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iPhone Criticisms
TheSecret 
2/9/08 12:01:56 AM
Overlord
I have a lot of criticisms about the iPhone..to the point where I thought it was plain idiotic to buy one. This was hoever when I was living in new york, and working with people who dolled out massive amounts of cash for the first generation device. I am not sure exactly what has changed with the newer versions, so I am going to list my criticisms, and would like peoples responses.

I am not trying to start a flamewar, I am just interested if whatI list is still an issue, and if it is not why not, I won't prolong the discussion any more than that.

The problems I perceive to be are:

Price. As with all apple products, a lot of the price is for the Apple name, equivilant phones are a hell of a lot cheaper.

Vendor Lockin. Apple chooses what software is acceptable for you to run on your phone. Jailbreaking result in bricking?

No MMS. Quite lame to be left out, but not sure if it is still an issue.

Subpar browser.., no flash etc

3G support..., there is now 3G support, but is it comparable to other top of the line 3G phones?

Recording options, video, audio etc. Absent. ?

Voice Dialing. Absent as far as I know.

When I last used an iPhone, it was not possible to copy and paste text. This was all the more infuriating because I think the on screen keyboard was complete shit. Is this actually one of the main reasons for buying an iPhone?

Custom Ringtones ... Not possible?

2MP camera in the age of 5MP cameras on phones? Is it better now?

Battery Life...5 hours right?

Security. the iPhone is trivial to break into, or has this been remedied somehow?


Edited by TheSecret: 2/9/2008 12:03:28 AM

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hill60606 
2/9/08 12:26:45 AM
Immortal

Price. As with all apple products, a lot of the price is for the Apple name, equivilant phones are a hell of a lot cheaper.

-About the same as other high end phones, if you're concerned about price there are plenty of sub $100 phones available.

Vendor Lockin. Apple chooses what software is acceptable for you to run on your phone. Jailbreaking result in bricking?

-So you plug into iTunes and hit restore... back good as new with your legitimate apps.

No MMS. Quite lame to be left out, but not sure if it is still an issue.

-You can email larger photo's or pictures downloaded from the web, who send's MMS's anyway? It's only become an issue since the iPhone was released.

Subpar browser.., no flash etc

-Subpar to what? Full webpages resized by using two fingers on the screen.

-How does Youtube work without flash?

-How come you can use Java based webpages?

3G support..., there is now 3G support, but is it comparable to other top of the line 3G phones?

Yes, apart from video calls.

Recording options, video, audio etc. Absent. ?

-Buy something else if this is important, end of story. However you can download movie and TV shows from iTunes WITHOUT having to worry about PIRACY.

Voice Dialing. Absent as far as I know.

-Who uses it, from my experience it is useless anyway with wrong numbers common on most phones that support it, it's pretty easy to touch a contact, there is an app which displays your contacts as photo's, just touch one to call them.

When I last used an iPhone, it was not possible to copy and paste text. This was all the more infuriating because I think the on screen keyboard was complete shit. Is this actually one of the main reasons for buying an iPhone?

-Again if this is important don't buy one

Custom Ringtones ... Not possible?

-Easy as and you can sync them through iTunes, all it takes is changing on letter in a file extension.

Security. the iPhone is trivial to break into, or has this been remedied somehow?

-As in? I set a passcode on my iPhone, when it comes out of standby the code has to be entered, double clicking the home button opens the music player so someone could see what songs I've got. If you were stupid you could set it to open your favourites i.e. speed dial list.

There are also encrypted safe type applications available for personal information.



Edited by hill60606: 2/9/2008 12:41:18 AM

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TheSecret 
2/9/08 12:34:37 AM
Overlord
So more than half of what I listed is still an issue, but your fine with it. I just don't understand paying for a phone that can't do half of the stuff every other phone can. Plenty of people use MMS, want to have 3rd party applications, video calls, record things and copy and paste text.

I guess the problem I have is it advertises itself as an all in one device, better than what else is available, when it is, at the least, technically subpar.

