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Linux_Inside V2 
3/9/08 9:17:00 PM
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Quote by TheSecret
The iPhone can do most of what the iTouch can do, and can still not do basic things other phones can do and have been able to do for years. The iTouch by itself is very cool. The iPhone with the functionality of the iTouch but not a basic phone...not so impressive.



What can't it do that others can besides MMS and Bluetooth OBEX?

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TheSecret 
3/9/08 9:26:45 PM
Overlord
A full browser, eg flash and java, unless there is a browser available which can do this.

Install applications at your discretion.., I realize there are ways around this, but I still think it is an important point. You should not have to jailbreak your own iPhone each time an update comes out.

It can not do video chat.

They, as well as MMS would probably be the main things lacking for me to consider buying one. I really can't understand why thew were left out, even in the second version.

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Linux_Inside V2 
3/9/08 9:43:26 PM
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When do you see a site that uses Flash that isn't to annoy you with stupid shit? (besides youtube which has a native app)

Never needed Java Applets on mine either.

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TheSecret 
3/9/08 9:56:55 PM
Overlord
I am not sure of specific examples, suffice to say the sites I frequent won't work with flash or will appear broken. Bad design, but that's how it is. The main site I need java for would be my university lectures site, an iPhone would be amazing to browsle lectures on, but no can do.

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hill60606 
4/9/08 1:01:13 AM
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Quote by TheSecret
I am not sure of specific examples, suffice to say the sites I frequent won't work with flash or will appear broken. Bad design, but that's how it is. The main site I need java for would be my university lectures site, an iPhone would be amazing to browsle lectures on, but no can do.



Want to link so we can test your claims?

I've had no problems in this area, pretty much any site is accessible including Internet banking and Share trading.

What format are your lectures in?

As I mentioned before PDF's are browsable and resizable, Word and Excel attachments will open in the email client I haven't tried Powerpoint or come across web hosted versions.

If you want to make custom Apps the SDK is available for free, if you get an app passed by the app store YOU GET PAID FOR IT from sales via iTunes, you can give apps away or sell them for as little as $1.19 and iTunes can accept payment by Credit Card or readily available prepay vouchers, THIS HAS THE ADDED BONUS OF PROTECTING SMALL DEVELOPERS FROM PIRACY.

The closed shop model ensures this, the web is full of ripped off java, symbian and Windows mobile compatible software, why shouldn't the developers of this software be paid for it?

Is that what you mean by not "open enough"?

You want to run cracked Tom Tom or something?

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TheSecret 
4/9/08 1:53:48 AM
Overlord
I don't know what a cracked tom tom is, but I would like the ability to run apps at my leisure without apples mandatory approval..., it's a basic freedom I hold dear, and has nothing to do with money.

What do you mean the web is full of ripped of software? Do you mean for example OpenOffice..is that what you consider a ripoff?

My lectures are embedded in a java applet, so I can not access them through the webpage. I guess I could download them on another computer and email them to myself so I could download and watch on the iphone, but it would not be the same. Why not just include java?

I don't own an iphone, so I can't verify right now, but even having a browser without flash causes enough problems, so it would annoy me, especially when it could have been easily included, or should have been able to be included if your own device wasn't restricted from you.

Anyway, you're missing the point, which is if I go to all flash sites they won't work, I shouldn't need a work around.

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is
competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

hill60606 
4/9/08 5:06:30 AM
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I do own an iPhone so if you post a link I can verify it for you, I could even take a screenshot of my iPhone screen and upload it so you can see how it looks.

Links to some of these "all flash sites" which are of such high importance would also be handy so if you wouldn't mind posting them I'd be happy to verify them.

As I said I access many sites including Internet banking which strangely enough works despite running from a JAVA APPLET, or perhaps my bank changed their site and suddenly moved away from Java with the introduction of the iPhone 3G.

Actually there are quite a lot of businesses which provide sites designed specifically for the iPhone, it seems they know where the money is.

By narrowing your definition of an "effective communication device" to an ability to browse Java and flash based sites you have eliminated most of the phones currently available on the market, furthermore basing your ever changing definitions to having the ability of a phone to run Open Office increases that to 100%.

