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wheelz 
3/9/08 3:11:48 PM
Overlord

Im still a little confused on exactly which mobo I should choose, I dont really have a shortlist, but I have some parameters to fill.

I have a Q9550 CPU

I have 4G DDR3 1600 RAM

I have an Antec Twelve Hundred case which will be housing Watercooling.(undecided on exact product choice there)

I have a 4870 Gfx Card, and I won't be going Xfire

I have a 1 x 640 GB WD HDD and 1 x 1 TB WD HDD (no plans to expand on that for quite a while)

I have an antec neo power 650 watt PSU

I have two DVD burners.

I have Vista Ultimate 64 bit.

I have no sound card. (may get one though, undecided as of now)


Based on this configuration, and the fact that I'll be OC'ing as far as Watercooling will take me, what is an ideal Mobo to look at?

I'd like to have independant FSB / RAM settings and if possible an external Bios reset button.

Suggestions??


Edited by wheelz: 3/9/2008 03:13:15 PM

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confined 
4/9/08 12:47:12 AM
Immortal

2x2GB or 4x1GB in regard to the RAM?

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2SHY 
4/9/08 9:51:16 AM
Journeyman
If you are not going to SLI or Crossfire, i would recommend Gigabyte P45.

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aaronbajado 
4/9/08 11:39:56 AM
Banned
go for asus maximus extreme, Foxconn BlackOp, GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4, ASUS Rampage Extreme. this cards will surely use all the power of DDR3 mems.

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osama_bin_athlon 
4/9/08 12:37:41 PM
Hero
Immortal


only if you're absolutely positive you won't be going Xfire, get the P45 mobo (I'm using a P5Q, and am very happy with it)
ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxMywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2273&l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4
GA-EP45T-EXTREME
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2861
GA-EP45-DS3R
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2842
DFI DK P45-T2RS
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/reviews/7214-dfi-dk-p45-t2rs-mini-living-review-first-look-abs-aut

there's a few.

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eckythump 
4/9/08 4:02:56 PM
Champion

I think it's worth noting that you don't have to buy a super-duper fancy EXTREME!@# board to get awesome overlocking perofrmance.

The Gigabyte P35 and P45 based DS3 series boards are an excellent example of things.

I'd been leaning towards the GA-EP45T-DS3

The GA-EP45T-EXTREME likely has a little more overclocking headroom, but I expect it to be minimal, and I find that board fairly distasteful when I examine the feature list for its price-tag.

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wheelz 
4/9/08 5:58:42 PM
Overlord

I have 2 X 2G Dimms.
Thanks for all the advice guys, I was initially leaning towards a Gigabyte board, purely because I have an ASUS P4C 800-E Deluxe board atm, and I hate it.
It has random rebooted since the day I bought it, Overclocks horribly (max I can get a P4C 2.8Ghz too is 3.1 stable. It also slows down my ram if I OC at ALL.
So Im a bit put off ASUS.
But...
The P5Q3 looks like a exactly what I want (except it has Xfire, but at least its an option if I ever need it)
I might go price it and make a final decision.

Dont want any extreme boards. Don't see the point.

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osama_bin_athlon 
4/9/08 7:58:18 PM
Hero
Immortal


the 2nd 16x PCI-E slot defaults to 8x if you run Xfire, which is pretty shitful - why not get a X38, or an X48 - at least they have 2x full 16x slots......already 'won't Xfire' has turned into 'maybe I'll Xfire' and you haven't even got the mobo yet.....
an X38 can be bought for around $200 (Asus P5E)
then at least you have the option.
I'm running the base model P5Q, which only has the 1x 16x graphics slot (but with a 3870X2 - he he)
dunno about a DDR3 version of that board - don't think so.

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tantryl 
5/9/08 9:55:21 AM
SuperHero
Immortal


You've already bought the DDR3-1600?

Pity.

Agree with the GA-EP45T- series for non-xfire and the GA-X48T- series for xfire.