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hill60606 
2/9/08 12:37:39 AM
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Quote by TheSecret
So more than half of what I listed is still an issue, but your fine with it. I just don't understand paying for a phone that can't do half of the stuff every other phone can. Plenty of people use MMS, want to have 3rd party applications, video calls, record things and copy and paste text.

I guess the problem I have is it advertises itself as an all in one device, better than what else is available, when it is, at the least, technically subpar.



Whatever, go buy a Nokia like your grandmother probably does.

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Girvo 
2/9/08 12:55:11 AM
Immortal

I'd like to point out that the Opera browser is on-par, if not *better* than Safari. It's in Beta, can't wait until it's ready to go v1.0 :)

I *still* reckon that two fingered zooming, while cool, is a gimmick. :P

The iPhone's YouTube page works without flash, by utilising MPEG4 streaming I believe.

Windows mobile has a homebrew full flash YouTube client which works well :)




His other points, well most are superflous, but C+P is at least handy, if not anything else.



Also: I send MMS's on a regular basis. It's handy, and instant for those who don't have a data plan.

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kunzie 
2/9/08 4:16:24 AM
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Quote by Girvo
I *still* reckon that two fingered zooming, while cool, is a gimmick. :P



OMG Girvo, stop talking! :P

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hill60606 
2/9/08 7:52:22 AM
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Quote by Girvo

I *still* reckon that two fingered zooming, while cool, is a gimmick. :P

:)



Well, I reckon the mouse on computers is a gimmick, young man, back in my day we managed perfectly well with only a keyboard.

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Girvo 
2/9/08 9:04:12 AM
Immortal

As do I. Still.

:P


[well certainly for the most part. I spend half my time in the terminal or emacs these days!]

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The Tick 
2/9/08 9:14:20 AM
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Quote by TheSecret
Price. As with all apple products, a lot of the price is for the Apple name, equivilant phones are a hell of a lot cheaper.



As mentioned, comparable. There may be a premium with this product although the offerings from vendors allow for rebates or nominal monthly payback options depending on the vendor.


Vendor Lockin. Apple chooses what software is acceptable for you to run on your phone. Jailbreaking result in bricking?



When you purchase the phone, ask for it to be unlocked from the carrier. It happens in about 5 - 10 working days regardless of your contract. As for jailbreaking, I haven't done it as I haven't found an app that wasn't available from the store for free or for a nominal price that hasn't given me what I wanted.

I am sure there are some out there that people need so jailbreaking is an option.

The ideaology behind the closed architecture and the requirements of running it via the App store which should mean once released an app should be stable (well as stable as proper testing allows and adherence to the SDK terms) means more to me than a buggy app thrown onto a Windows mobile platform that crashes. I have been there on more than one occassion and realise I can't do business on a phone like that (stares at Dopod D810 sitting next to him).


No MMS. Quite lame to be left out, but not sure if it is still an issue.



This does kind of irk me a little. Once in a blue moon I might get an MMS from my wife as she has just snapped a picture of one of the kids doing something cute on her phone.

Still, with bluetooth she can sync it to her computer and simply email it to me so it's not really a big deal for me personally.

Like most phones though, it's a feature worth weighing up if it is nice to have or need to have. There is no perfect phone.


Subpar browser.., no flash etc



Sure there is no flash but the browswer is the best I have ever used on a mobile product period. Despite Girvo clearly having nfi :P - the two finger resizing is brilliant IMHO meaning jumping between browsing or RSS feeds or viewing pictures all makes for a brilliant system. I guess it also helps having a decent screen.


3G support..., there is now 3G support, but is it comparable to other top of the line 3G phones?



Yes - when the carrier doesn't cap it of course (glares at Optarse).

I have just switched from Optarse to Tel$lut and there is a marked improvement for reception as well as speed.

For the most part, the push email services don't require copious amounts of speed. It really comes down to general browsing or pulling photos from a gallery or youtube where the speed can be noticed.


Recording options, video, audio etc. Absent. ?



Video recording is absent. I have never looked for audio recording. I have never used these in a phone before as for the most part the phones I have had over the years have proved to be so shit in this dept that I generally have a small P&S camera on me.