Strangely enough many of the sites that contain pirated phone software often contain a lot of flash based advertising for more dubious sites, usually set up to harvest email addresses by requiring membership registrations.

Now, off you go, go and grab the latest piece of Nokia blandness or whatever and browse your uni lectures, install dodgy software until it becomes unusable and bookmark your flash and java based sites to your hearts content.

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TheSecret 
4/9/08 5:21:20 AM
Overlord
Are you really so naive to think you're bank changed their website to cater to iPhone users?

Try the webbank link from www.cua.com.au, it uses java, does it work with the iPhone? I can't post my universit site as I have to login to access the java site..

How do these look on your iPhone?

http://adventuresoftinger.com/
http://www.bioshockgame.com/ps3/
http://www.scion.com/scionunited/
http://www.homestarrunner.com/
http://www.volkswagen2028.com/

I did not limit my definition of an communication device to a modern webbrowser, I limited it to something any basic phone except the iPhone can do. The iPhone is the odd one out here, and it's fancy interface and screen don't save it from it's flaws, they just divert attention away from them.

You really strike me as a bit of a dunce..., you're asserting that your security is somehow at risk unless apple chooses which applications you have permission to run?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is
competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

The Tick 
4/9/08 9:15:35 AM
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Quote by TheSecret
I did not limit my definition of an communication device to a modern webbrowser, I limited it to something any basic phone except the iPhone can do.



TheSecret, you are really making yourself look stupid here.

"Any basic phone" is your yardstick yet you already stated that your current basic phone cannot do MMS. Does it make it any less capable as a communication device? No. I bet it makes calls like a badarse.

Let's be honest. Your pissy because there are people that hold the iPhone up as some sort of untouchable yardstick for all phones. Those people would be clearly wrong. The reason your making yourself look like a dick is that your arguing with people who DO NOT hold this notion and you cling to an argument that has been answered by the end of the first page of this thread.

We all agree. The iPhone doesn't do MMS. You think it's important that it should? Well it doesn't. If that feature is important to you then go and buy a phone that has it. Simple.

Look at the offerings from HTC or hold off to judge what Android will bring as these may be more to your liking.

Accept the fact that lack of MMS is not part of the criteria that deems a phone ineffective as a communication device. A mobile phone needs to be able to make and receive phone calls. That is it. Anything else is a feature.

All you have done here is argue why the iPhone is not the right device for you . Stop arguing that the iPhone fails as a communication device because (if you read people's responses) it is quite an effective communications device offering new ways of doing so that many many other devices simply cannot.





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Linux_Inside V2 
4/9/08 9:53:47 AM
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+1 To The Tick

Plenty of douchebags will tell you it's the be all and end all of phones, it's not and there are features lacking and things I don't like about the iPhone but I still love it for everything that makes it good
There's no such thing as a one size fits all phone, I don't believe it's even possible

Quote by TheSecret
Are you really so naive to think you're bank changed their website to cater to iPhone users?



ANZ Has - http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m426/Linux_insidev2/photo.jpg

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hill60606 
4/9/08 10:44:26 AM
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CBA has

http://www.webpromos.com.au/commsec/first/

News corp, Fairfax, ABC...

...sites I use on a daily basis.



Edited by hill60606: 4/9/2008 10:48:03 AM

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


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thesorehead 
4/9/08 2:43:35 PM
Guru

Hrm. Lack of external speaker does put a damper on the iPod Touch (FFS it's not called "iTouch"!!) as the superior multimedia player.

How awesome is it that banks are getting on the iPhone bandwagon! That's cool. Maybe in two years' time there'll be a new one with the features I need (and non arse-shafting data plans).

TheSecret - I think we get the point that the iPhone is not for you. It's not for me either. That's fine.

Anybody get to those links he posted, check 'em out? I was surprised to find that homestarrunner.com works find on my N95 - though I have to say that without mouse-like input (say... from a touchscreen) I don't see me playing any of my favourite zombie-survival flash games any time soon...

