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EEEPC 701 or Aspire One?
f00 
20/8/08 10:58:27 PM
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My partner is after a small netbook in the next few days, and I think it's between the 701 and the Aspire One..

Seems most places are $299 for 701, or about $400-450 after cashback for the Aspire.

How does the seemingly subpar SSD compare with the standard 701? It will basically be for international travel; ie. booking hotels, researching, bit of music, email, skype etc

Also, is the wireless better in the 701?

It seems to me the sweet spot is in the Aspire, however it is still 50% more in price. Makes me wonder if it's really needed for basic stuff overseas?

Cheers guys.

Wade

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tantryl 
20/8/08 11:05:31 PM
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Aspire is completely un-upgradeable last I checked, with RAM & HDD/SSD inaccessible and soldered into place. Other than that it is a nice balance of cost and function.

I imagine the wireless is about the same on both. Any particular reason you ask?

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f00 
21/8/08 1:29:34 AM
Champion

Quote by tantryl
Aspire is completely un-upgradeable last I checked, with RAM & HDD/SSD inaccessible and soldered into place. Other than that it is a nice balance of cost and function.

I imagine the wireless is about the same on both. Any particular reason you ask?



Thanks tantryl.

Noticed on OC that some have complained about flaky connections once the battery starts to get low; And problems connecting in general.

Was just seeing if others have had the same experience.

Wade

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tantryl 
21/8/08 9:39:39 AM
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I think you'd be our first Aspire One owner here on atomic, everyone (myself included) has been getting eeePC 1000H's lately.

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The Tick 
21/8/08 12:02:31 PM
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The MSI wind would be another contender.

It really depends one what she will be using it for. A bit of music as you have suggested is one thing and a small 4GB may not be enough in which case you are probably looking at something with an 80GB HDD (such as the eeePC tantryl suggested).

At least that way you can dump dome divX onto it to for boring plane flights and with something upgradeable such as the eeePC or Wind, you have an upgrade path to drop more RAM in or a new SSD as they become cheaper.

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MrInsaneBuff 
21/8/08 6:53:45 PM
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Mate, get a 901, they are dirt cheap. While i have a 701 i have it so i can mess with its guts. I wouldnt reccommend it for everyday use.

Stay right away from the acer. The Tick is right the Wind is great. Not a fan of the HP mini note. If you hold off till september ASUS are releasing a whole bunch of new EEE's so the current ones will get a bunch cheaper.

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tantryl 
21/8/08 7:47:54 PM
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Quote by MrInsaneBuff
Stay right away from the acer.



... because?

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Jeruselem 
22/8/08 1:48:47 AM
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The premium EEE is called the ASUS S101 which is attempting to get into MacBook Air market.

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bnew 
22/8/08 10:13:34 AM
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Quote by tantryl
Aspire is completely un-upgradeable last I checked, with RAM & HDD/SSD inaccessible and soldered into place. Other than that it is a nice balance of cost and function.

I imagine the wireless is about the same on both. Any particular reason you ask?



Just to correct this- the Aspire One IS upgradeable. The SSD is NOT soldered into place. Regarding the ram, there is 512mb DDR2 that is soldered into place, but there is also a spare DDR2 slot that can take up to an extra 1gb of DDR2.

There were initial reports that the components were soldered into place, but it turns out they aren't.

I've had my Aspire One for a few weeks now and am very happy with it- if you can pick up the linux version for $499 and get the cashback it is an excellent deal.

A word of warning though- getting to the spare ram slot is not easy, you pretty much have to pull the laptop apart. Most people on here will be able to do it, but don't expect it to be as easy as it is with most laptops that have a dedicated ram slot access cover on the bottom of the laptop (the Aspire simply doesn't have this, hence having to pull it apart to get to the slot).

For further Aspire One info, see here:

http://www.aspireoneuser.com/

Installing extra ram:
http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=635


Edited by bnew: 22/8/2008 10:16:49 AM

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MrInsaneBuff 
22/8/08 10:21:11 AM
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Quote by tantryl
Quote by MrInsaneBuff
Stay right away from the acer.



... because?



