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Discuss: Aussie 3G iPhone is a bad joke
Cummings 
17/7/08 7:38:23 PM
Titan

Quote by TinBane
Quote by lunchbox1988
No, it is apple's fault for choosing to limit themselves with vendors.
It is the telco's fault fo limiting themselves in availability of stock and their plan choices.

It is the fault of us as consumers for being stupid enough to fall for the marketing ploys of a company whose current exploits include a computer that fits in a manilla envelope.

Yes, it is thin, but feels like a flimsy piece of paper and costs too much.

The iPhone has shown consumers that when you expect excellence, you will receive mediocrity.



Lol. Limiting telcos? The only telco in Australia that doesn't allow a locked iphone to run on it's network is '3'. The reason why they don't have the iPhone isn't public knowledge, but I'd bet that it's not because Apple arbitrarily decided not to allow them to have it.

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As for the iPhone being mediocre, I don't see it that way. The fact is, the iPhone shows customers that there always exists a trade off. The iPhone is not a perfect phone. It's a damned nice phone. Even the article above admits that. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore hater, and irrational to boot, not to admit that. What it isn't, is the phone for everybody, or a perfect phone. EVERY phone ever made has trade-offs, and some people like to trade off some abilities rather than others.

I'm quite happy not to have MMS, video calls, or video recording on the iPhone. Because I have those features now, and I have never used any of them.

[snip]



Ahh...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/3-launches-iphone-petition/2008/06/26/1214073422618.html
http://www.3shopdirect.com.au/blog/

And I can understand that sometimes tradeoffs are nesessary, say, to save cost. But MMS and video recording are basic functions that the cheapest of cheap phones can do. Just put them in there. People who want it can use it and people who don't, don't have to.

I love the concept of the phone and it is mostly well done. I just wish they gave the consumer a bit more consideration.

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hill60606 
17/7/08 8:05:19 PM
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I had to DOA my 16Gb iPhone as it had some faults, now I have another 16Gb iPhone...

...hahahaahaaahha!!!! Kathryn Small, it's not what you know, it's who you know.

If I wanted to send an MMS or do a video call (I think I did one last year, or maybe the year before), I'll rip my SIM out and throw it in my Motorola V3XX, video calls are severely overrated, blocky slow moving images at about 10 frames a second.

Sending a picture by email is easier and costs less, with a bit of research I'm sure the carriers email to MMS settings can be found, the US one's are something like XXXXXX@mms.companyname.com where XXXX is a phone number and companyname is a phone company.

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johnsee 
17/7/08 9:36:12 PM
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I got one.

One of the best purchases I've ever made.

Seriously.

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
17/7/08 10:38:25 PM
Titan

I find the iPhone too big and chunky. The UI is pretty snazzy, then again so is the one on the HTC Diamond.

It's all personal preference really.

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kunzie 
18/7/08 12:51:10 AM
Titan

Quote by johnsee
I got one.

One of the best purchases I've ever made.

Seriously.



Same.

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maxamatosis 
18/7/08 1:28:55 AM
Disciple

A lot of people say that they don't use video recording or mms, and that you don't care about the shitty camera. If all you do is talk and text, why do you need a 3G smart phone?

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hill60606 
18/7/08 6:56:03 AM
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Quote by maxamatosis
A lot of people say that they don't use video recording or mms, and that you don't care about the shitty camera. If all you do is talk and text, why do you need a 3G smart phone?



Email, web browsing the music player isn't too shabby.

The camera isn't that shifty either.

My last 10 bills have been 90% data use, I don't do SMS much.

If you look at the changes made to the interface of Windows Mobile 6 devices, the influence of Apple's iPhone is undeniable.

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Ex 
18/7/08 7:08:37 AM
Disciple

I was one of the people who lined up in the city at 4:30am for the TLife store stock and had no problem getting my black 16g.

I love it, though for me the biggest concern is the battery life.

I don't use my phone as a phone. This is a mobile internet device for me. The telcos don't understand that though, gougers all of them.

