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HTC Touch...Too Old?
hectic__ 
13/8/08 11:09:26 PM
Serf
I have been asked to select a smart phone for work. At first I was drawn to the iPhone...but I’m not being taken back to the HTC touch. I have previously been interested in purchasing one, however never found the need.

Is the HTC Touch not worth purchasing as its too old? If so, is there any other smart phone's with possible a touch screen or arc keyboard that anyone would recommend? I’m working as a financial planner now and mainly need to access appointments, notes, make calls, sms, retrieve e-mails and occasionally surf the net. I also live in country Victoria, and even though we are not on 3G it would be good to have the ability to upgrade to 3G in the future.

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hill60606 
14/8/08 1:10:23 AM
Immortal

HTC Diamond.

You should also look into the Blackberry.

For email they are hard to beat, due to the way they compress data they work well on 2G networks.

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hectic__ 
14/8/08 8:34:59 AM
Serf
I was looking at the Diamond but as it has only just come out, Im a little skeptic...I have had that many phones that die in the first few months...might have to wait and see on that one!

The only thing that made me shy away from blackberry was there bulky styling...any suggestions on a model thats not gonna dwarf my handbag :P

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The Tick 
14/8/08 4:04:50 PM
Hero
Titan


To be honest if your going blackberry all advice is to go for the "bold". It is new so that may turn you off but for functionality it apparently is the best they have.

The blackberry pearl might be more up your alley as it's a smaller phone although no qwerty keyboard. If you don't plan to do alot of typing from it then you might find this preferable.

http://www.blackberry.com/

I played with the Diamond (a live unit) at the T life store in Melbourne. I gotta say I wasn't impressed at all at the interface or feel of the build.

With regards to your work's IT environment, how are they intending you to hook into their network with this phone? Is it going to be to an exchange envrionment or just syncing with a cable to your computer? If it is an exchange environment make sure they support Blackberries before going out and getting one. The infrustructure is alot different than vanilla Windows mobile support.

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hectic__ 
14/8/08 8:43:04 PM
Serf
We will only be syncing with a cable as we dont ahve any network in place just yet.

Thank you for the advice on the blackberry...might have to wait a few weeks for the bold to make its debut. Another work colegue also told me to look into a LJ KU990, he said that its not much of a smartphone but its functional, has a touch screen qwerty keyboard and supports browsing and organiser. He couldn't tell me if it has e-mail access though....do you or anyone happen to know!?

I really appreciate the input atomicians :)

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hectic__ 
14/8/08 8:50:11 PM
Serf



Edited by hectic__: 14/8/2008 8:50:52 PM

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Disco 
14/8/08 9:29:32 PM
Champion

I'd advise against the original Touch to be honest. Unless you absolutely have to have the wifi in it then the Touch Dual is all that the Touch is, and more. Having had both models (Currently on a Touch Dual) I can't really recommend the original Touch anymore. The Dual is simply faster in all the important ways, and has a real keypad as well, which really does come in handy when you've only got one hand.


I'd also suggest the Diamond, the feature set on it is fantastic (although I personally will probably be going for a Touch Pro when they get here), but I haven't had a physical play with one at all, so take that with a grain of salt.

Also, is this for just you personally at work, or for a few people, and like Tick said, do you already have the Blackberry infrastructure in place if you're looking at Blackberry.

Cheers

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hectic__ 
14/8/08 9:42:30 PM
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Thanks for the advice Disco - The phone is just for me personally at work. I will be qualified at the nd of this year and will be needing to coordinate my work from home and out of the office. I already spend a HUGE amount fo time out of the office and its going to be really handy to hae connectivity via e-mail with our other advisors and admin staff.

No network. Just sync cable from home and office.

Cheers guys!

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800_series 
14/8/08 11:02:55 PM
Titan

My Dad has the blackberry pearl, and for business use he says it's absolute crap.

It's annoying to use, and annoying to type with the condensed keyboard.

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hill60606 
15/8/08 7:37:46 AM
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Quote by 800_series
My Dad has the blackberry pearl, and for business use he says it's absolute crap.

It's annoying to use, and annoying to type with the condensed keyboard.



He might be one of the old school people who turn the dictionary off and he musn't be using the myriad of shortcuts.

There is a reason why Blackberry has 16 million users and is number 1, that is emails come directly to you as soon as they hit your inbox.

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The Tick 
15/8/08 11:31:51 AM
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Titan


If your interested in size comparissons of the blackberry phones have a look here:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/08/blackberry-9000-gets-extended-interface-video-tour/

In regards to having no network, where is your email account located? Is it supplied to you or are you using your own email account?

This is kind of important when considering how your smart phone is going to get email on the fly.

Syncing your calendar and contacts via cable is fine. I am guessing that without an exchange server (or equivalent) as a backend, you don't need access to group messeging services.

