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Second Hard Drive, Internat, or External..??
xguntherc 
29/7/08 11:54:02 AM
Overlord

OK, so I have one 500GB Seagate Cuda Hard Drive. There good Model. the 7200.11 (11) is the newest model. it's got the 32 MB cache, and it has 3.0Gb/s they are good drives and they are getting Fairly cheap. I can get a brand new one for $79.99

So Here is my question. I have nothing to back-up all my Data to.. I really really need a second drive just in case of a Drive failure. it's happened to me once. I never wanna loose everything again. I have over 3,000 songs and Lots of Photo's and video's. I'm going to get one ASAP. I wanted everyone's opinion. I was thinkin to get an identical drive, and just make exact copy of my current drive, and have a program always do that.. so if I get a failure. I'm ok cuz I can just swap them out.. But then I started thinkin that maybe I want an external.. If I'm going out, going to a freinds house, or whatever. I was thinkin maybe a Seagate External. or Maybe those cool My Passport ones. whatever is best and cheapest.

So what does everyone think, what would be my best bet for best Drive, safest. and overall a good price ratio. I know external's sometimes die faster than internal cuz always getting moved and what not. so I'm just not sure..

Peoples Opinion's are very much wanted. Let me know what you think I should do. I'm only using around 300GB now.. maybe a lil more. but I plan to add to that.

Thanks, Cheers!

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wilsontc 
29/7/08 12:14:48 PM
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Well, the problem with externals is that they tend to die a lot faster than internals with continuous operation because of the lack of air flow in those little iddy bitty cases. If you're leaving it in 24/7, I'd go for an internal drive.

*edit*. Maybe you'll find it useful if I told you about my data backup system. I have a small file server, with 3x500GB drives in RAIDz. This protects against drive failure. I then bought one external case, and I have 3 or so disks that I use to make long term, archival backups of that static data that you mentioned; music, videos etc. Finally, I use a program called Unison to keep a copy of my work in three places; one on my desktop, one on my MacBook and one on my file server. Unison is great because it runs on my Windows desktop, my FreeBSD file server and my MacBook. It's got a sweet gui too, though you might find installing it is a bit difficult if you've never used a command line before. The other advantage of Unison is that it only copies what has changed, so it's very efficient, even over wireless or internet links.

Oh, and I use Subversion and Version Cue for my uni work too.


Edited by wilsontc: 29/7/2008 12:20:53 PM

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eckythump 
29/7/08 2:42:35 PM
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There are pros and cons to them all.

Do you have more than one computer at home? I'd recommend you get an adequately sized HDD and install it in another computer and backup over the network and sync them. If your PSU goes bang, it might fry everything in your machine, but it'd take a lot to fry everything in another machine, too. :)

And if you can stretch the budget, then yes, by all means, get yourself an external HDD, be it a brand-name pre-built, or a cheap enclosure + HDD and put it together yourself. The latter is usually cheaper, but you can sometimes get some pretty good specials on the pre-built offerings.

It's always nice to have portable data.

I'd also recommend that you tidy up your music collection. Make sure it's in a neat, sensible hierarchy. If it is, then you'd likely find a friend who'd be moree than willing to let you merge your colelction into their own, and then you've got another backup should your house explode.

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xguntherc 
29/7/08 2:57:12 PM
Overlord

Well, Thanks for the info Wilson, sounds like you have a lot of important stuff all to back-up. and plenty of places to back it up.. I don't need anything that extreme. I just want to basically back up pretty much everything I have. or all the important stuff at least.

and I'd probably want to have it on 24/7 if I got an external.. but then again I could just leave it off, and only turn it on when I need to. when I add something or get stuff I could back it up.. So should I back up everything. Like my entire C drive.. or should I just do the important things, like Programs, Pictures, movies and music..??

I was thinkin another identical to my current Drive. they are on sale for pretty cheap. But I might as well get a External and be able to take it with me if needed.

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xguntherc 
29/7/08 3:36:20 PM
Overlord

Ya if you can find good deals then go for them.. thats what I'm best at.. I'm always lookin for a good deal. I'm thinkin external because I can have portable 500GB.. that would be great.. I know that Firewire and eSATA are both much faster than USB2.0 but when it's something your only using to Back-up Data to.. and not something I'll be using on a daily basis, I'm thinkin that the speed is not all that much of importance.. as yes I could get a external that has USB and eSATA both.. but they cost a good $40 or more just for having the eSATA. and like I said, it's nice but not all that important.. the cheapest one I could find for a 500GB external HD by seagate was like 119.00 USD.. until I found this.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204110102&listingid=23608284&dcaid=17902

I'm thinkin I'll get that, Does not have eSATA or anything special. but it's cheap, and just what I need. How does this look. thats a GREAT deal and pretty cheap for 500GB and even better has a 5 yr warranty. what ya guys think?

Edit* Or something like a WD MyBook, I'd get a my passport but they only go to 320. The mybook looks like it has better cooling, as the Seagate doesn't have any vents at all from what I can see.. what do you guys think.??

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-500-Book-Essential/dp/B000XRK3LG


Edited by xguntherc: 29/7/2008 3:49:30 PM

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wilsontc 
31/7/08 12:30:56 AM
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Eckythump's suggestion is the best if protecting your data is important to you. If you have a second PC, put another HDD in that and backup via the network. We can walk you through free software programs to do this if you get to that stage.

For what you need, I don't think that a portable hdd is as good an idea as an internal. It doesn't sound like you'll be taking it with you very often, if ever, so it seems that the portability is more just nice to have, rather than an essential feature.

