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iPhone or HTC Touch Dual
bowlen 
27/7/08 7:08:15 PM
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A mate of mine is wanting to get a phone on a business plan. Now the main reason he is wanting it is to get emails (as well as phone and txt of course)

Now he kinda likes the iPhone but i think it would be shit for a business point of view as its pretty much a toy with some business features added on to sell to more ppl.

Now i have heard some great reviews about the HTC Touch Dual and being more of a PDA, i would think that would be the best phone to get.

Just wanting to get your opinions on which would be better for a business plan and for receiving emails etc

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Linux_Inside V2 
27/7/08 7:16:06 PM
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Quote by bowlen
Now he kinda likes the iPhone but i think it would be shit for a business point of view as its pretty much a toy with some business features added on to sell to more ppl.



And what makes you think that?

You know they just updated the iPhone to do exchange with push & remote wipe just like a blackberry right?

The iPhone has a QWERTY keyboard onscreen, the HTC has a numpad, how many emails will he be sending?

Apple has put a lot of effort in to make the iPhone integrate into corporate environments
http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

What is the browser like on WM Devices these days?


Edited by Linux_Inside V2: 27/7/2008 7:25:34 PM

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
27/7/08 7:45:42 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
What is the browser like on WM Devices these days?


The HTC uses Opera IIRC. So it's pretty good.

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Linux_Inside V2 
27/7/08 7:50:25 PM
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Quote by .:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Quote by Linux_Inside V2
What is the browser like on WM Devices these days?


The HTC uses Opera IIRC. So it's pretty good.



Cool,

I haven't had the opportunity to play with one recently :(

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bowlen 
27/7/08 8:01:28 PM
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Lots of emails...it will also be used overseas so 100% of emails coming in will be viewed from the phone.

iPhone has been given shit reviews froma busiiness point of view, which is why i am asking this question.

Sofar, i would go for the HTC as it is a business phone and the iPhone is a toy. Cause iPod won't be used at all...it will be a waste

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Linux_Inside V2 
27/7/08 8:07:01 PM
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You're not asking a question at all, your mind is already made up, you think the iPhone is a toy and that the HTC is a business phone.

Do these reviews cover the pre 2.0? or 2.0 as the email support has been greatly enhanced with 2.0

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bowlen 
27/7/08 8:16:53 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
You're not asking a question at all, your mind is already made up, you think the iPhone is a toy and that the HTC is a business phone.

Do these reviews cover the pre 2.0? or 2.0 as the email support has been greatly enhanced with 2.0



If you read my 1st post, the phone's not for me....i am wanting to get opinions for each.

I am talking about the iPhone, not sure about 2.0 or whatever....the one that came out like 2 weeks ago.

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Linux_Inside V2 
27/7/08 8:20:45 PM
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Quote by bowlen
Quote by Linux_Inside V2
You're not asking a question at all, your mind is already made up, you think the iPhone is a toy and that the HTC is a business phone.

Do these reviews cover the pre 2.0? or 2.0 as the email support has been greatly enhanced with 2.0



If you read my 1st post, the phone's not for me....i am wanting to get opinions for each.

I am talking about the iPhone, not sure about 2.0 or whatever....the one that came out like 2 weeks ago.



The reviews were on the 3G iPhone then, and not old reviews from last year?

I'm interested to know why people say it isn't a good business phone.

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hill60606 
27/7/08 8:28:47 PM
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I would go for a Blackberry, the bold if it is available.

For the purposes you describe nothing comes close.

The way it compresses data keeps roaming costs down, the battery life is excellent compared to other smartphones.

That's why they are number one in this area.

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bowlen 
27/7/08 8:31:55 PM
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Yeah, i will mention the Blackberry to him. The bold looks shithouse, but some of them look pretty good. I think it will be pretty much down to the Touch Dual or a Blackberry.

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
27/7/08 8:35:22 PM
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How about the Xperia X1:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/?lc=en&cc=au

Not sure if it's good for business, but it looks cool. :P

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The Tick 
27/7/08 10:08:16 PM
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bowlen, I think your starting at the wrong point.

First question, is the company he works for running Exchange?

Secondly, does the company he works for have a policy in place for devices such as smartphones or blackberries? If they do it would be wise to stick with a phone that supports what is currently in place.

Lastly, is this the kind of person who wants to send alot of emails from his phone or to really just be kept in the email loop by being able to read them?

If his company is running an exchange server then natively it will support windows mobile devices as well as the iPhone with version 2.0 (pretty much the 3G handset or an upgrade original) as both of these devices use push via activesync. Be aware you will need some reasonable data plan regardless of iPhone or Windows mobile device.

If his company is already running blackerry enterprise on their servers then for the cost and time I would recommend you look this way for a solution. The monthly bundles can be pretty cheap (Optus have an unlimited data plan for $49 per month).

