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Hackintosh - Guide
TinBane 
7/4/08 10:12:31 AM
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I was wondering if there would be much interest in me posting a guide to virtualising os x. I'd primarily be dealing with running in a virtualised environment, however it would translate into running on some hardware anyway.

Obviously it's more as a challenge, and to learn a lot about how os x works, rather than as a replacement for buying a macintosh, however you can get virtualisation/a proper install to work with 90% of the features of os x.

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Linux_Inside V2 
7/4/08 10:47:38 AM
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Isn't Running OSX/Virtualisation on non-macs against the EULA?

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wilsontc 
7/4/08 11:05:22 AM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Isn't Running OSX/Virtualisation on non-macs against the EULA?



That's what I thought. I know Apple made some attempts to shutdown sites that talked about it a couple of years back, but I'm not sure what the status is now.

I heard that if you buy a retail copy and put an Apple sticker on the case that satisfies the requirements set out in the EULA, but that's probably just hearsay.

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SquallStrife 
7/4/08 11:11:10 AM
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Quote by wilsontc
Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Isn't Running OSX/Virtualisation on non-macs against the EULA?



That's what I thought. I know Apple made some attempts to shutdown sites that talked about it a couple of years back, but I'm not sure what the status is now.

I heard that if you buy a retail copy and put an Apple sticker on the case that satisfies the requirements set out in the EULA, but that's probably just hearsay.



The wording the agreement uses is:

"This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer , or to enable others to do so".

But it doesn't elaborate on that.

On one hand, I doubt this would hold up in court against their clever, expensive lawyers, but on the other, selling boxed copies of OSX is basically free money for them, so I doubt they'd pursue users to begin with.


Edited by SquallStrife: 7/4/2008 11:14:15 AM

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TinBane 
7/4/08 11:15:18 AM
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Quote by SquallStrife
he wording the agreement uses is:

"This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-labeled computer , or to enable others to do so".

But it doesn't elaborate on that.

On one hand, I doubt this would hold up in court against their clever, expensive lawyers, but on the other, selling boxed copies of OSX is basically free money for them, so I doubt they'd pursue users to begin with.



+1

They should have put a clause in about circumventing the TCM.

Seriously though, virtualised on a macintosh is perfectly legal, as I understand it. Running on 'non-mac' hardware with a sticker on it is a grey area. Hell, I've even seen it running on a HDD running through the IDE-hardware of a defunct iPod, through USB, simply as a rediculous example of how 'open' the EULA is.

This is kind of the reason I was asking the question, too. It seems kind of a shame not to do a guide on it out of irrational fear.

In any event, giving more people a (limited) taste of os X can only help apple's exploding market share.


Edited by TinBane: 7/4/2008 11:16:00 AM

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SquallStrife 
7/4/08 11:38:55 AM
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Quote by TinBane
They should have put a clause in about circumventing the TCM.



Good probability that's covered by this:

"Except as and only to the extent permitted by applicable licensing terms governing use of the Open-Sourced Components, or by applicable law, you may not copy,
decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, or create derivative works of the Apple Software or any part thereof."

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TinBane 
7/4/08 12:10:08 PM
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Except doesn't that code rely on open source code, therefore it's fine to modify it. Technically, shouldn't apple supply the source on request?

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SquallStrife 
7/4/08 12:44:25 PM
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I guess that depends on where the TCM module check takes place... I haven't looked into that.

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Slace 
7/4/08 8:50:30 PM
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I'd be interested, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to run OS X in a virtual machine... except of Leopard Server which must be run virtually on an OS X server.

Because, if you think about it, regardless of the underlying hardware the hardware used by the virtual machine is not Apple hardware, which is why the virtualisation is illegal. Take VMWare for example of virtualisation, I can create a machine under VMWare Fusion but then load it up in VMWare Workstation or VMWare Player. So the same machine will run without any dramas on OS X, Windows and Linux. So my virtual machine is no longer tied to Apple hardware.

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toru173 
8/4/08 1:26:31 AM
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I think the EULA for server allows virtualisation, but not for the normal 'home' edition. I've played around with it a little myself (I manually edited my copy of 10.4.6 I got with my iMac - thems were the days!), but I don't think there's much need for a guide.

As I understand it, what you get these days will almost run on (or in) anything. It just depends on what you use as your starting base

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Ulrik100 
8/4/08 7:43:55 AM
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I'd be interested to have a look.

I was thinking the other day should i bay amac and Dual boot to Windows/linux or buy the PC and throw leopard on it and see what happens.

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Slace 
8/4/08 8:50:03 AM
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Quote by toru173
I think the EULA for server allows virtualisation, but not for the normal 'home' edition.



Only as of OS X 10.5 (Leopard), which is why it was such a big deal when the VMWare Fusion and Parallels teams both showed off running OS X Server at Macworld earlier this year.
They were both in alpha stages because prior to that point it was not allowed to be done.

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Ulrik100 
8/4/08 8:11:27 PM
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just a question on this.....what would be required to make a hackintosh?

would OSX be likely to run on CPU's that MAc itself does not use? what about AMD CPU's

i have an AMD PC and am getting fed up with XP. And i already have the stickers from the Ipod ibought.

guess it wouldn't like my SBlive sound card though.


Read at your peril... http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack/build-a-hackintosh-mac-for-under-800-321913.php


Edited by Ulrik100: 8/4/2008 8:17:48 PM

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TinBane 
9/4/08 10:18:08 AM
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Ulrik: You will get the best compatability with hardware similar to a mac pro.

P35/X38 and i assume X48 mobos work with near perfect compatability, if you put a few kexts in.

I'd search for "osx86 athlon" and "osx86 <your mobo>" and see what results you get. As long as it has SSE3 or at least SSE2, then you will be fine.

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AIMBOT 
9/4/08 10:21:57 PM
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I'm currently running an old arse machine, so no TinBane, I'm not interested. /goes and sits in corner

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SquallStrife 
10/4/08 9:15:51 PM
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P965 chipsets are good too.

I should know, I'm posting from OSX! ;)

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Ulrik100 
11/4/08 12:23:52 PM
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Quote by SquallStrife
P965 chipsets are good too.

I should know, I'm posting from OSX! ;)



What are you using for sound?

onboard or PCI?

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The_Hawk 
15/4/08 1:44:00 PM
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Quote by Slace
I'd be interested, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to run OS X in a virtual machine... except of Leopard Server which must be run virtually on an OS X server.



Try and find a VM solution for OS X...

I'd love to be able to load up Leopard in a VM on my PC so I can test things and play with settings without screwing up my wife's Macbook. Sadly I can't :(

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Mister_T 
15/4/08 7:05:22 PM
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Hmm okay, well I voted no way. Who cares about running OS X on commodity hardware? If you buy a Mac, it comes with OS X and that is nice. But otherwise, there are better OSes to run. Like BSD. Which is largely what OS X is anyway.

Summary of my argument: what is the actual point; why bother?

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siegfried 
15/4/08 7:38:44 PM
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Personally? I'd bother, because it is a nicer environment to work in, and it does/supports everything I need, and to be honest, I've given up on *nix by and large, because I can't be bothered with the hassles/incompatibilities/fuss any more, and want a new challenge.

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