Voice Dialing. Absent as far as I know.



Not as yet although a 3rd part app will most likely come along. Saying that I have never used voice dialling. Even in the car it has been problematic and I find the massive screen more than enough to just touch who I want to dial.


When I last used an iPhone, it was not possible to copy and paste text. This was all the more infuriating because I think the on screen keyboard was complete shit. Is this actually one of the main reasons for buying an iPhone?



The on screen keyboard is fantastic. I have found ever person who has said "the keyboard is shit" when I actually gave them my phone to try found that in about 5 mins or so they actually found it ok. Give the person 15 mins and they were actually enjoying it.

Copy and paste - no it's not there but I would say that it will be present at some point considering it's one of the features that ever person complains about.


Custom Ringtones ... Not possible?



Yes it is very simple.


2MP camera in the age of 5MP cameras on phones? Is it better now?



Anyone who believes they are getting a great result from a 5MP camera on a phone is deluding themselves.

The camera is actually pretty decent for a phone camera.

http://gallery.me.com/uberdruid#100047&bgcolor=black&view=grid


Battery Life...5 hours right?



No - it lasts longer than 5 hours but is totally dependant on your use of the device. Does it have a shorter battery life than any other phone I have used? Yes. Can I accept the trade off for the other features it gives me? Yes. Do I have work arounds in place if I find I have used the phone so much that the battery is dying 3/4 of the way through the day? Yes.


Security. the iPhone is trivial to break into, or has this been remedied somehow?



Security seems fine to me. One minor exploit has been explained already so I won't cover it again.

Every phone on the market today is the result of a trade off of something. THERE IS NO PERFECT PHONE. You make a list of need to have and nice to have and find the product that fits the closest.

So, you have covered off everything you deem as a deficiency but haven't bothered citing reasons why the iPhone is actually a good device.

GPS - works well although no turn by turn maps (yet). I really don't care though as it works fine for what I want to do. It's also handy when you have apps which can use the GPS to pinpoint your location and email that to another iPhone user to find where you are. Very handy when trying to meet someone for a coffee around Docklands which is oh so confusing.

Display - I have NEVER seen a phone with a better display than this.

iTunes - I personally find iTunes a great way to store, catalogue music and video. Playlists are easy to maintain and smart playlists are a godsend. Video is easily converted if it was obtained in a format not suited to the iPhone. I find that having a device supporting a limited type of formats = less chance a 3rd party plug in crashes the phone (curses Dopod D810 again). The coversion is simple enough and the content downloaded in the native format plentiful from legitimate sources.

Playback of media - again as mentioned above it works well and looks great. Watching eps of TV shows on any mobile format is not what I consider optimal but with such a large screen it is possible with this device. If the phone rings, the video stops, you take the call and when you come back the video is paused at the spot when the phone rang. It works unlike some other phones I have tried. I again cite the tight controls on the development of apps as a GOOD thing for stability.

App Store - I would sex this method of delivery of apps if I could. There is nothing more simple IMHO.

Mobileme - as an extension to the phone this is a wonderful way to keep computer and phone in sync as well as having push email without the need for Exchange. The gallery I listed above were pictures sent directly from my phone once they were taken.

Exchange support - need I say more? The ease of setting this up VS a Windows mobile enabled phone was so much easier.

I really need to do some work or I could be crowing about the good features of this device until knock off time.

Just to be fair I am not totally happy with the device. There are some fundamental things that are missing which make it a shame and I am hoping for a fix.

Sending contacts - there is no way (currently) to send my contact details from the phone to another phone or email address. This really needs to be fixed.

Invite attendees - Cannot invite attendees to meetings. This phone could never be considered a business tool without this.

I really need to get back to work.


Edited by The Tick: 2/9/2008 10:04:39 AM

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Girvo 
2/9/08 9:28:57 AM
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Sorry, was posting in the meme thread :P


I'd like to second his love of the screen. Until the XPERIA hits, this thing is the best. Even then it still might be, simply because it's capacitive.