If his company is not running blackberry enterprise then I wouldn't bother exploring it as it can be costly to setup and is (IMHO) a piece of shit that tends to break every time Microsoft release a security update.

I personally like the iPhone's setup to exchange. Push works really well and I have found the device is easier to configure than a device running Windows mobile 6.

If your mate isn't interfacing to a corporate email system then he could pretty much get away with any phone on the market capable of using IMAP.

One final note, there are two things the iphone can't do in a business sense.

1. You can't send your details or another contact's details directly to another person's mobile (bluetooth) or email.

2. You can't invite attendees to meetings you setup on your phone - that can only be done from your computer.

Saying that, the browser is magnificent for a mobile device, the touch keyboard is very easy to get used to and screen is the best I have ever used.




Edited by The Tick: 27/7/2008 10:13:28 PM

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hill60606 
27/7/08 10:50:30 PM
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I had a play with a Blackberry Bold the other night, they are pretty impressive, Vodafone unlimited start at $24.95.

That includes web browsing and I.M.

The screen has the same resolution as the iPhone, 3.5G and the Vodafone compass service gives continuously updated maps and voice guidance for the GPS for $79 a year, you can send meeting details to another blackberry user including the location so their GPS will guide them there.

Stay tuned for an upgraded pack which will also provide speed and redlight camera information.

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Disco 
28/7/08 1:05:56 PM
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As a Touch Dual owner,there are a few things to think about.

First, is he going to customise the UI at all?
If you are, then the Dual is a wonderful phone / PDA to use. Unforetunately though, the default interface is . . . fiddly. The UI is well laid out, it's just the default Windows Mobile really does need a stylus to use easily-a lot of the icons are just a touch too small for finger only use.

2. Second, how much input will he need to do, and what is his preferred method for input?
I cannot say this strongly enough; do not buy a touchscreen only device if you need to input any more data than the occasional text message. Touch screens just do not cut it. The gain in functionality from having just a few additional keys on a device is incredible. I can say this because I've had both the original Touch and the Touch Dual, and the addition of just a xt9 keypad to the dual makes it so much easier to operate. It's not a difference you can appreciate with the casual test-drive; you really have to own both versions to grasp how big an advantage a few more keys is for heavy use.

If your mate is happy to use the transcriber option on WM6 then the dual is fine for medium level text input (a few emails on the run, lots of messaging, that kind of thing) but if he's going to be a heavy emailer then send him towards a phone with a full qwerty keyboard. He'll thank you later.

Basically - ask how much typing he'll do on it.

Low - Any phone is fine - even a touchscreen only device like the iPhone.

Medium - He'll need either a qwerty keyboard, or to use an "efficient" method of text input on a touchscreen device; so Transcriber on a PPC (and if you're going to use Transcriber, you need to like using it, and be prepared to write on a 3" touchscreen - it takes some getting used to).

Heavy - Get a qwerty keyboard.

If you have any other questions about the dual I'm happy to answer.

Cheers,
Disco

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The Tick 
28/7/08 1:19:31 PM
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Quote by Disco

Heavy - Get a qwerty keyboard.




As a fairly heavy emailer from a mobile device, I have found the iPhone keyboard as good if not better than a blackberry and it took about two days to get used to it and build up the same speed.

I don't think that either is necessarily better though. It all comes down to user preference. Some like the tactile feel of the tiny buttons on a blackberry, others find the iPhone's style fine. The auto correct feature on the iPhone can be a godsend or a pain if your not careful though.

I agree with you though - if he is not a heavy typer and is using it mainly to read emails and stay in the loop it might be better to get a device that doesn't occupy as much real estate to accommodate a qwerty.




Edited by The Tick: 28/7/2008 1:21:07 PM

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Disco 
28/7/08 1:23:59 PM
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In that case - listen to the man who's done it ^^

I haven't played with the new iphone, so for extended use of it's on screen keyboard I'll trust you.

But yeah, I like to be either writing, or feedback from my keys XD

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Girvo 
28/7/08 1:44:38 PM
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Heh, On-screen keyboards have come a long way Disco :)

The iPhone's isn't too bad at all. I prefer TouchPal personally.

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Disco 
28/7/08 3:52:42 PM
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I've tried more than a few man, it's just that you don't type as efficiently without tactile feedback.

Onscreen keyboards aren't the work of the devil like they were originally, but they're still a pale shade of real keys. (IMO)

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The Tick 
28/7/08 4:44:35 PM
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The only on screen keyboard I have used other than the iPhone has been stylus driven and THAT is a fucked up concept.

As has been said, it is all about personal preference.

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Girvo 
28/7/08 6:06:05 PM
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If you ever use a WinMo phone Tick, try Touchpal.

Its a great concept, and works brilliantly.

But then, I have a QWERTY slide out keyboard as well.

*shrugs

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