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Girvo 
8/9/08 11:18:35 PM
Immortal

In a perfect world, I'd agree with you 100%. This is not a perfect world :P

Companies have shown time and time again that they abuse patents and IP.

If a company creates X product, but wants to charge too much for it, then another company should be able to fill that gap.

They very rarely can, whilst respecting abstract software patents. This is bad for consumers, and I believe their needs should be of at least equal importance to those of companies.

If we're talking backyard inventors like your post suggested, well I can see where you are comong from. but that is very rarely the case, and you know it ;)

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TheSecret 
8/9/08 11:25:16 PM
Overlord
Girvo,

I would be interested in your input here. I am in the process of starting a new business, and the only way I can make money is with a software patent. It is for quite a new software idea, or at least a drastic change to an old one. Evolution is a better word.

Now, I plan to make most of the cash from support and subscriptions, but still have to charge something for the product. I plan to Open Source what I can, and support development of certain OSS that benifits me in return.

The problem is, without a software patent, the business would fail. Do you have any ideas for a new business to make money on a new technology without owning the rights to it, and stopping bigger companies from making their own versions?

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Girvo 
9/9/08 8:51:43 AM
Immortal

Have you heard me say "Get rid of software patents!"? ;)

I don't like them because they are abused, not because they're fundamentally wrong.

I think it's my inner hippy coming out.

:P

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Tergor 
9/9/08 11:05:09 AM
Serf

Hey guys, I'm still new so go a little easy, eh?

TheSecret, I've just read the whole thread, and, while I agree with you that MMS is a completely mystifying omission in the iPhone, the way that you're saying this comes across as quite irritating. By saying that lack of MMS == subpar communications device, you're implicitly saying that people who buy it are wasting their money and/or are stupid.

I've got one and quite enjoy using it for the most part. I previously had a O2 XDA Atom for about two years and got totally sick of it crashing at least once a day. In that time, I sent zero MMS messages. For me, the lack of MMS in the iPhone was completely irrelevant. Sure, it's weird that they left it out, but I don't care about a feature I never use.

But it's really irritating to come here and read your argument and feel like you're implying that because my phone doesn't have a feature that I never use anyway, that I've wasted my money.

As I said before, I'm really quite happy with the iPhone, particularly as compared to the Atom. It's just nice to have a phone that doesn't crash when the battery gets below 80%.

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Girvo 
9/9/08 11:18:31 AM
Immortal

Well said Tergor, and welcome! :)

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thesorehead 
9/9/08 11:35:04 AM
Guru

Welcome, Tergor!

Girvo - I know, it's not a perfect world.

By "Abuse" do you mean that the rich and powerful Mr Nail will maliciously litigate to protect "his" IP against your backyard spiky-metal operation, regardless of the significant differences and innovations your own spiky-metal design embodies? I agree on that point - but that kind of abuse of the legal system is seen wherever there is such a great difference in power between the two parties.

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Girvo 
9/9/08 11:49:21 AM
Immortal

Bingo, you've hit the "nail on the head"!



Oh dear god that was punny. :P


The real gripe I have with software patents, is that patents keep getting granted for increasingly abstract concepts [scrolling being a good example].

If someone was to be granted a patent on say, a media manager that syncs with iPods, that's a little more specific and makes sense to me. A patent on using checkboxes in an application? Not so much.

Nothing bad has happened *yet*. But they have the power already, and that scares me.

Like I said though, there's not much we can do about it, so for all my whinging I don't really care too much.

:)


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thesorehead 
9/9/08 11:54:56 AM
Guru

lawl

Didn't MS get a patent for the left-click, or something equally absurd back in the late '90s?

I'm sure there are a whole slew of absurd-sounding patents out there either granted or pending.

Yeah IP isn't perfect. But as with all other areas of life it's the honest, hardworking underdogs that get shafted. It's a problem that's bigger than law - it's society that needs to make the change.

I find it very interesting that Japanese artists and animators constantly borrow and use each other's work (typically with nothing more than an acknowledgment and confession of love for the original) without any apparent ill consequences.

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bastard 
9/9/08 12:02:22 PM
Titan

Quote by TheSecret
I have a lot of criticisms about the iPhone..to the point where I thought it was plain idiotic to buy one. This was hoever when I was living in new york, and working with people who dolled out massive amounts of cash for the first generation device. I am not sure exactly what has changed with the newer versions, so I am going to list my criticisms, and would like peoples responses.

I am not trying to start a flamewar, I am just interested if whatI list is still an issue, and if it is not why not, I won't prolong the discussion any more than that.

The problems I perceive to be are:

Price. As with all apple products, a lot of the price is for the Apple name, equivilant phones are a hell of a lot cheaper.

Vendor Lockin. Apple chooses what software is acceptable for you to run on your phone. Jailbreaking result in bricking?

No MMS. Quite lame to be left out, but not sure if it is still an issue.

Subpar browser.., no flash etc

3G support..., there is now 3G support, but is it comparable to other top of the line 3G phones?

Recording options, video, audio etc. Absent. ?

Voice Dialing. Absent as far as I know.

When I last used an iPhone, it was not possible to copy and paste text. This was all the more infuriating because I think the on screen keyboard was complete shit. Is this actually one of the main reasons for buying an iPhone?

Custom Ringtones ... Not possible?

2MP camera in the age of 5MP cameras on phones? Is it better now?

Battery Life...5 hours right?

Security. the iPhone is trivial to break into, or has this been remedied somehow?


Edited by TheSecret: 2/9/2008 12:03:28 AM




Included the message because I'm not getting into the argument.

You missed completly borked bluetooth (only supports headsets) and it being unable to act as a 3G modem.

The on screen keyboard is better now though.

I am still getting one, I just had to debate what features are missing that are going to impact me.

The browser is good, the lack of flash and java support is bad.

MMS is not an issue for me, really because it supports Exchange active sync which will be used to send photos etc...

The biggest thing you will find, from a technical standpoint is that techy people don't like it because it really is missing a lot of features that most smart phones have.

But in saying that, my current phone can act as a nextG modem for my PC and I have set it up and never used it.

What it comes down to for most users is this (forgetting the MP3 player side of things):

How quickly can I look up a number and make a call?
How easy is it to get my email?

The iphone really does beat the crap out of any windows mobile device on that front at this stage.

I agree the omission of voice recognition out of the box is a goddamn safety problem for car drivers. Granted that you can get a 3rd party bit of software but that is no excuse for leaving it out.

Price is pretty comparable to my mind. 8GB of storage and a 620Mhz processor with 128 MB of RAM is alright for $750. Although the lack of being able to expand memory is shitful.

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TheSecret 
9/9/08 9:23:28 PM
Overlord
Bastard and Tergor(welcome :)),

Both good points, and not much I can say in response.., I do think the iPhone is a stupid waste of money, so it seems we have to agree to disagree.

Hopefully android will make everything better.

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Linux_Inside V2 
9/9/08 10:10:30 PM
Immortal

Quote by TheSecret
Hopefully android will make everything better.



Personally I don't see how Android can make you any less an Arrogant Jackass.

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TheSecret 
9/9/08 10:26:37 PM
Overlord
I'm not arrogant, I'm confident. That is the difference between us, that and the lack of knowledge and excess zeal from your side.

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