Also Tick, you should really dump WM6/6.1 on your Dopod. They fixed a lot of gripes that you had with WinMo. :)

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Linux_Inside V2 
2/9/08 9:29:53 AM
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Quote by Girvo
I *still* reckon that two fingered zooming, while cool, is a gimmick. :P



Yeahh yeahh, we'll come back and see what you have to say when HTC's Android phones are doing this

Can't wait for android, if anything to give apple a kick up the arse and add more features to the iPhone!

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Girvo 
2/9/08 9:38:02 AM
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Here's hoping eh. Thing is, many of it's "advantages" come from being Open. I doubt the iPhone is going to head down that road anytime soon, heh.

Even if a new Android HTC phone gets it, I will *still* think it's a gimmick. Double-tap works fine for zooming for me. :P

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thesorehead 
2/9/08 9:45:42 AM
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I would almost take all the advantages of the N95 8GB that I have now (including, but not limited to a hardware keypad, better camera, MMS and wicked-sick data plan) and swap them over for the iPhone's GPS.

Nokia Maps has only ever located my position twice. That was in a semi-rural area of Sydney and it took 12 or so minutes to find where the heck I was. It's never worked in suburban areas, didn't work at an open-air train platform (waited almost half an hour for it to resolve its satellite fixes into a GPS position), once I walked for about an hour and a half waiting for it to pick up a signal - no dice. Frakin' useless, except as a street directory.

Mate brought out his iPhone 3G whilst sitting on a porch (under cover, alongside a brick building) and in about a minute it had us sitting in the carpark about 15 metres away. Nice.

I still believe the N95 is a better phone for me than the iPhone. MMS, video recording, physical buttons (I touch type ~90 wpm, but hunt-and-peck on an iPhone/smartphone QWERTY is slower than using my T9 predictive text skills), standard USB and some cool apps of its own (check this one out: http://www.motvik.com/ ) keeps the iPhone at bay.

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Girvo 
2/9/08 10:03:37 AM
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Heh, the N95's GPS is somewhat flaky. My TyTN 2's GPS was damned good however, with QuickGPS installed [it's A-GPS] it had a lock within 20 seconds. That + Turn-by-Turn was great :)

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TheSecret 
2/9/08 10:11:01 AM
Overlord


As mentioned, comparable. There may be a premium with this product although the offerings from vendors allow for rebates or nominal monthly payback options depending on the vendor.



Comparable, but still just slightly too steep, at least IMO.


When you purchase the phone, ask for it to be unlocked from the carrier. It happens in about 5 - 10 working days regardless of your contract. As for jailbreaking, I haven't done it as I haven't found an app that wasn't available from the store for free or for a nominal price that hasn't given me what I wanted.

I am sure there are some out there that people need so jailbreaking is an option.

The ideaology behind the closed architecture and the requirements of running it via the App store which should mean once released an app should be stable (well as stable as proper testing allows and adherence to the SDK terms) means more to me than a buggy app thrown onto a Windows mobile platform that crashes. I have been there on more than one occassion and realise I can't do business on a phone like that (stares at Dopod D810 sitting next to him).




I did not mean locked in to a carrier, I know that is not an option, I mean having apple decide which software is acceptable to run or not...its quite a serious limitation, and unacceptable. How would you feel if Apple did that with OS X?

This does kind of irk me a little. Once in a blue moon I might get an MMS from my wife as she has just snapped a picture of one of the kids doing something cute on her phone.

Still, with bluetooth she can sync it to her computer and simply email it to me so it's not really a big deal for me personally.

Like most phones though, it's a feature worth weighing up if it is nice to have or need to have. There is no perfect phone.



OK, Ways around it.., but it's still lame not implementing something so simple.



Sure there is no flash but the browswer is the best I have ever used on a mobile product period. Despite Girvo clearly having nfi :P - the two finger resizing is brilliant IMHO meaning jumping between browsing or RSS feeds or viewing pictures all makes for a brilliant system. I guess it also helps having a decent screen.