Poor build quailty in the main. The materials used in them are cheap and they look and feel it. One drop and it looks like it would shatter.

Also for your money you can buy better speced machines which DO let you upgrade everything you want.

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bnew 
22/8/08 10:56:20 AM
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Quote by MrInsaneBuff
Quote by tantryl
Quote by MrInsaneBuff
Stay right away from the acer.



... because?



Poor build quailty in the main. The materials used in them are cheap and they look and feel it. One drop and it looks like it would shatter.

Also for your money you can buy better speced machines which DO let you upgrade everything you want.



Although I would generally agree with this statement, the Aspire One build quality is actually pretty good, easily up there with the EEEPC.

As mentioned, they are upgradeable- more so than many other subnotebooks. For example, if I had got the 701 like I was planning to I wouldn't have been able to use the spare 512mb DDR2 stick I had lying around, whereas with the Aspire I could. Also, the Aspire has two card reader slots (one SD and one multi) allowing for more 'upgrades' in terms of storage.

EDIT: regarding the wireless mentioned in earlier, the Aspire only supports 802.11b/g, whereas the EEEPCs support 802.11b/g/n.


Edited by bnew: 22/8/2008 10:59:41 AM

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Linux_Inside V2 
23/8/08 8:47:32 PM
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Quote by bnew
Quote by MrInsaneBuff
Quote by tantryl
Quote by MrInsaneBuff
Stay right away from the acer.



... because?



Poor build quailty in the main. The materials used in them are cheap and they look and feel it. One drop and it looks like it would shatter.

Also for your money you can buy better speced machines which DO let you upgrade everything you want.



Although I would generally agree with this statement, the Aspire One build quality is actually pretty good, easily up there with the EEEPC.




+1

Acer has really ramped up the build quality of late and the designs are a lot better than what they used to be.
The Aspire One looks like a great machine, I've heard it is a very good unit but haven't been able to play with one myself yet.

They are well specced, upgradable and cheap. IMHO the EEEPC has way too much hype around it, I found the screen and keyboard way too small and was quite put off after playing with one for an extended amount of time.

the MSI wind is supposed to be good, there's apparently a whole stack of netbooks being produced by other companies that are yet to come out, but at the moment I'd go the Acer Aspire One for Value for money.

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lunchbox1988 
25/8/08 8:28:47 AM
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Value for money??

The 1000H is cheaper, better specced, easily upgraded, is not built by tightarses that won't honour warranty until you make them bleed out of their arses and has loads of battery life out the wazoo.*

*For the purpose of this post, the wazoo is where battery life normally comes from.

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The Tick 
25/8/08 10:21:59 AM
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Well I took my MSI Wind (Black) out for a proper field test yesterday coupling it with my Vodafone USB 3G modem.

Some things I quite like about it.

The keyboard is a good size. Typing on it was pretty easy as this thing has a larger keyboard from what I understand than the smallest eeePC.

The 10" screen is nothing to write home about but using it on the net was adequate to the task and useful enough.

I VPNed into a couple of systems remotely and am now convinced this will be a great tool for offsite emergency repairs. I will need to invest in a small, lightweight USB mouse though.

I found the build quality, while appearing really plastic actually was fairly solid. I didn't have a problem with it on my lap or moving it from lap to table. The controls work ok and except for the fact that I have already bogged down the OS with AV and whatnot it worked pretty well once all was loaded. I didn't have any issues with the battery (6 cell FTW) and for the few hours I used it booting up and shutting down in between I still had 50% left.

The 1.2KG weight (with the 6 cell battery) was fine in my small crumpler messenger bag.

The shortcomings of this notebook however would lead me to investigate something else next time around to see if there is something better.

On the bottom of the battery are two small rubber feet (6 cell battery). One has already gone missing. This shits me to tears as the cost of a 1c rubber foot and the effort to obtain a replacement annoys the crap out of me considering I have been told to contact MSI direct for it. The worst thing about it is that when on a table, it's noticable that the notebook doesn't feel as stable.

