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freakonaleash 
29/8/08 3:48:41 PM
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Hey all

so i now own a N95, which i haven't quite been happy with and i think it's time for me to get a new phone.

I am not too sure what i want and what budget i want to look at.

I have been looking at the IPHONE and the HTC TOUCH (and the pro).

I am not sure what i want to get and thought anyone from here could help.

I like havint WiFi and would like something i can play with.

Any pro's/cons to the iphone?
what about the HTC or a similar other smartphone

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mobon 
29/8/08 4:06:55 PM
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HTC diamond touch is a nice alternative to the iphone.

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Linux_Inside V2 
29/8/08 4:34:21 PM
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I don't know about the HTC but I'll list thoughts on the iPhone

The iPhone is definitely a popular device with plenty of accessories already, and lots of quality Applications on the Appstore.
The interface is gorgeous, the screen is bright and vibrant which means that your Photos and videos look great, but so do the Apps!
It will fit in even if you're using a mac, it syncs everything through iTunes which will be a pro or a con depending on what you prefer.
The Browser displays full websites exactly how they'd be rendered on the Safari browser for Windows or Mac and it's easy to browse around and zoom with the multi-touch to make browsing full size sites on a mobile device a breeze.
Now with the addition of Exchange Activesync the iPhone fits right in with the corporate environment and does OTA Syncing of Calendars, Contacts and Emails

The battery life on the iPhone 3G isn't spectacular, you'll find yourself recharging at least once a day
The iPhone does not do MMS or video calling like most other 3G Mobiles.
The camera is 2MP and is alright but not the best and doesn't have a flash
The iPhone's Bluetooth functionality is limited to bluetooth handsfree, no Stereo A2DP no Bluetooth sync or Object Exchange
No Flash support, No Java



Edited by Linux_Inside V2: 29/8/2008 4:35:02 PM

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freakonaleash 
29/8/08 4:57:06 PM
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thanks for the time for the reply.

i live in an windows (and sometime linux) world so mac compatable... meh
Dont use Itunes at all.
dont send/recive many mms, take photo's often and i live in the sticks so no video calling

What is it like for wifi? also, how is it's synch betwenn windows and such?

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Girvo 
29/8/08 9:02:42 PM
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Get an LG KS20 above a HTC Touch :)

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The Tick 
29/8/08 10:09:45 PM
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Quote by freakonaleash
thanks for the time for the reply.

i live in an windows (and sometime linux) world so mac compatable... meh
Dont use Itunes at all.
dont send/recive many mms, take photo's often and i live in the sticks so no video calling

What is it like for wifi? also, how is it's synch betwenn windows and such?



Did you read Linux_Inside V2's reply?

Syncs - Itunes. If you don't use it or prefer not to the iPhone wont be for you.

Plugging in an iphone without iTunes will only allow it to sync photos from the phone (like a camera).

Wifi works fine.

If you want the maximum benefit from it, couple it with an email account. I find the times I want to send a picture is easier via email from the phone than MMS.

Apart from Linux_Inside V2's summary the only other gripe I have had was with Optus and their shitty coverage (+ finding out they are capping the speed on their network for the iPhone).

You will however need some sort of data pack if you really want to get the most out of it. If your in the sticks then NextG would be your best bet unless you Optus/ Vodafone have 2100mhz covering your area (phone won't 3G on their 900mhz spectrum).

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Linux_Inside V2 
30/8/08 11:18:33 AM
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Tick: I've done tests using netshare and wget on my iPhone and gotten speeds of up to 1.5Mbit but the browser slows it down to like 600Kbit all the time, I was guessing there was tonnes of overhead from safari that slowed things down significantly? I'm not sure

Optus uses 3.6Mbit HSDPA afaik so 1.5 isn't so bad to me but Telstra's NextG is 14.4Mbits but I'm not sure what sort of speeds that'd get. I might get a Prepaid Telstra sim and give it a try :D

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The Tick 
30/8/08 5:47:55 PM
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Linux_Inside V2: I have done some extensive speedtests while on Optus and I would get somewhere between 384Kbp/s to maybe 500 if I was lucky

I have recently moved to Teltra and get upwards of 1Mbps

If your interested have a read here:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1040801

There is a part where people have claimed changing the APN suddenly increases speed. I tried it and found that from 380K it went up to 700+

I changed it back in case Optus decided my bill should be higher.

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Linux_Inside V2 
30/8/08 9:23:30 PM
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yeah all I'm saying is that safari has some sort of overheads. Even on wifi it's slower than it should be. NextG is way faster than the rest, which means that even with the overheads it'll still be faster.
I'd link you to my tests and findings but I'm on my iPhone at the moment :P it's on mactalk.