Browser is fine, except for what it doesnt support. I have not used either extensively, but Opera on the Nokia N95 seemed pretty swift. And it had flash.

Yes - when the carrier doesn't cap it of course (glares at Optarse).

I have just switched from Optarse to Tel$lut and there is a marked improvement for reception as well as speed.

For the most part, the push email services don't require copious amounts of speed. It really comes down to general browsing or pulling photos from a gallery or youtube where the speed can be noticed.


So this is purely a carrier issue, nothing to do with implementation?



Video recording is absent. I have never looked for audio recording. I have never used these in a phone before as for the most part the phones I have had over the years have proved to be so shit in this dept that I generally have a small P&S camera on me.


Not an issue for some, but for those who have gotten used to even a cheap phone being a good audio recorder for taking notes, its a lame option to leave out.



Not as yet although a 3rd part app will most likely come along. Saying that I have never used voice dialling. Even in the car it has been problematic and I find the massive screen more than enough to just touch who I want to dial.


A third party app if apple decides it's suitable.




The on screen keyboard is fantastic. I have found ever person who has said "the keyboard is shit" when I actually gave them my phone to try found that in about 5 mins or so they actually found it ok. Give the person 15 mins and they were actually enjoying it.

Copy and paste - no it's not there but I would say that it will be present at some point considering it's one of the features that ever person complains about.


I have used the keyboard enough..I still hate it. but one day copy and paste...one day...



Yes it is very simple.


As in an mp3 of your choice for a ring tone?



Anyone who believes they are getting a great result from a 5MP camera on a phone is deluding themselves.

The camera is actually pretty decent for a phone camera.

http://gallery.me.com/uberdruid#100047&bgcolor=black&view=grid


A 5MP Phone camera might not be perfect, but its far, far far above the 2MP iPhone camera.



No - it lasts longer than 5 hours but is totally dependant on your use of the device. Does it have a shorter battery life than any other phone I have used? Yes. Can I accept the trade off for the other features it gives me? Yes. Do I have work arounds in place if I find I have used the phone so much that the battery is dying 3/4 of the way through the day? Yes.


So Lower battery unless you use it less...check.

Security seems fine to me. One minor exploit has been explained already so I won't cover it again.

Fair enough. An example of a recent flaw:
http://gizmodo.com/5042332/huge-iphone-security-flaw-puts-all-private-information-at-risk

Every phone on the market today is the result of a trade off of something. THERE IS NO PERFECT PHONE. You make a list of need to have and nice to have and find the product that fits the closest.


Which is what I don't get. There are phones that can do everything the iPhone does, and cost less..and actually can do more...so where the advantage?

So, you have covered off everything you deem as a deficiency but haven't bothered citing reasons why the iPhone is actually a good device.

GPS - works well although no turn by turn maps (yet). I really don't care though as it works fine for what I want to do. It's also handy when you have apps which can use the GPS to pinpoint your location and email that to another iPhone user to find where you are. Very handy when trying to meet someone for a coffee around Docklands which is oh so confusing.

I actually don't know if other phone can do GPS or not, but I would be suprised if they can't. Regardless, while a cool feature, does not make up for it's other failings as a communication device. They can add GPS but not MMS?

bDisplay - I have NEVER seen a phone with a better display than this.
It's larger by necessity, I would not say it's better in any way..

iTunes - I personally find iTunes a great way to store, catalogue music and video. Playlists are easy to maintain and smart playlists are a godsend. Video is easily converted if it was obtained in a format not suited to the iPhone. I find that having a device supporting a limited type of formats = less chance a 3rd party plug in crashes the phone (curses Dopod D810 again). The coversion is simple enough and the content downloaded in the native format plentiful from legitimate sources.
All of that is fine...except iTunes is not specific to the iPhone.

Playback of media - again as mentioned above it works well and looks great. Watching eps of TV shows on any mobile format is not what I consider optimal but with such a large screen it is possible with this device. If the phone rings, the video stops, you take the call and when you come back the video is paused at the spot when the phone rang. It works unlike some other phones I have tried. I again cite the tight controls on the development of apps as a GOOD thing for stability.
The exclusion of software has nothing to do with stability..it's a poor justification. Any newer phone can play media decently with a similar interface.., again, it does not make up for it's failings as a communications device. For an iTouch, a great point..iPhone not so much.