The data prices will come down, I am convinced of that. They did for cable and adsl....3G will as well....eventually

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Girvo 
18/7/08 12:27:58 PM
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TinBane, we've got a healthier mobile phone system than the US.

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Wolfshanks 
18/7/08 12:28:48 PM
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I can honestly say I have never really been a hater of anything hardware (well, actually more hate everything equally...) but here we go.

I have a (Jailbroken) iPhone (not the 3G so I have had it for a while) and I really have to say that after the novelty of it wore off, I think it's rubbish. Sure its touch screen is nice (unless you happen to try and use it with wet fingers) and the WiFi connectivity is pretty damn good, there are a few sticking points.

It's supposed to be a "Business Phone" as well as 3G - yet it doesn't:
1. Do Video calls
2. Cannot sync via Bluetooth (you have to use the cable)
3. Cannot copy and paste information from anywhere to anywhere... hell my old O2 could do that :-(
4. Cannot send a business card (contact details). Seriously! You can't even forward an SMS.
5. Intermittent crashes and lockups

A few people I know have the new 3G and after having a good muck around with it I can hand-on-my-heart say it's still crap. For what you pay.

Personally I prefer going back to my Nokia n95. Better voice call clarity. Removable battery and mini-SD. And for the 'phone wanker in all of us a proper 5MP camera with flash and a video quality that is quite seriously incredible. And it does everything an iPhone doesn't do.

As for the rest of Apple's hardware, I'm not sold there either. I'll point out here before the Apple fanboys get their Steve Jobs skivvies in a twist that I am the IT Manager of a firm that SOLEY uses Mac only - from the workstation and to the Servers. I find them unreliable (compared to PC systems and networks - and I have experience in many different and hybrid networks) and the hardware is stupidly overpriced. However the MD here is an evangelical Mac lover so that's just how it is.

Yes my Laptop is a 17" MacBook Pro - which incedentally runs Vista better, more reliably and faster than OS 10.5.4. My workstation is a Quad-Core G6 Xeon and the work travelling laptop is a MacBook Air. All very nice to look at but all but the Air have been in for logicboard replacement (motherboards) bar the Air. Which is nice but to be honest my 5 year old Dell C400 does the same job AND I can change batteries, hard drives and RAM easily and without fuss. Oh and the Air runs HOT...really hot.

Long rant but in closing? If it was my money buying it I wouldn't be buying anything Apple. I'd stick to PC's and Windows/Linux/FreeBSD. Cheaper, faster, and overall a community that loves to bash what they love. You don't see that in the "Mac" community ;-p

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hill60606 
18/7/08 7:28:47 PM
Immortal

I'll just snap of a shot and email it while you are still waiting for the N95 camera to load, from a switched off start the iPhone would be all over the N95, I could be on a call while you're still waiting for the handshake.

I now have a cowbell, if I want more cowbell I can tap along with any song in iTunes!

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


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Jeruselem 
18/7/08 8:02:48 PM
Champion

Quote by hill60606
I'll just snap of a shot and email it while you are still waiting for the N95 camera to load, from a switched off start the iPhone would be all over the N95, I could be on a call while you're still waiting for the handshake.

I now have a cowbell, if I want more cowbell I can tap along with any song in iTunes!



If one cares about image quality, 2MP is not good enough. There's no flash or zoom either.

And why can't it take video? My Nokia 6131 can.

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lunchbox1988 
18/7/08 9:41:54 PM
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Fair thoughts there Wolfshanks, I agree with you there.

My dell notebook, toshiba notebook and HTC phone are perfect for me and I don't think anything apple will compare (without having a windows or ubuntu flavour of OS on it first).

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hill60606 
18/7/08 9:45:01 PM
Immortal

The N95, or any other phone for that matter, will resize a photo for MMS, so the megapixels are wasted, unless you email it.

As far as camera phones go, if that was important to me I'd get a Cybershot or one of the Samsungs, the Nokia's are just too slow.