Also, it's probably a good idea to think about what you want to protect from. You can copy your data to another disk all day long, but if your OS disk dies, your computer still won't boot; you're not protected from hardware failure. On the other hand, mirroring your drive won't protect you from accidentally deleting files.

Obviously the best way to ensure your data is safe and maintain uptime is to do both RAID and backups. But this is generally out of the budget of most users. It really depends on how critical your data is to you.

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xguntherc 
31/7/08 5:52:09 AM
Overlord

Ya I see your point. I used to have a second PC.. my old HP. I actually just sold it. I probably shoulda kept it for the average daily things and what not. then could use this new build for gaming and extreme things. but I sold it. not to big a deal. it's ok. This is what I've decided to do. I got an External. might not be what you said but I'll explain.

I got a Seagate FreeAgent Pro 500GB tri interface, USB, Fire400, and eSATA so I have 500GB to move around. I read bad things about this drive, but then I read bad things about every drive. I heard more bad reviews about the WD mybook than this drive by FAR. plus I have now, and used seagate in the past and always like there drives.

So. I got the 500GB External FreAgent Pro. and I got a really good deal on it, on sale at buy.com plus I had a 10% off and a 25 bucks off next purchase coupons. so I paid like $85.00 USD for that thing. Not a bad deal. and now I have that on the way. I'm going to back-up everything to it. and I'm careful with all my stuff, so It will be in good care. and then within the next week or so I'm going to get a second Internal. identical to current Drive. a seagate cuda 500GB 32mb cache 7200.11 and throw that in there.. so i have both options. How's that sound.??


Edited by xguntherc: 31/7/2008 5:53:27 AM

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wilsontc 
31/7/08 10:22:49 AM
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Quote by xguntherc
Ya I see your point. I used to have a second PC.. my old HP. I actually just sold it. I probably shoulda kept it for the average daily things and what not. then could use this new build for gaming and extreme things. but I sold it. not to big a deal. it's ok. This is what I've decided to do. I got an External. might not be what you said but I'll explain.

I got a Seagate FreeAgent Pro 500GB tri interface, USB, Fire400, and eSATA so I have 500GB to move around. I read bad things about this drive, but then I read bad things about every drive. I heard more bad reviews about the WD mybook than this drive by FAR. plus I have now, and used seagate in the past and always like there drives.

So. I got the 500GB External FreAgent Pro. and I got a really good deal on it, on sale at buy.com plus I had a 10% off and a 25 bucks off next purchase coupons. so I paid like $85.00 USD for that thing. Not a bad deal. and now I have that on the way. I'm going to back-up everything to it. and I'm careful with all my stuff, so It will be in good care. and then within the next week or so I'm going to get a second Internal. identical to current Drive. a seagate cuda 500GB 32mb cache 7200.11 and throw that in there.. so i have both options. How's that sound.??


Edited by xguntherc: 31/7/2008 5:53:27 AM




That sounds pretty good. In fact, you could, if you wanted to, set up both RAID and backups. I'm assuming you're using Windows; versions 2000 onwards can do a RAID 1, that is, a mirror of the drive. If one drive fails, Windows will tell you about it, but will continue to work as normal.

The catch is, I think you may need to have done this at install time, but hopefully I'm wrong. You can check now by going to control panel -> admin tools -> computer management and look for storage options. Right click on your C: drive and convert to dynamic disk.

If it allows you to do this, you can set up a mirror without losing any data. Otherwise, you can use your internal drive (when you get it) to just copy your data constantly. People in the Windows OS section will be able to give you a Windows centric solution; sorry, I only know about Unix!

Just remember to keep your backups as fresh as possible; that's why setting up a script to do it for you is the best bet.

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xguntherc 
31/7/08 1:32:57 PM
Overlord

Ya. Cool, I will see how it all goes. I'm thinkin it will be good. I have Vista.

I'm going tot ry and Backup everything as often as I can. but I'm not sure if I'm going to use a program that does it for me, as much as I'd love to have that happen. I don't wanna run the Ext HD 24/7 I only wanna use it when needed.. as a safeguard. ya know.!

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xguntherc 
1/8/08 10:10:09 AM
Overlord

uh ya, so I paid for the FREE 7-9 day shipping, instead of 3-5 days for $14.99. and I ordered it yesterday.

and to my surprise it's here today.. Buy.com is usually pretty slow with shipping, so I ordered the free long shipping and I got this thing OVERNIGHT. not bad at all.

So, Question. This is actually my first complete back-up to an external, I'd love to get some people's Idea's, Tips, or input on what I should do, and how I should do it. I was thinkin about just moving over the entire C: Drive. I am NOT going to run this thing 24/7 as I don't wanna overheat it. I'm only going to use it as needed, or maybe once a week to be safe. It came with a software, not sure how good it is tho.. Please share your input guys.

Thanks, Cheers!

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aliali 
19/8/08 11:05:10 AM
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A full C:\ drive backup? Then what you want is a drive image programme. I use either Acronis Trueimage or Paragon Drivebackup for doing disk images, but you do have to buy them. Some reckon Driveimage XML (free) is ok too.

Hmm looks like Paragon have a free version now which could be worth trying
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/features.html although it does not allow extraction of individual files from the backup image like Acronis Trueimage or Paragon Drivebackup full.
Not sure on what the FreeAgent Pro can do but I would assume it is a file and folder backup only, not a whole OS backup, including boot sectors etc.

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