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Discuss: Aussie 3G iPhone is a bad joke
bluedude 
17/7/08 2:14:24 PM
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I know next to nothing about the iPhone and I'll keep my opinions of Apple to myself, for now at least, but good on you David for putting it out there and telling it how is, even if it's just for the sake of presenting a different point of view.

Actually, perhaps a little more detail for a better argument might be a good idea, for your own and others' sake. Otherwise, keep it up the honest articles, but perhaps offer more than just your opinion.

(However, after read the article at IT News, enough is said.)

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TinBane 
17/7/08 2:16:17 PM
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OK, I have felt the Macbook AIR, and found it to be as I said, flimsy to feel and annoying to look at.

The limitations with the iPhone I have found are that yes, MMS and video calls are not part of it, why the fuck not, I don't use either feature, but I think the iPhone team that developed this purely touchscreen piece of "technology" were more than capable of implementing these features.

No offence intended for the iPhone buyers/users/whatevers, but I think they are shithouse, and apple have done a great job of keeping me unimpressed with their marketing and development strategies.

TinBane, I am sure you are a fan, otherwise you wouldn't defend them so avidly, but frankly, arguing with me because I have a preference on mobile technology is futile as my preferences are my own, not yours, I am not trying to represent all atomicans with my views, purely myself.



Most of my comments address what purports to be fact, rather than opinion in your post.

You might feel the macbook air is 'flimsy' in some way. But then again, it's light an aluminium. I'm not sure what part you feel is flimsy, but I feel the keyboard action is quite good, the flip-down port on the side seems relatively sturdy, and the screen anchors in well. So unless you just feel that thin aluminium is too flimsy, then I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. The fact is, most laptops that size are not as strong as bigger laptops. That's what's called a trade off, as I mentioned in an earlier post, and is more an engineering issue than an Apple issue.

You quoted the word "technology". Does that mean you don't think the iPhone actually is a piece of technology. As for no mms etc, I've noticed a lot of people point that out, but I've never met anybody who used mms regularly. The old virgin adds trying (and failing) to generate MMS traffic were classic.

I'm sure no offense is taken. But it seems like a lot of commentators and posters don't have the capability, or conviction to actually formulate a cohesive argument. They tend to go after Apple's consumers as "sheep" who can't think for themselves, which not only shows great hubris and arrogance, but also is generally followed up by either non-reasons based around non-conforming or around bullshit reasons with no substance. For the record, I dislike Apple's marketing scheme. I appreciate their products because the products do what I want to do, in the way I want to do it.

That depends what you mean by "fan". There is no way I'd ever line up over night to buy an Apple product (or probably any other product. I don't consider myself a fanatic, because I think I'm a rational consumer. I don't actually own a working iPod, an iPhone or even a macintosh. I use them (and have used them) during study and at work.

I think Apple needs to be taken to task for some of it's actions and it's marketting, but at the same time, acting like a smug nerd and using bullshit arguments doesn't actually help your position (I'm not saying you do, but anti-apple arguments in general).

The iPhone has enough flaws to discuss them. There is no need to attack the iPhone over Apple's marketing of other products, the failure of Australia's telcos, or the smug attitude some Apple users have.


Quote by Chazzozz!!
This is exactly my interest in the iPhone, and also why I'm highly anticipating Android...when it finally arrives.

Apple have taken a step forward with the App Store, but it's still a closed-shop. I'd love to see them open it up wider to more development opportunities.



Yeah, the android is exciting, and will hopefully spur on Apple to do a better job. Let's face it, the best way to get any company to improve it's offering, is competition.

Not sure what you mean by closed-shop, putting apps up on the app store is included in the iPhone dev license, and there is no cost to host free apps.


Edited by TinBane: 17/7/2008 2:18:22 PM

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Chazzozz!! 
17/7/08 2:26:04 PM
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Quote by TinBane
Not sure what you mean by closed-shop, putting apps up on the app store is included in the iPhone dev license, and there is no cost to host free apps.


What I was referring to is the fact that Apple's App Store is the only place you can get them from. Granted, they put the apps through a rigorous 'testing' process to ensure integrity, security, etc. But it's still keeping a tight control on the distribution channel.

On the other side of the fence, Windows Mobile users can download apps from anywhere. This means that the onus is squarely on the user to ensure suitability and security, but at least they've got a choice. When Android makes an appearance I expect there will be a veritable explosion in mobile apps, due to its open-source roots. If Apple still insists on holding the reins of distribution so firmly they risk being left behind in a big way.

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TinBane 
17/7/08 2:36:50 PM
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I see what you mean, Chazzozz.

However, given the cost of being an iPhone developer, I don't really see it as an issue. I agree, the idea of being at Apple's mercy in terms of what apps you download is bad. Perhaps a lock-in that could be overruled for power users would be better.

At the end of the day, for the 'joe public' user that just wants it to work and keep working, getting apps off the app store is a good thing. At least that way, malicious software can be easily eradicated. There are so many 'download smilies here' links that still fool people online, that it's amazing. I would hate for the same thing to happen to the iPhone. Maybe a more 'open' app store, but still with the ability for apple to vet software that is malicious would be better.

Still, it's early days.

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lunchbox1988 
17/7/08 2:41:43 PM
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Hmmm, TinBane, you may make a believer of me yet, the iPhone just seems too, I dunno, apple.

