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Discuss: Aussie 3G iPhone is a bad joke
the_13th 
17/7/08 12:37:05 PM
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the_13th thinks:

Must admit personally that I've never been a fan of apple, and not just because Im a PC guy the way they deal with the press, well written article in my possibly worthless opinion

About the Atomic article Aussie 3G iPhone is a bad joke

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?CIID=117035

Atomic Recommended Reading: the situation, and why our first words about the iPhone are somebody else's

What do you think?

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rogertheseal 
17/7/08 12:43:00 PM
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So the phone might be alright if you can even get your hand on one.

Once again our Telco's prove they really are shithouse.

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iamthemaxx 
17/7/08 12:45:22 PM
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I don't see what that has to do about the product though?

This just sounds like a rant.

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TinBane 
17/7/08 12:48:46 PM
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So, you hate apple, and it's also their fault the telcos didn't release information to their supply chain?

Other markets had information available much earlier than Australia, so it's not Apple insisting they don't release their own plan information.

It's not Apple's fault Australia doesn't have a healthy mobile broadband system either.

The problem with the Aussie iPhone in Australia, is the Australia part of the equation, in particular, the part that relates to Australia telcos.

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ArcaneMagik 
17/7/08 12:51:08 PM
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The issue is from people wanting to be overly secret about the launch. Which means staff are on a need to know bases, which normally means they are deemed not needing to know anything.

Meh bleeding edge is for people who like to cut themselves. I am going to wait for all the faults to appear before I think about buying one.

Been screw enough by Apple as is with iPods.

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Chazzozz!! 
17/7/08 12:55:39 PM
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Heh. I read the original IT News article yesterday and I thought it was well written. Some very salient points in it...but a certain amount of Apple-hate, too. I'm surprised at how the 3G iPhone has polarised opinions. People either love it (and Apple) or absolutely loathe it (and Apple). There's not much inbetween.

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silhouette 
17/7/08 12:58:35 PM
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A lot of people just like the thing and decide to line up and get one because its what they really really want. And who can blame them, the Apple marketing machine works really well.

Methinks it pays to shop around, wait a bit and figure out what you really really want before you get one. I'm sure there are lots of people who think that way as well.

Bad joke or not, Apple wins either way.

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lunchbox1988 
17/7/08 1:05:56 PM
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Recently, my brother told me he wanted to get one.

I laughed for a solid 3 minutes, then explained that the amount he would spend on it, he could buy a non apple MP3 player, that is better, and a decent 3G phone and still would have saved himself about $300+ in the long run.

He, after much thought, agreed and joined me on the iPhone is crap bandwagon.

I don't dislike the device, but the way it is pimped to every man, woman and child like it is going to revolutionise the way people communicate.

I am sorry, but it doesn't support telepathy, so a communications revolution is not in the apple iPhone umbrella.

You want a device that allows you to email, call, take photos, listen to music, watch the office all whilst not costing you a bomb, get something from HTC.

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superfireydave 
17/7/08 1:13:11 PM
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Well I don't think it's the iPhone's fault that the plans and everything else is awful.

Yes, it's completely ridiculous to have such small and expensive data limits.
Yes, it's completely ridiculous to not be able compare phone vendors easily.

But is that really the iPhone's fault?

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17/7/08 1:14:13 PM
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lunchbox1988 
17/7/08 1:20:25 PM
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Quote by superfireydave
Well I don't think it's the iPhone's fault that the plans and everything else is awful.

Yes, it's completely ridiculous to have such small and expensive data limits.
Yes, it's completely ridiculous to not be able compare phone vendors easily.

But is that really the iPhone's fault?



No, it is apple's fault for choosing to limit themselves with vendors.
It is the telco's fault fo limiting themselves in availability of stock and their plan choices.

It is the fault of us as consumers for being stupid enough to fall for the marketing ploys of a company whose current exploits include a computer that fits in a manilla envelope.

Yes, it is thin, but feels like a flimsy piece of paper and costs too much.

The iPhone has shown consumers that when you expect excellence, you will receive mediocrity.

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TinBane 
17/7/08 1:30:13 PM
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Quote by lunchbox1988
No, it is apple's fault for choosing to limit themselves with vendors.
It is the telco's fault fo limiting themselves in availability of stock and their plan choices.

It is the fault of us as consumers for being stupid enough to fall for the marketing ploys of a company whose current exploits include a computer that fits in a manilla envelope.

Yes, it is thin, but feels like a flimsy piece of paper and costs too much.

The iPhone has shown consumers that when you expect excellence, you will receive mediocrity.



Lol. Limiting telcos? The only telco in Australia that doesn't allow a locked iphone to run on it's network is '3'. The reason why they don't have the iPhone isn't public knowledge, but I'd bet that it's not because Apple arbitrarily decided not to allow them to have it.

