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bushi 
28/7/08 6:09:43 PM
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iPhone has the specs of a 4 year old phone.

Big gimmick.

The Wii as a gimmick is nothing compared to the iPhone.

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Milano 
28/7/08 6:35:04 PM
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Best of both (keyboard) worlds..?
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/89411/htc-touch-pro-announced-a-k-a-the-raphael.html

The HTC models appealed to me initially, but every piece of footage i've seen of them shows an annoying amount of delay & momentary freezing. I've also read that the buttons are a little flimsy & need to be pressed in a certain spot to prevent "cross-selecting" other buttons around the one you want. This is by users of the Touch Diamond so i'm only going off their opinions. The Touch Dual might be completely different though.

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Linux_Inside V2 
28/7/08 7:32:01 PM
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Quote by bushi
iPhone has the specs of a 4 year old phone.



Why? Just because it doesn't do MMS? or because it has a crappy 2MP sensor rather than a crappy 5MP sensor?

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The Tick 
28/7/08 8:49:39 PM
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Quote by bushi
iPhone has the specs of a 4 year old phone.




Aahahahahahahaha

*wipes tear

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bushi 
28/7/08 8:55:19 PM
Titan

Honestly compared to any other phone in it's price range it's hopeless.

It's got a shiny exterior and a large touch screen. That's all it has going for it. Woopdeedoo!

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Linux_Inside V2 
28/7/08 9:17:26 PM
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Quote by bushi
Honestly compared to any other phone in it's price range it's hopeless.

It's got a shiny exterior and a large touch screen. That's all it has going for it. Woopdeedoo!



I'm going to refer to you by the name Troll unless you can come up with some actual reasoning for your comment.

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hill60606 
28/7/08 11:12:49 PM
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Quote by bushi
iPhone has the specs of a 4 year old phone.

Big gimmick.



Let's go back 4 years, shall we

VGA camera's were the norm with a few models sporting 1.3Mp camera's although some manufactures used software to "stretch" a VGA image.

Nokia started exploring expandable memory by providing "multimedia cards" the ones provided were usually around 8-32Mb.

The phones that could do this retailed for considerably more than $1000.

Smartphones were "business" phones so manufacturers usually didn't provide toys like cameras.

Three was the only company providing 3G coverage (HSDPA didn't exist) supplying a range of shit phones with severe coverage issues.

I could go on to explore the general shittiness of Windows Mobile 2003, but I don't have all night.


Edited by hill60606: 28/7/2008 11:14:46 PM

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Milano 
29/7/08 5:58:53 PM
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Quote by hill60606

Nokia started exploring expandable memory by providing "multimedia cards" the ones provided were usually around 8-32Mb.

The phones that could do this retailed for considerably more than $1000.


I want to challenge these 8]

As far as I was aware, the Siemens SX1 was the first mobile in Australia to have an MMC slot. Also, it could be had for near $900 in 2004.
8]

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hill60606 
29/7/08 6:53:38 PM
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Quote by Milano
Quote by hill60606

Nokia started exploring expandable memory by providing "multimedia cards" the ones provided were usually around 8-32Mb.

The phones that could do this retailed for considerably more than $1000.


I want to challenge these 8]

As far as I was aware, the Siemens SX1 was the first mobile in Australia to have an MMC slot. Also, it could be had for near $900 in 2004.
8]



The Siemens SL45 used a 32Mb MMC card in around 2000.

I was using fairly typical examples from four years ago eg Nokia 6600 came with a 32Mb MMC card and sported a VGA camera or the 9500 which was their business phone, VGA camera, MMC slot.

SonyEricsson had the P910 which came with a 32Mb memory Stick Pro duo.

Sharp introduced the GX30 which had the first 1 megapixel camera it used an SD card and came with 16Mb.

2004 saw the release of the O2 XDA II and iMate Pocket PC (bearing in mind HTC didn't "exist" but manufactured both of these) which had VGA camera.

Memory cards cost hundreds of dollars, thumb drives (if you could find them) also cost hundreds.

128Mb MP3 players sold for over $200.

8 and 16Gb devices with flash memory were unheard of.

Furthermore my post was in response to an absolutely ludicrous statement i.e. that the iPhone had the specs of a 4 year old phone.


Edited by hill60606: 29/7/2008 08:03:25 PM

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Milano 
29/7/08 8:29:39 PM
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2000?! Pwned.

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Thom0 
29/7/08 8:46:26 PM
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Quote by The Tick
bowlen, I think your starting at the wrong point.

First question, is the company he works for running Exchange?

Secondly, does the company he works for have a policy in place for devices such as smartphones or blackberries? If they do it would be wise to stick with a phone that supports what is currently in place.

Lastly, is this the kind of person who wants to send alot of emails from his phone or to really just be kept in the email loop by being able to read them?

If his company is running an exchange server then natively it will support windows mobile devices as well as the iPhone with version 2.0 (pretty much the 3G handset or an upgrade original) as both of these devices use push via activesync. Be aware you will need some reasonable data plan regardless of iPhone or Windows mobile device.