App Store - I would sex this method of delivery of apps if I could. There is nothing more simple IMHO.
What's hard about syncing?

Mobileme - as an extension to the phone this is a wonderful way to keep computer and phone in sync as well as having push email without the need for Exchange. The gallery I listed above were pictures sent directly from my phone once they were taken.
It's just syncing?

Exchange support - need I say more? The ease of setting this up VS a Windows mobile enabled phone was so much easier.
Many..many phones support this.

I agree it's a promising phone..., and I guess I can see why some people would buy it..., when it's final it might well be amazing. Personally, I don't think I will ever get one until I have the freedom to run what I want on it.

Edit: Fixed formatting..hopefully


Edited by TheSecret: 2/9/2008 10:11:51 PM

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The Tick 
2/9/08 10:21:37 AM
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Quote by Girvo
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Sorry, was posting in the meme thread :P


I'd like to second his love of the screen. Until the XPERIA hits, this thing is the best. Even then it still might be, simply because it's capacitive.

Also Tick, you should really dump WM6/6.1 on your Dopod. They fixed a lot of gripes that you had with WinMo. :)



LOL

I have the latest update available on the phone from HTC (the firmware comes up with HTC logos on it when I did it) which is WM 6.(something).

I did it at the time to enable the onboard GPS.

The GPS on this phone is an example of the issues I have with Windows Mobile and apps that are designed without tight controls which is one of the better reasons that, while there is some functionality missing from the iPhone at the moment, I prefer a slower update path that provides a more stable experience (and yeah, I get the bugs that were there on release of the iPhone but I guess you have to expect that with V1.0 products regardless of manufacturer).

Using TomTom maps + GPS on the D810 was an experience like no other.

Firstly, the movement from TOM TOM to the phone once a call came in was, to say the least, embarrasing. First, it would take so long that callers would sometimes hang up. Second, once I got to answer it, they would often hear an audible beep which would deafen the caller.

Then there was the time I actually used it to (god forbid) get to an appointment.

First, the maps took me to the wrong place. Ok - maybe that wasn't a problem with the phone so much as the maps however, once I managed to work out that I was now 30 mins away from the meeting I should have been at (rang and apologised), I set off in what I believed was the right direction.

Now somewhat anxious trying to navigate morning traffic down Springvale road I am looking at the phone thinking "why aren't I getting any closer to my destination?" Finally I realise that 5 - 10 mins ago, it had hung.

At that point I had had enough of the stupid thing.

I have looked for updates since to make sure the phone was up to date but there has been nothing from HTC since the last update I applied.

My point in my previous post about trade offs though still applies.

I have a dedicated GPS for the car. I have a dedicated P&S camera for the times I want to capture a small movie or a decent photo. I have a DSLR if I REALLY want to get a good photo.

For me the iPhone makes sense. Internet in my pocket that provides a usefulness to my work/ lifestyle when I am away from a computer. Nicely integrated multimedia means I have my photos, podcasts, music and selected video in a unit that remains charged (unlike my previous multimedia players). Available games work well and are of the style I like to play on a portable device.

It all comes down to making a decision based on the facts and not on the brand alone.

I guess I am just getting tired of the people bashing this device purely cause they want to justify why they shouldn't buy it and even more so, I hate the people who want one simply to be perceived as having the "cool device".

Then there is one guy who bought a macbook and stuck a sticker over apple logo because while he saw the advantages to OS X, he didn't want to be labeled as a "yuppie" or some shit.

I am as comfortable with my technical choices as I am with my sexuality and have no need to justify my decisions/ choices to anyone but myself (and probably my wife) :P

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The Tick 
2/9/08 10:45:03 AM
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TheSecret: I have given my opinion based on owning it and using it.

There are some points you disagree and that is fine. I am not expecting you to agree in fact it comes back to my point that there is no phone for every user.