Edited by tantryl: 5/9/2008 9:55:37 AM

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wheelz 
5/9/08 2:37:35 PM
Overlord

Osama- I'm very fickle mate :)

Tantryl- Yeah, I know its over priced overkill, but DDR 3 1600 is quite quick, probably too quick for any quad core currently available (unless we go crazy cooling) but I got it very cheap.(and can sell at the same price to a mate if I like, he wants it BAD)

Would you suggest selling it and going back to DDR 2 1066 or 800? I understand from a price point of view, but isnt faster better, ultimately? Big downside is cheaper boards arent really available that support DDR 3 with a decent feature set.

I have the option of selling the RAM and re-investing into DDR2 and a mobo to suit. I just need convincing that its a smart move performance wise.


Edited by wheelz: 5/9/2008 2:39:48 PM

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tantryl 
5/9/08 3:59:53 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


Due to the timing difference and more importantly the Intel Core 2 architecture's complete indifference to the excess bandwidth, DDR2-1066 is about the same speed as DDR3-1600.

See http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ddr3-1600_8.html

There's nothing wrong with it per se, it's just a shitload more money that could be spent on a CPU or graphics card that'd actually make a difference in performance.

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wheelz 
8/9/08 12:56:09 PM
Overlord

Okay, thanks Tantryl, I've done my research (always pays to do this! as I've just learnt) and the RAM is sold top my OC obsessed mate, along with the Q9550.

I have decided on the Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS4P and have purchased it.

I ended up grabbing DDR2 800 RAM 5-5-5-15 timings aswell.

With my savings I now have a CPU to buy. Research has shown that the Q9550 is not the best value for money, as you pay a premium for a small gain in performance.

Current choices include

Q6600, Q6700, Q9400

Any thoughts here on getting the highest clock possible from these chips? I want Quad core as I do alot of rendering and video encoding.

I *may* sell my 4870 (mate will take that too) and use my current savings on the RAM and CPU to grab a 4870 X2.

If I do this, which processor (OC'd of course) best matches the X2? dont want any bottlenecks if I can help it.

thoughts?

note to any other noobs - DONT buy first and think later, it's a PITA.


Edited by wheelz: 8/9/2008 12:57:50 PM

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tantryl 
8/9/08 2:31:54 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


With the DDR2-800 you can get the Q6600 up as far as 3.6GHz before you even have to overclock the DDR2-800, and 4GHz with the Q6700.

But you'd need a top notch cooler like the Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 and a good fan like the Scythe S-Flexs or Kazes to even get close to those, and you might drop short anyway.

Overclocking the Q9400 you'd have to overclock the RAM as well to get it up to the mid 3GHz range. You'd likely only be able to push it as far as the Q6700. On the other hand it'll generate less heat and draw less power doing so.

All of them are OK options. You'll get at least 3GHz on the Q6600 and you can potentially get up to around 3.7GHz. I'd probably go with it and a good cooler, less stress to the mainboard and RAM.

Hope you've got a good PSU though :P

*EDIT* Just saw the Neo 650W. Good PSU. The Q6600 overclocked will hit 180Wish, the 4870X2 will hit 260W all on it's lonesome at stock. You'll be looking at a big arse 500W draw all up, even that good quality 650W will feel it.


Edited by tantryl: 8/9/2008 2:33:19 PM

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wheelz 
8/9/08 2:47:47 PM
Overlord

Thanks Tantryl.

So if I was to go with the Q9400 I'd want DDR2 1066 to get to OC properly.. I spose I could change my order before it is dispatched..

And as it stands it looks like the Q6700 would be a smarter choice for the DDr2 800 I already have...

Was considering Watercooling, or as you have suggested a thermalrite True 120 with a decent fan. Not sure which is better for my proposed setup.

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Tech-Kid 
8/9/08 4:08:36 PM
Champion
On 800MHZ ram the Q9400 can do 3.2GHz on stock volts. Anything above 3.2GHz needs you to overclock the ram and yes, 1066MHz will benefit heaps.

Personally, with the choice of the P45, your going to hit high fab on the Q9400 anyway so keep it and don't get the Q6xxx.

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wheelz 
8/9/08 5:19:02 PM
Overlord

Order changed...

So it's now DDR2 1066 and Q9400 coming my way.

Fuck it, Im grabbing a 4870 X2 with the savings (+ about a $100).

Thanks all, nothing like a bit of educated help.

Now I'm off to the Cooling and the Overclocking forums to finalise my build :)

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