs.

What I'm hoping is that there will be plans that are heavy on the data and light on calls... most of my calls are inbound :(


Edited by zephyr: 2/7/2008 10:35:50 AM

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TinBane 
2/7/08 11:02:28 AM
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That's what I hope too. They'll sell a lot more iPhones, on good contracts, if they bundle decent data, and charge excess at a sensible rate.

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zephyr 
3/7/08 3:13:44 PM
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Optus pricing is out.

700Mb on a $79 cap.

Epic. Fail.

http://www.optusiphone.com.au/getdoc/3727f208-955d-4c4a-ad38-b860c9b14e56/post-paid-pricing.aspx

Too much call allowance, not enough data! Why don't they get it?!

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zephyr 
4/7/08 2:41:46 PM
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http://forums.mactalk.com.au/47/52261-official-optus-pricing-information.html

This makes it a tad clearer... (was clear as mud, now it's more like weak tea)

Best I can see there is the $39 Yes plan. $46 including 500Mb of data, bugger all calls, and $7/month repayment on an 8gb over 12 months.

Still, it's not a lot of data, and the excess charges are... excessive. :-)

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