It is just another phone though.

It does look pretty, but what apple products don't these days?

I disliked the Air, not just for how it felt to me, I am sure it is strong, but like the motorola Razr, it just felt too thin for it's purpose.

The gimmick of putting it in an envelope, just seemed to cry out, "Do this for yourself, carry it around like this, and get destroyed for taking us to court when you do and it breaks."

The iPhone seems to come from a similar boat, being that it is advertised for it's pretty, minor functionality and the fact it is apple.

I will stick to my HTC for now, but mind you, if they make an iPhone that I can easily put windows mobile onto and has a proper keyboard, so help me god, I will just have to go ahead and keep using my HTC as it will essentially be the same.

An all touch design shits me, but hey, it is cool in its own rights.

So, I guess I am an in-betweener, but still think that the iPhone has no real redeeming features.

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TinBane 
17/7/08 2:50:01 PM
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For what it's worth, I work for a reseller, and we (being the staff) generally think the air isn't a very practical computer. If a customer wants one, then I'll sell it to them, but I'm not going to recommend it to someone, unless they medically NEED a laptop that small.

So, I'm not a fan of the Macbook Air either. They are hard to repair, customers will ding them easily, and as you point out, due to the size, they are expensive. It's not like the macbook is overly large or heavy, outside of the Apple range anyway.

I do have to admit, the LED backlit screen in the macbook air look fantastic though, and have a great gamut.

We joke that they should come in the box with the envelope, so that customers can do that.

I haven't seen a whole heap of advertising about the iPhone. I personally think the all-touch design is fantastic, and windows mobile shits me to tears.

I think the real iPhone power is yet to be realised. But I'm not buying one until the telco's change the price and make it a worthwhile proposition.

I'm hoping to see some kind of VOIP apps on the iPhone. That would be awesome. (It may already be on for all I know).

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lunchbox1988 
17/7/08 2:52:40 PM
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Mate, they need fring for the iPhone.

And also, when I can get one for about $100 fully unlocked, I will buy one, until then, it will sit on the furthest of backburners in my eyes as a purchasable item.

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TinBane 
17/7/08 3:07:08 PM
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Cheers for the heads up, mate:

http://www.fring.com/download/iphone/

I wonder if this will be launched on the app store now that this is an option.


Edited by TinBane: 17/7/2008 3:14:35 PM

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lunchbox1988 
17/7/08 3:14:50 PM
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Holy fuck, it exists.

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hill60606 
17/7/08 4:31:49 PM
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I have one, it's a pleasure to own.

It would have to be the easiest to use phone I've had, it is full of things to discover.

I'm using the keyboard now, to write this.

I saved a shortcut on my desktop, using two fingers in Safari to zoom the page so that the icon is the green O in atomic.

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ne()phyte 
17/7/08 4:37:15 PM
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I am always curious as to why people see fit to consistently trash a company which does it's best to make it's products easy to use.

Sure, their Hyperbole LightWarp Speed engine is always on, and some Mac lovers can be quite in your face about it, but the irony of this is that the reverse is just as true for all the Anti-Mac-Steve-Jobs-is-the-Devil-in-a-Turtle-Neck redneck's.

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ne()phyte 
17/7/08 4:39:00 PM
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I forgot to mention - this line in the article is basically why the iPhone hasn't and won't do particularly well in this market:


Regrettably, telco providers have completely fouled up the iPhone’s Australian launch.


Telco's must give us decent call rates, and unlimited data, not he paltry caps and Gb's currently on offer (pay attention Telstra!).

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Nich... 
17/7/08 4:41:34 PM
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It'd be nice if there was the ability to 'connect' to a desktop or voip AP, tho', and use voip from there with the iphone as just a neat little handset, i guess. Is that doable on any phone?



(ps, $100 unlocked? You're dreaming. I'd be happy to pay $400 for one, tho', which is how much I spent on buying my 6230i 3 or 4 years back)

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hill60606 
17/7/08 5:31:07 PM
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I forgot to mention Safari's ability to have multiple pages open, as a fairly devout opera mini user on my previous phones I would have to say that this is pretty cool!

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TinBane 
17/7/08 5:34:00 PM
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Nich - You can, check out the link I posted. Voip software can't be far off in the app store, if it isn't already there.

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Nich... 
17/7/08 6:31:14 PM
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Sorry, I was thinking you meant VoIP as in over the 3g data link.

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noobmelater 
17/7/08 6:49:26 PM
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Nice rant dave

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broke123 
17/7/08 6:52:56 PM
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ive also been informed by a salesperson who i know that there's no mms send or receive with the iphone.

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Milano 
17/7/08 7:09:42 PM
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I made a comment in the iphone thread about mobile retailers being very misinformed.

The whole mobile pricing landscape is so daunting & confusing (I think I mentioned this in the iphone thread too), that buying a mobile for browsing in this day & age & country is a huge turn/rip-off.

I've probably got more reasons to get the iphone than not, but the negatives are going to have a much bigger impact on me (financially), so i'm thinking i'll hold off, at least until legit, unlocked iphones are sold to the public..

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plebsmacker 
17/7/08 7:34:43 PM
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How is anyone ever going to take you seriously if you can't even get the product image correct ?

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