When you say things like:

Which is what I don't get. There are phones that can do everything the iPhone does, and cost less..and actually can do more...so where the advantage?



I don't agree. In terms of white paper functionlity? Maybe. The HTC Diamond is supposed to be a comparible phone but it's not the same. There are differences from size to onboard memory to interface to GUI to simply how it works.

Then you make a statement like this.

I actually don't know if other phone can do GPS or not, but I would be suprised if they can't. Regardless, while a cool feature, does not make up for it's other failings as a communication device. They can add GPS but not MMS?



The assertion that this device fails as a phone is completely wrong. MMS does not make it fail as a phone. Argue feature list if necessary but the phone works fine.

When you make a statement like

All of that is fine...except iTunes is not specific to the iPhone



It shows your missing the point I am trying to make. The way iTunes works in conjunction with the phone is wonderful. The syncing software as part of Windows mobile products or the crap that comes with other manufacturers phones does not compare. Like it or not, the use of iTunes is part and parcel of the overall experience with the iPhone and has to be taken into consideration when your weighing up the benefits/ detriments to a phone.

I am really not going to go over your post point by point as I can't really reply to a comment about "but that's just lame to leave out" considering it's entirely your opinion. If it's important to you then yeah, look for another phone. I am not trying to sell you one but rather point out some flaws in your criticism. Those points where you feel it's a feature you need then by all means you will make the right decision about not purchasing one. Same goes with comments like the screen. I like it, you may not but to say it's bigger as necessity is ridiculous. I say it's a phone that offers a big display which I like. If Apple made a new model which was smaller I wouldn't buy it as it doesn't work with my criteria.

Many phones support exchange functionality (ok not sure how well they do) BUT only Windows mobile devices (I believe) seem support it properly giving access to a variety of administration functions from the server end. While not a complete set, the iPhone also offers this too. I may be wrong in my assumption as I would guess any phone paying to have activesync should include server side admin functionality. Not that this is important to everyone.

Mobileme offers more than just sync. I don't have time to go into every detail but as a user it works very well as an extension to my computer and iPhone with the ability to access information via browser too.

I don't think you understand the App store concept. It's not just syncing. I like the benefit of tight controls, the reason provided in my previous post. If you believe it's the root of all evil then that is your opinion. Perhaps provide some examples as to why open availability of programs = better for all users vs tighter controls and stability which is what Apple are gunning for?

Perhaps you should look at http://www.apple.com for some more information as I don't think you get where this device is coming from.

Then again, don't buy one. Get a HTC touch diamond or something equivalient. It will have better battery life, a higher megapixel camera, a touch display which is "like" the iPhone although you might want to find something with a qwerty keyboard which increases the size/ bulk of course. From your arguments above that is what would work better for you.

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Girvo 
2/9/08 10:47:16 AM
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Wonder what chipset the D810 has? :)


Hey, I don't expect you to justify choices to me, or anyone for that matter.


The iPhone, I cannot afford. That's the biggest issue. I'm a broke student. I also like the freedom to create my own UI's. I made one last night for rlToday, and it looks swanky and works really well. I like to fiddle :)

If I had money? I'd probably have an iPhone. Their screen is just divine. And as you say, the Camera is good enough.

Basically, the only thing that annoys me, is when people put forward these things as features, but the iPhone doesn't do it nearly as good as comparable phones.

That's the only thing that annoys me.

The iPhone does many many things better than your standard smartphone, and for that I'm bloody grateful: it means that other developers have to pull their finger out of their arse and sort out where WinMo/Android is heading :)

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thesorehead 
2/9/08 10:59:00 AM
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Give me a Nokia e70 any day!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

^_^

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hill60606 
2/9/08 3:23:19 PM
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Wtf?

Why was a gizmodo link provided which pointed out a flaw which I'd already addressed in the second post?

Your 5mp camera phone will be pwn'd by the next generation of 8mp camera phones which are on the verge of release, on the basis of your argument that phones are "better" based on camera size you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Having fun on the iPhone knocking bandwagon?

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