I synced the photo's from my PC so I have over 3000 photo's dating back 9 years and taken with a variety of camera's up to 6 Mp they look impressive on this screen which is a full 1.1" larger than the N95.

The phone handles them well, faster than the rather sluggish Symbian based phones, partiularly when zooming using multitouch.

Name another product which sold over one million units within 72 hours of launch, you can call it a joke but guess who's laughing!


Edited by hill60606: 18/7/2008 9:47:29 PM

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

pappes 
18/7/08 9:49:54 PM
Titan

I heard it cant multi task.

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Girvo 
19/7/08 12:00:00 AM
Immortal

You know, people really seem to be forgetting the GPS in the 3G iPhone. It's rubbish, and that's a damned shame. I LOVE GPS on my TyTN 2, and I was actually really gunning to get me an iPhone for a bit, but the lack of actual turn-by-turn software is a real downer. Apparently the GPS is also really flaky, to the point were turn-by-turn would be a bit dodgy at best.

The devil is in the details, and while it is a cool phone for sure, its missing small features that I've gotten so used to that I couldn't live without.

I was speaking to my Mum and her friend today. Mum has a Touch Cruise and her friend has a HTC TyTN [1]. Both of them said they could barely work phones until they got theirs: it worked the way they expect [being based on Windows Mobile]. I found that really interesting.

And hill, it may have sold a million units, but that's Apples good marketing and the fact that it's a good phone: not the phone.


Edited by Girvo: 19/7/2008 12:00:55 AM


Edited by Girvo: 19/7/2008 12:01:08 AM

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Quote by SnowSquirrel
But then again, I find it near impossible to turn the bf off, unless I say his mum's name, a lot. And call him his mum's name.



Linux_Inside V2 
19/7/08 1:29:26 AM
Immortal

Quote by pappes
I heard it cant multi task.



If you're a masochist you can use Windows Mobile Devices, I hear they have a task manager and applications that don't actually quit when you think they have :P

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hill60606 
19/7/08 7:34:40 AM
Immortal

Real men don't need some device to spoonfeed them directions, I've survived without one for almost 50 years.

My wife's Navman shits me, "Make a U-Turn... blah, blah, blah", sometimes I feel like throwing it out the window.

It works like a street directory which is more than enough for my needs.

So how much extra did you pay for that functionality?

Nokia charges $115 a year for voice guidance. unless you get the 6110 navigator with Route 66...

...but then you're back to a 2 Megapixel camera and no wireless.

Regarding the flash, Xenon = flash, LED doesn't.

HTC has done a good job of imitating the iPhone interface, it reminds me of when Windows 95 first came out, which basically imitated a lot of things from MacOS, sort of like Vista.

Nothing is perfect and never will be, back to my first comment, I have one and it's enjoyable to use, it suits how I use a phone.


Edited by hill60606: 19/7/2008 7:47:35 AM

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A decade of John Howard has left a country of timidity, fear and shame


His power resided in his ability to speak directly and powerfully to the negativity at the core of the Australian soul.

Linux_Inside V2 
19/7/08 10:22:36 AM
Immortal

Quote by Jeruselem
If one cares about image quality, 2MP is not good enough. There's no flash or zoom either.



If one cares about image quality, they buy a camera.

How many people buy a camera complaining that it can't make phonecalls?

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maxamatosis 
19/7/08 11:16:00 AM
Disciple

Quote by hill60606
I'll just snap of a shot and email it while you are still waiting for the N95 camera to load, from a switched off start the iPhone would be all over the N95, I could be on a call while you're still waiting for the handshake.

I now have a cowbell, if I want more cowbell I can tap along with any song in iTunes!



Why would you turn your phone off? Oh right, terrible battery life on the iPhone?

Yeah, people with real phones turn it off in a total of about two situations: When they're on a plane and when they're in an exam room with mobile detectors.

Start up time shouldn't even be a factor with a phone, it's supposed to be an always on device. What a stupid argument.

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