Now the next thing that shits me about this notebook may have something to do with the rubber foot or something to do with the overall design. Due to the weight of the screen, the lack of weight from the front of the notebook and the raised bottom from the battery, the notebook tends to overbalance backwards causing the front of the notebook to "lift". If your typing with your palms on the front of the notebook or if the screen is not adjusted too far back this is not a real problem although consider that with the small size of the notebook the screen needs a fairly good backward position to see it unless it it raised.

The mouse is way too small but this might be an issue just with me with all netbooks. My model has all the scrolly functions you would expect from a touch pad (run your finger down the right side of the pad for up/ down scrolling) although some people are reporting that there are models now without this. Considering I bought mine at the start of August I would say there are still models in Aus that are new and still have this functionality.

Future expansion:

I do intend to up the RAM from 1- 2 GB, one day upgrade the HDD once SSD come down in price and to eventually change the wireless card to something with "N" that will also be natively compatible with Linux and Hackintosh OSX. All of these are apparently very simple with youtube clips available for at least the RAM, Wireless and HDD showing you how and a good wiki on Hackintosh for the Wind. Mind you, installing Ubuntu was easy with the same wiki giving clear instructions on getting the onboard wifi working.

All in all though I am happy with my purcahse. I bought this more out of curiosity and a sense of "potential" for a netbook and it didn't hurt that I had a supplier selling these so I got it at wholesale. It worked out $100 cheaper than the Asus for me.

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Vanne 
25/8/08 4:15:07 PM
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*cough* easily the Aspire 1. Build quality to me is extremely important, the EEE still seems like a toy, and the track pad on the EEE (mouse buttons in partiqular) is a piece of shit. The Acer has its issues too,(getting to ram for example) but the larger real estate, better size keyboard large(ish) disk.

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tantryl 
25/8/08 4:32:45 PM
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Tick - sadly the easiest way to fix that sort of rubber foot problem is to rip off all the little feet, measure their diameter/radius, head out to Clark Rubber or wherever and get your own damn feet made and superglue the hell out of them. Doesn't look at good, but it does the job. Yeah. Easiest . Bit of a joke.

Have had to do it for customers occasionally when feet have come off of things like the Antec Sonata II. Massive waste of time, but I harassed the supplier for days before even getting a serious response of "contact Antec". I emailed them and went and got the Clark Rubber thing done. Antec never replied.

Since then I haven't bothered to try and get those kind of replacements.


Edited by tantryl: 25/8/2008 04:35:22 PM

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MrInsaneBuff 
25/8/08 8:08:36 PM
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The ASUS N10 looks mighty sexy. Its dropping in September aswell. There is talk it may have a 300+GB HDD

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The Tick 
26/8/08 8:38:05 AM
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tantryl - yeah that will be my last resort.

The thing that really shits me was that I had found the rubber foot on the floor about 2 weeks ago. I looked around to try and figure where it had come from but didn't realise it was from the notebook. Guess which idiot threw it in the bin?

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lunchbox1988 
26/8/08 10:44:50 AM
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Quote by The Tick
tantryl - yeah that will be my last resort.

The thing that really shits me was that I had found the rubber foot on the floor about 2 weeks ago. I looked around to try and figure where it had come from but didn't realise it was from the notebook. Guess which idiot threw it in the bin?



^ This one?!

Also, I find the Aspireone to feel too heavy and clunky, it might be built to look like it is built better, but the 1000 and 900 series EEE's feel fantastic, I can only recommend playing with a couple of each in stores close to you and seeing which feels better.

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MrInsaneBuff 
27/8/08 8:40:14 PM
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Quote by lunchbox1988
Quote by The Tick
tantryl - yeah that will be my last resort.

The thing that really shits me was that I had found the rubber foot on the floor about 2 weeks ago. I looked around to try and figure where it had come from but didn't realise it was from the notebook. Guess which idiot threw it in the bin?



^ This one?!

Also, I find the Aspireone to feel too heavy and clunky, it might be built to look like it is built better, but the 1000 and 900 series EEE's feel fantastic, I can only recommend playing with a couple of each in stores close to you and seeing which feels better.



Dont have your pants arround your ankles when you do though. Apparently thats frowned upon. My opinion is, if they dont sign post it, then they cant be mad when it happens. The cops dont follow that line of thought though.

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