If his company is already running blackerry enterprise on their servers then for the cost and time I would recommend you look this way for a solution. The monthly bundles can be pretty cheap (Optus have an unlimited data plan for $49 per month).

If his company is not running blackberry enterprise then I wouldn't bother exploring it as it can be costly to setup and is (IMHO) a piece of shit that tends to break every time Microsoft release a security update.

I personally like the iPhone's setup to exchange. Push works really well and I have found the device is easier to configure than a device running Windows mobile 6.

If your mate isn't interfacing to a corporate email system then he could pretty much get away with any phone on the market capable of using IMAP.

One final note, there are two things the iphone can't do in a business sense.

1. You can't send your details or another contact's details directly to another person's mobile (bluetooth) or email.

2. You can't invite attendees to meetings you setup on your phone - that can only be done from your computer.

Saying that, the browser is magnificent for a mobile device, the touch keyboard is very easy to get used to and screen is the best I have ever used.



Ticks on the money here about your friends company's infrastructure & how he will use the device.

In my opinion Windows Mobile owns the mobility market (for enterprise) hands down. Even more so with the release of 6.1 & SCMDM when combined with exchange 07

The iPhone is great as well but more for personal use, there are a few more things then 2 that the iPhone can't do & unfortunately I won't be revealing what they are here. The iPhone is a great device but my personal opinion is Windows Mobile 6.1.

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hill60606 
29/7/08 10:56:33 PM
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Quote by Thom0

Ticks on the money here about your friends company's infrastructure & how he will use the device.

In my opinion Windows Mobile owns the mobility market (for enterprise) hands down. Even more so with the release of 6.1 & SCMDM when combined with exchange 07

The iPhone is great as well but more for personal use, there are a few more things then 2 that the iPhone can't do & unfortunately I won't be revealing what they are here. The iPhone is a great device but my personal opinion is Windows Mobile 6.1.



...ahem, you seem to have forgotten the market leader in this area:-

http://www.blackberry.com/blackberrybold/

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

Thom0 
30/7/08 12:11:14 AM
Champion

I'm first to admit I don't know much about blackberry's, never having used or had to support one. They have definitely been an innovator & possibly even the main driving force for the whole mobility takeoff. I've heard some negative things about them though.

One I personally don't like about blackberry is that you must depend on RIM's infrastructure, if RIM's computers go down, every blackberry conks out too.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=blackberry+outages&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

My viewpoint mainly stems from the latest technologies in enterprise mobility combine this with ISA, SCMDM, Exchange 07 & windows mobile 6.1 (if you haven't seen 6.1 it rocks especially the smartphone version, a massive step forward) ownership and granular control of the infrastructure from the backend all the way through to the end user, device management, powershell cmdlets, OTA provisioning, OMA-DM compliant, > 130 group policy settings, IPSEC VPN's, it ties in with existing systems the list goes on, enterprise love it.

Anyway all off topic & those are my opinions back to the original post.


Edited by Thom0: 30/7/2008 12:59:01 AM

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hill60606 
30/7/08 5:52:18 AM
Immortal

Windows Mobile Devices still "fetch" data, the Blackberry offers real push which is why their infrastructure is so important i.e. the Blackberry servers check up to 10 of your inboxes multiple times per second then immediately push a copy of anything new out to you after compressing it.

They are not as big here as they are in other countries, I think there's roughly 16 million Blackberry users.

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

Thom0 
30/7/08 7:21:26 AM
Champion

hill60606, Windows mobile has supported real push since exchange 2003 SP2 @ windows mobile 5.0 devices with Messaging & Security Feature Pack (MSFP) installed. It's been a few years now.

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hill60606 
30/7/08 10:01:46 AM
Immortal

The device still sends a request or has to maintain a continuous connection, the Blackberry doesn't.

Microsoft let's Hotmail "push" which always looks good on the stationary...

yourbusiness@hotmail.com.. very professional ;)


Edited by hill60606: 30/7/2008 10:10:13 AM

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

bushi 
30/7/08 5:30:49 PM
Titan

(My point was.. don't buy an iPhone: You'll be disapointed a month or two after you get one, and you'll be wishing you hadn't.

I think you took my comment about '4 year old phone' a little too literally.

So what's it got, touch screen, large memory, large screen.
Does it even have fully functional Bluetooth?

What else that competes with other phones in it's price range?

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Linux_Inside V2 
30/7/08 7:56:56 PM
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Quote by bushi
(My point was.. don't buy an iPhone: You'll be disapointed a month or two after you get one, and you'll be wishing you hadn't.



Funny,

I don't know anyone with an iPhone that would agree with that statement.

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
30/7/08 7:57:52 PM
Titan

Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Funny,

I don't know anyone with an iPhone that would agree with that statement.


I actually know one person who ditched his for an LG Viewty. :P

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bushi 
30/7/08 8:24:16 PM
Titan

Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Quote by bushi
(My point was.. don't buy an iPhone: You'll be disapointed a month or two after you get one, and you'll be wishing you hadn't.



Funny,

I don't know anyone with an iPhone that would agree with that statement.



Must be fanboys.

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