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zephyr 
16/6/08 6:03:37 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
They're expanding the 2100Mhz Network, not the 900Mhz one.



uh uh, not down here, it's all 900MHz. I wish it weren't true, but it is:

This significant expansion of the Optus network will be achieved using 900 Megahertz (MHz) spectrum, utilising High Speed Packet Access (HSPA) wireless broadband technology.

“The Australian landscape is perfectly suited to using the 900MHz spectrum band to deliver high speed mobile broadband. Utilising this frequency, radio signals have a greater reach – enabling better quality and wider coverage across sparsely populated rural and remote areas as well as an enhanced depth of coverage. This also translates into cost efficiencies, with fewer base stations required to cover the land mass between locations,” Mr O’Sullivan said.


http://www.optus.com.au/portal/site/aboutoptus/menuitem.813c6f701cee5a14f0419f108c8ac7a0/?vgnexto

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Linux_Inside V2 
16/6/08 7:44:26 PM
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Well, that sucks :/

It's Tasmanias fault!

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Polarized 
19/6/08 8:57:16 PM
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I am going to try and get one as close to launch as possible.

Optus had a presign up thingy which has been closed due to too many people wanting one, so my guess is it selling out lol


And when i read that the iPhone was 850mhz and not 900mhz i was actually surprised, Australia and the US are the only 2 countries that use the 850, all of Europe for example us 900 for their ruralish areas afaik

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iain671 
19/6/08 9:12:53 PM
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Hey zephyr - this ought to cheer you up :P

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23890067-15306,00.html

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Linux_Inside V2 
19/6/08 9:41:23 PM
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Quote by iain671
Hey zephyr - this ought to cheer you up :P

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23890067-15306,00.html



Even if the article is based off rumour...

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iain671 
19/6/08 9:58:17 PM
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That's tech journalism these days though, isn't it :P

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cg776 
22/6/08 9:29:14 PM
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From the article:
It also operates on the rare 850 Mhz frequency which Telstra's NextG network uses.


So you Tasmanian devils should be fine...
I just want there to be some decent competition in the plans.
Failing that, don't they have to sell unlocked iPhones in Australia anyway, like in Germany or Austria or France (I forget which one has that law)?
Even if it does cost ~$900 up-front unlocked, its still cheaper than those plans that Vodafone and Optus are offering compared to staying on my current plan...
Also, does anyone know how I can find out what the frequencies that 3G operates at in my area (Wollongong) for the various carriers?


Edited by cg776: 22/6/2008 9:36:28 PM

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plebsmacker 
23/6/08 12:35:51 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Quote by iain671
Hey zephyr - this ought to cheer you up :P

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23890067-15306,00.html



Even if the article is based off rumour...



I certainly hope they are.

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zephyr 
25/6/08 11:32:49 PM
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Quote by cg776
From the article:
It also operates on the rare 850 Mhz frequency which Telstra's NextG network uses.


So you Tasmanian devils should be fine...



pfft, you're joking right? Telstra? you call that fine? I'll turn the bloody thing on and within 30 seconds I'll be paying 25c/kb or something stupid like that! :-p

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pheyo 
27/6/08 10:34:42 PM
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Well im not sure what all the fuss is about.
I bought a 2G iPhone few months back from ebay.

everything works perfectly apart from voice mail feature.
Not a big thing to be honest, but gotta tell ya....been the best phone I've had to date...free 3rd party software are awesome..

Just wait for Ziphone to bring out the 3G crack! hehe

Apple gotten smarter now, u need to lock yourself on a contract with optus or voda if u wanna get the phone. Thats where they make the $$$


Edited by pheyo: 27/6/2008 10:35:41 PM

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TinBane 
28/6/08 10:22:23 AM
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Apple make nothing off the contracts any more. They've forgone that, to make the iPhones cheaper.

Most of the interest is around the new features of the firmware upgrade, and the GPS.

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zephyr 
28/6/08 3:58:27 PM
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Quote by TinBane
Apple make nothing off the contracts any more. They've forgone that, to make the iPhones cheaper.



I don't believe that for a second. If US$199 was the true retail price, why would you need to lock into a 2-year contract with just about every carrier offering it? You'd be able to walk into an Apple store, buy an iPhone and walk out if that were so.