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TheSecret 
4/9/08 5:57:14 PM
Overlord
Quote by The Tick
Quote by TheSecret
I did not limit my definition of an communication device to a modern webbrowser, I limited it to something any basic phone except the iPhone can do.



TheSecret, you are really making yourself look stupid here.

"Any basic phone" is your yardstick yet you already stated that your current basic phone cannot do MMS. Does it make it any less capable as a communication device? No. I bet it makes calls like a badarse.

Let's be honest. Your pissy because there are people that hold the iPhone up as some sort of untouchable yardstick for all phones. Those people would be clearly wrong. The reason your making yourself look like a dick is that your arguing with people who DO NOT hold this notion and you cling to an argument that has been answered by the end of the first page of this thread.

We all agree. The iPhone doesn't do MMS. You think it's important that it should? Well it doesn't. If that feature is important to you then go and buy a phone that has it. Simple.

Look at the offerings from HTC or hold off to judge what Android will bring as these may be more to your liking.

Accept the fact that lack of MMS is not part of the criteria that deems a phone ineffective as a communication device. A mobile phone needs to be able to make and receive phone calls. That is it. Anything else is a feature.

All you have done here is argue why the iPhone is not the right device for you . Stop arguing that the iPhone fails as a communication device because (if you read people's responses) it is quite an effective communications device offering new ways of doing so that many many other devices simply cannot.








My Phone at the moment is from the year 2000, maybe I should have clarified and said any basic phone in the last 3 years..although even 5 should cover it.

I am not arguing that the iPhone is a yardstick for all phones, I am arguing it has less communication functionality than a $30 phone, which is just a fact. The fact that that functionality is otherwise replaced with cool stuff is fine for the people who like it, then fine.

But I don't see how it can not be subpar as a communications device when it has less communication functionality than a cheap phone. This is not about why it's not right for me, it's the fact that it does not include very basic things, of which MMS is only one.

But people like it and otherwise don't care, so there is nothing left to say. I am however interested how those links worked that I posted..., I thought hill60606 was going to take some photos?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is
competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

kunzie 
4/9/08 7:22:53 PM
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What bugs me most I think is that people who don't want/need the iPhone or are trying to justify other purchases of phones will slate the iPhone. iPhone users on the other hand will defend their phone of choice, but not comment negatively on other phones.

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theflyingswan 
4/9/08 8:55:31 PM
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Why have to defend whats your choice though? Whats good for me is not for someone else,I love my iPhone and couldn't give a feck if someone agrees with me or not.

Likewise why would I bag someone elses choice? Its what they choose..

Ford v Holden,Intel v AMD,Nintendo v Sony etc....

You can crap on forever about which is best but at the end of the day what YOU want is the only thing that matters.


:P


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TheSecret 
4/9/08 9:39:22 PM
Overlord
hill60606,

Just to confirm, those sites worked ok?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is
competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

Girvo 
4/9/08 10:20:25 PM
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Quote by kunzie
What bugs me most I think is that people who don't want/need the iPhone or are trying to justify other purchases of phones will slate the iPhone. iPhone users on the other hand will defend their phone of choice, but not comment negatively on other phones.



Bull. Shit.

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hill60606 
4/9/08 11:19:17 PM
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Quote by TheSecret
hill60606,

Just to confirm, those sites worked ok?



Those sites also don't work on my 64bit Linux based PC, unless I run 32 bit plugins in a 32 bit browser.

As I said most sites work fine especially the one's I access on a daily basis.

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

TheSecret 
5/9/08 4:40:39 AM
Overlord
Funny, they work fine on 64bit linux here.

See, unlike your iPhone, you can install and configure your machine so those sites do work.

I think everything that can be said has been said.

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is
competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

hill60606 
5/9/08 7:09:39 AM
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Quote by TheSecret
Funny, they work fine on 64bit linux here.

See, unlike your iPhone, you can install and configure your machine so those sites do work.

I think everything that can be said has been said.



Oh really, would you mind telling me how you got the SHOCKWAVE plugin required for the Volkswagen site to work, I'd be most interested to know.

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

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