As for the macbook air, I don't think ANYBODY (steve jobs included) has ever said that the macbook air is for every computer user. It's patently not.

The fact that it fits in an envelope is just a marketing gimmick, it's not a selling point, any more than the selling point of a blendtec blender is it's ability to chew up hardware.

Anyone who has held a macbook air, knows that it doesn't feel like a piece of paper. As for the iPhone being mediocre, I don't see it that way. The fact is, the iPhone shows customers that there always exists a trade off. The iPhone is not a perfect phone. It's a damned nice phone. Even the article above admits that. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore hater, and irrational to boot, not to admit that. What it isn't, is the phone for everybody, or a perfect phone. EVERY phone ever made has trade-offs, and some people like to trade off some abilities rather than others.

I'm quite happy not to have MMS, video calls, or video recording on the iPhone. Because I have those features now, and I have never used any of them.

Optus and Vodafone's data plans, while not ideal, are cheaper than sending MMSes anyway. Sending to a single recipient, it's cheaper to send them a 1MB image via email, than to send them a single MMS. When you look at multiple recipients, it gets even more insane.

The main benefit of the iPhone, is the one we haven't seen too much of. It's ease of development, and the range of software that will be on it. With a proper os X kernel running, and a fantastic development suite, it will be great to see what apps people can come up with.

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17/7/08 1:30:55 PM
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Apples marketing team are a bunch of fags who lure competitors to swoop to their below standard level.

Don't believe me? They admitted to it: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1486

The next time I hear a Mac fanboy say "Microsoft are evil" or something of a similar stance, I will hit them swiftly over the head.

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Kimmo 
17/7/08 1:41:47 PM
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Nice to see an article actually written by atomic up there : )

Not really surprised to hear Apple have managed to manipulate the media into simply pimping their shit; after all, most of their hardware is charmingly slick, and the vast majority of tech writers wouldn't regard their occupation as serious investigative journalism.

I'm sure the iPhone has its faults, but the thing is just so fucking slick and sexy, there's a good chance I'll own one in a few years when they're old hat and can be bought for a song...


...Wait, the thing can't record video?

Pff, fuck that. Lame.


Edited by Kimmo: 17/7/2008 1:44:51 PM

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thylacine 
17/7/08 1:41:52 PM
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I actually do fall in between the LOVE and LOATHE campus.

I am perfectly happy with many of Apple's products (I have an iPod, reckon it's great, use iTunes and Quicktime obviously), just as I use many other companies' products without sacrificing my firstborn at their altars.

I think the iPhone's quite a nifty innovation in terms of the touchscreen, navigation, interface etc, but geez lining up at midnight? Come on...

It's not a fantastic device though, across the board... the camera's rubbish (my Nokia e61i does 3.2MP and even it's shitty), and I think the lack of a keyboard has the POTENTIAL to be hindrance rather than a help in some cases.

Were I in the market for a new 'phone'/smartphone, whatever you wanna call it, I'd be considering it, but by no means would I be selling my soul to get one.

Interested to check out the article linked in the OP, most reviews I've seen (except for Telstra mate who was using one for 1-2 weeks before release and who agreed it's nowhere near worth the hype beyond the nice interface) have been overly positive, so interested to see a different opinion.

Quote by TinBane
I'm quite happy not to have MMS, video calls, or video recording on the iPhone. Because I have those features now, and I have never used any of them.



Me neither. I've taken videos, but they're never great quality. Sent ONE MMS years ago when I first got that support in a previous handset, and never since. Tried video call to someone with same handset with same provider and was told 'video call not supported by phone or network', and never cared enough to try it again.

I totally agree that whilst the iPhone isn't perfect, neither is ANY phone, but I ALSO agree that the amount of hype for the thing is over the top, almost suggesting it IS perfect...



Edited by thylacine: 17/7/2008 1:45:21 PM

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The Tick 
17/7/08 1:42:44 PM
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Can anyone tell me a telco supplying a good data plan for a HTC enabled device?

I am also failing to understand the negative sentiment toward Apple marketing. It works and is effective. Is it more resentment towards Apple zealots who get swept up in the whole thing?

Sometimes I feel that there is a prevailing sentiment that no person who has a product made by apple could possibly be a normal person who actually likes the product and that the fanboys who you will find represented everywhere have just become the stereotype to which Apple users are now all branded.

I would also go one step further to air my disappointent with David for this piece.

A well thought out article which explores concerns in an unbiased way would have been a much better read.

Talk about the lack of availability. Discuss the technical aspects of the device. Deplore the lack of available technical information but do so as a journalist, not by simply gloating how you haven't added to the publicity.

Here is how I think a tech magazine/ site should handle a topic such as the iphone.