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hill60606 
31/8/08 9:06:54 AM
Immortal

Quote by Linux_Inside V2
yeah all I'm saying is that safari has some sort of overheads. Even on wifi it's slower than it should be. NextG is way faster than the rest, which means that even with the overheads it'll still be faster.
I'd link you to my tests and findings but I'm on my iPhone at the moment :P it's on mactalk.




NextG isn't faster than the rest, Telstra had to pull ads over that statement and replace them with "LARGER AND faster network".

The higher the speed of any phone's mobile network connection, the faster it will drain the battery, this is a major hurdle to overcome as Networks advance.


Edited by hill60606: 31/8/2008 9:08:03 AM

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Linux_Inside V2 
31/8/08 11:50:12 AM
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The NextG network is 14.4Mbit/s HSDPA and the rest are 3.6Mbit/s currently.
I know this is peak speeds but obviously it should still be even a little faster unless the phone caps the speed or the ISP does

I know people are claiming the iPhone caps the speed on their network, don't have the specifics at hand

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hill60606 
31/8/08 1:53:10 PM
Immortal

The phones cap the speed, 10 minute battery life anyone?

It's a trade off.

Speedtest is available from the App store, it would be pointless running it atm as I'm in 2G


Edited by hill60606: 31/8/2008 1:57:20 PM

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Linux_Inside V2 
31/8/08 4:04:35 PM
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Speedtest gives a speed of 200Kbit/sec for me, wget'ing a file from a local server gets me ~1.4Mbit on optus 3G

The test data for speedtest would be stateside

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The Tick 
31/8/08 9:25:36 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2

I know people are claiming the iPhone caps the speed on their network, don't have the specifics at hand



That thread demonstrates a simple change of APN will dramatically increase speed on Optus.


Have tested it and yes it does.

Networks are capping speeds

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Linux_Inside V2 
31/8/08 10:27:49 PM
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Quote by The Tick
Quote by Linux_Inside V2

I know people are claiming the iPhone caps the speed on their network, don't have the specifics at hand



That thread demonstrates a simple change of APN will dramatically increase speed on Optus.


Have tested it and yes it does.

Networks are capping speeds



Sorry my wording was terrible,

The iPhone itself caps the speeds too, I'd read something somewhere that indicated that even if you had a network that'd pump out 14Mbits the iPhone would limit the rate to save battery

In my opinion 1Mbit is fast enough

:edit:

Did some testing, the apn "internet" is definitely faster than "yesinternet" that the iphone uses by default
I got 2Mbit on internet and 1.4 on yesinternet


Edited by Linux_Inside V2: 31/8/2008 10:44:09 PM

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freakonaleash 
1/9/08 6:10:32 AM
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Thanks for all the time for the responses. The Tick I did read LI2's post and i took it into considertation

in the end i gave into the hype and picked up and iphone 16gb, it's the last time they will be available on telstra pre-paid so i am on that now.

but the smarty's gave me a sim card that doesn't work in the phont, the 3g iphone supposedly requires a 3g or above sim card to work. so i now need to get another once cut from the telstra store.

What is legality of programs like jailbreak ect? where can i find a good list of free apss to work with the phone or will i need to jailbreak it?

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Linux_Inside V2 
1/9/08 9:36:27 AM
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Urr whut? my iPhone 3G works with my old 2G Optus prepaid sim that has no 3G service :/

Good choice of phone though, black or white? :D

Jailbreaking is not Illegal, there are plenty of free apps in the iTunes Appstore, or if you jailbreak there's plenty of goodies to be installed with Cydia which is basically the Jailbreak version of an Appstore but everything there is free!

the beauty of the iPhone is that if you screw something up, you can always just restore the firmware back to apple's factory defaults! so it's almost impossible to irriversably break your iPhone 3G with hacks

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freakonaleash 
2/9/08 6:26:14 AM
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not sure what the issue with the card was. i just got no service with the pre paid card they gave me. i went to the telstra store and they wanted to charge me $11 for a new sim. so i "quitly" explain the issue and it was replaced for free

I ended up with a white one as thats all they had. but it looks good.

I have got the jailbreak done, where can i find more sources for apps?

Lastly, any good placed online that i can buy accesories? i would really like a leather case to protect the face. i couldn't get any on the dy as my card had limit of 800 lol... and i live in colac so nothing here

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hill60606 
2/9/08 8:23:27 AM
Immortal

Ebay has heaps of accessories, it's pretty cheap to get them from Hong Kong.

Vodafone shops have quite a big range as do places like markets and accessory kiosks.

The only thing to watch out for is that some iPod car chargers are incompatible, so make sure you can bring it back if it doesn't work.

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His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

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