So it comes down to email.

Smart phones such as HTC or iPhone can access POP3 and IMAP. Not sure if blackberries can do anything but blackberry so i can't really comment. IMAP is really the only graceful option if your using a traditional email service (rathar than corporate) and trying to keep a notebook/ desktop in line with a mobile device.

The next info assumes your not familiar with how data charges work with mobiles - if you know it, just skip it.

When connection to POP3 or IMAP, your phone will use data over your mobile network carrier. It's important to know how much you will be charged for this data. All carriers usually sell a data pack or data bundle as an option. Explore these options with your carrier when looking at a smart phone. All telcos arse blast for going over your allocated quota.

Blackberry services can be setup in two ways. One, using a BES server within a company network or using services offered by RIM. I am only familiar with the first way and have no idea how the RIM services operate. Again, something worth speaking to your carrier of choice.

Vodafone, Optus and Telstra all support Blackberry. I have no idea about 3.

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techy344 
15/8/08 2:59:26 PM
Apprentice
just something to add, take a look at the samsung i780? im picking one up this weekend.. should be a nice little phone

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Girvo 
15/8/08 7:14:39 PM
Immortal

Quote by The Tick
I played with the Diamond (a live unit) at the T life store in Melbourne. I gotta say I wasn't impressed at all at the interface or feel of the build.



*really tempted to drop iPhone comment here :P

Personally I love the interface. It works the way I want it to. It felt really good in hand, and was a good size. The screen is great, I just wish it was capacitive.


*shrugs

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The Tick 
15/8/08 8:11:24 PM
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Titan


Ah Girvo - feel free to do so :)

I really don't mind. The iPhone is not to everyone's taste, same as the Diamond. While the iPhone's limitations and problems are becoming more apparent, the physical build and the flow (since 2.01 fixed the keyboard response and the weird issues with contacts loading) the thing navigates between settings and through multimedia functions beautifully. That doesn't make up for the buggy radio stack that doesn't seem to perform hand offs between towers properly, flaky 3G reception (although I hear Telstra isn't having the same issues as everyone else) or a shitty battery life.

It is important to remember that there is no such thing (yet) as the ultimate phone. There will always be a trade off somewhere so it is important to get your list of what is essential, nice and not necessary and find a device that fits it.

To be fair I was really looking forward to playing with the Diamond. I had been looking for a store that had a live handset for a while so was excited with the T life store had one.

Now unless they had a shit one, I found that the phone felt light and rather fragile. The interface was klunky and there was a fair delay in moving through photos for example - in fact the whole menu felt like that. Weird pauses and delays all round.

It could have been a dud model although considering the Telstra reps keep pushing it I would think they would have a good example on display.

On paper the Diamond looks fantastic. Maybe my expectations are high since using the iPhone :P

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Girvo 
15/8/08 8:18:28 PM
Immortal

I really don't mind. The iPhone is not to everyone's taste, same as the Diamond.



The absolute key in any discussion. There is no one-phone-fits-all :)

I would only make fun of the iPhone here just to shit-off the fan-boys. 'tis so fun :D

The Diamond is nice, the Touch Pro will be nicer. The best in the WinMo world really, apart from the Omnia i900. That is a nice piece of kit.



EDIT: They've not updated the firmware I'd wager! The original Diamond firmware was flaky and slow. The new one still isn't 100% [what firmware ever is] but improved it 10-fold, from what I can remember.


And you BET it's light :P I found the iPhone too heavy, and it's one of the reasons I got rid of my TyTN 2. :)


Edited by Girvo: 15/8/2008 08:19:59 PM

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The Tick 
15/8/08 10:26:41 PM
Hero
Titan


Quote by Girvo

And you BET it's light :P I found the iPhone too heavy, and it's one of the reasons I got rid of my TyTN 2. :)




But that's cause your a weak girly man where I have plenty of room in my man bag for such things!

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mobon 
15/8/08 11:35:29 PM
Champion
hmm, ive got a diamond touch arriving on tuesday from telstra.
upgrading from a telstra n95-3 which had its own telstra firmware on it, does anyone know if this is the case with the diamond or should it be stock HTC firmware.

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Girvo 
15/8/08 11:38:02 PM
Immortal

Lol @Tick :P Check out how small my new KS20 is ;)


@mobon, It'll most possibly be a Telslut firmware, but it's EASY to remove. Check Xda-developers for more info, or fire me off a PM :)

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mobon 
16/8/08 9:14:52 AM
Champion
yeh does telslut firmware have the lag issues ive been hearing about though.

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Girvo 
16/8/08 10:35:10 AM
Immortal

I'd assume so, if they've customised it based of V1. If it's laggy, report back. My thread on flashing WinMo phones should be here :)

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