Address the substandard 3G coverage and the building global concern over these devices inability to handle 3G correctly.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1602608

Discuss how it will suck for Australian users as they continue to get reamed for data plans.

Discuss how the device compares to competing products which offer the same functionality. What data plans are available for those? How will services such as mobile me compare to Blackberry services or more so, how about Exchange services for windows mobile/ blackberry and iphone compare. Don't tell me you can't find sources regarding iphones exchange capabilities and limitations as these have been available for some time.

This would NOT have pandered to apple's marketing strategy and would be in line with Atomic of old where articles where written even if evidence was based on beta programs, rumor or where the product software was heading based on what the marketing stated.

If you wonder why I haven't bothered re-subscribing to Atomic it's because of things like this where contempt for a company and a quick link to someone else's work to justify it rather than giving a list of their own reasons means journalists who have lost their objectivity.

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TinBane 
17/7/08 1:47:59 PM
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Cyber:

What, an ex-employee during Apple's worst non-Jobs years?

But you know what, he's absolutely right. Market leaders who mention challengers in their ads just give away free advertising. It's a well established area of advertising theory.

As far as I'm concerned though, most people working in marketing are evil, no matter who they work for.


Edited by TinBane: 17/7/2008 1:53:40 PM

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s.o.u.p! 
17/7/08 1:52:11 PM
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Aussie telco's are prety much all crap.

All data levels are woefully inadequate, but all people ever go on about is speed, where's the point in a 128Zbps connection with only 500Mb of download?

As for mobiles, keeping stores in the dark is a normal thing, I'm not sure what the benefit is, but if you workl in mobile phones, be prepared to have people ask you questions you've been wanting answers to yourself for weeks.

In the linked article there is a quote about how to have a new iphone you'll "need a new number" that's just plain bullshit, it's something managers try to get their sales staff to push onto customers for better numbers, new number signups are worth more commission than resigning an old one.

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lunchbox1988 
17/7/08 1:54:48 PM
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Quote by TinBane
Lol. Limiting telcos? The only telco in Australia that doesn't allow a locked iphone to run on it's network is '3'. The reason why they don't have the iPhone isn't public knowledge, but I'd bet that it's not because Apple arbitrarily decided not to allow them to have it.

As for the macbook air, I don't think ANYBODY (steve jobs included) has ever said that the macbook air is for every computer user. It's patently not.

The fact that it fits in an envelope is just a marketing gimmick, it's not a selling point, any more than the selling point of a blendtec blender is it's ability to chew up hardware.

Anyone who has held a macbook air, knows that it doesn't feel like a piece of paper. As for the iPhone being mediocre, I don't see it that way. The fact is, the iPhone shows customers that there always exists a trade off. The iPhone is not a perfect phone. It's a damned nice phone. Even the article above admits that. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore hater, and irrational to boot, not to admit that. What it isn't, is the phone for everybody, or a perfect phone. EVERY phone ever made has trade-offs, and some people like to trade off some abilities rather than others.

I'm quite happy not to have MMS, video calls, or video recording on the iPhone. Because I have those features now, and I have never used any of them.

Optus and Vodafone's data plans, while not ideal, are cheaper than sending MMSes anyway. Sending to a single recipient, it's cheaper to send them a 1MB image via email, than to send them a single MMS. When you look at multiple recipients, it gets even more insane.

The main benefit of the iPhone, is the one we haven't seen too much of. It's ease of development, and the range of software that will be on it. With a proper os X kernel running, and a fantastic development suite, it will be great to see what apps people can come up with.



OK, I have felt the Macbook AIR, and found it to be as I said, flimsy to feel and annoying to look at.

The limitations with the iPhone I have found are that yes, MMS and video calls are not part of it, why the fuck not, I don't use either feature, but I think the iPhone team that developed this purely touchscreen piece of "technology" were more than capable of implementing these features.

No offence intended for the iPhone buyers/users/whatevers, but I think they are shithouse, and apple have done a great job of keeping me unimpressed with their marketing and development strategies.

TinBane, I am sure you are a fan, otherwise you wouldn't defend them so avidly, but frankly, arguing with me because I have a preference on mobile technology is futile as my preferences are my own, not yours, I am not trying to represent all atomicans with my views, purely myself.

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Chazzozz!! 
17/7/08 1:58:25 PM
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Quote by TinBane
The main benefit of the iPhone, is the one we haven't seen too much of. It's ease of development, and the range of software that will be on it. With a proper os X kernel running, and a fantastic development suite, it will be great to see what apps people can come up with.


This is exactly my interest in the iPhone, and also why I'm highly anticipating Android...when it finally arrives.

Apple have taken a step forward with the App Store, but it's still a closed-shop. I'd love to see them open it up wider to more development opportunities.

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