Fair enough they might not be making a trailing monthly commission, but you'd be silly if you didn't think they're getting more than US$199 out of the carriers for each handset. Then it's up to the carrier to structure their plans to defray the actual amount they pay to Apple.

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Slace 
28/6/08 6:05:36 PM
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From everything we're hearing you should expect Telstra to be shipping iPhones just after July 11 ;)

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TinBane 
28/6/08 6:19:11 PM
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Quote by zephyr
I don't believe that for a second. If US$199 was the true retail price, why would you need to lock into a 2-year contract with just about every carrier offering it? You'd be able to walk into an Apple store, buy an iPhone and walk out if that were so.

Fair enough they might not be making a trailing monthly commission, but you'd be silly if you didn't think they're getting more than US$199 out of the carriers for each handset. Then it's up to the carrier to structure their plans to defray the actual amount they pay to Apple.



It's been widely reported. They make no money, at least in the US market, from ongoing services, like they did with the 2.5G iPhone. Combined with lowering the cost, this allows the telcos to sell it at $199 on a 2 year contract, which I'm sure Apple puts in place with incentives.

In the 2.5G contract, they got ongoing money from AT&T, in the 3G, they apparently do not.

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zephyr 
28/6/08 10:02:40 PM
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Quote by TinBane
this allows the telcos to sell it at $199 on a 2 year contract, which I'm sure Apple puts in place with incentives.



As far as I can see, this is no different to any other mobile plan you can get in Australia where the upfront doesn't necessarily match the real cost of the handset... I know you don't think that when you get a phone on plan for $0 down that the phone is really free to the carrier? Carriers lock people in because they've already paid for the handset and need to recover their cost.

Given the success of the last iPhone, Apple now has the clout to tell carriers that the most they can charge for the handset upfront is $X, where X is around US$199, but where X doesn't necessarily equal the cost the carrier pays Apple for the unit.

The way I see this is Apple is now pushing the risk of recovering the cost if the phone is unlocked onto the carriers, rather than sharing the risk via a trailing commission.

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iain671 
29/6/08 10:15:52 AM
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I would also suggest that Apple is lowering the profits they make on the handsets themselves, in order to get the handsets in as many hands as possible.

AppStore is where they'll make a motza.

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Linux_Inside V2 
29/6/08 12:22:24 PM
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Quote by Slace
From everything we're hearing you should expect Telstra to be shipping iPhones just after July 11 ;)



From one or two articles that quote no sources?

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zephyr 
29/6/08 2:43:22 PM
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Quote by iain671
I would also suggest that Apple is lowering the profits they make on the handsets themselves



Sure I'd believe that, but not to the point of only making US$30 or so per unit on top of the raw material cost, because that doesn't cover any of the R&D, software or tooling/manufacturing startup. No doubt there's also a very healthy promotions budget, plus the need to have a salesforce to get out and negotiate with all the different carriers.

Conservatively, I'd value the version of OS X they ship at somewhere between US$100-150 per unit, based on the fact that there's been quite a bit of development done on it for iPhone/Touch that needs to be recouped.

It's one thing to re-target a compilation at different hardware, it's a different kettle of fish to get it working in a usable way, considering the limitations of the device.


Edited by zephyr: 29/6/2008 2:44:22 PM

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TinBane 
29/6/08 4:28:23 PM
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Quote by zephyr
As far as I can see, this is no different to any other mobile plan you can get in Australia where the upfront doesn't necessarily match the real cost of the handset... I know you don't think that when you get a phone on plan for $0 down that the phone is really free to the carrier? Carriers lock people in because they've already paid for the handset and need to recover their cost.

Given the success of the last iPhone, Apple now has the clout to tell carriers that the most they can charge for the handset upfront is $X, where X is around US$199, but where X doesn't necessarily equal the cost the carrier pays Apple for the unit.

The way I see this is Apple is now pushing the risk of recovering the cost if the phone is unlocked onto the carriers, rather than sharing the risk via a trailing commission.



Sure. But the handsets are now cheaper, and Apple is now not getting money off service payments. The winners are the consumers, in my book.

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zephyr 
29/6/08 4:50:37 PM
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Quote by TinBane
Sure. But the handsets are now cheaper, and Apple is now not getting money off service payments. The winners are the consumers, in my book.



Cool. I had already credited you with far too much intelligence to belong to the "OMG where is my $200 unlocked iPhone?!" brigade. ;-)

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