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Discuss: GIGABYTE Overclocking Competition IS BACK!
Shikimaru 
19/6/08 3:52:12 PM
Guru

anyone who wants to can enter, that is the point, you may get beaten by someone with a faster CPU, but that's the point.

This competition isn't about making things fair and everyone happy, it's about overclocking and going as fast as you can. Even with core 2's people who put out the cash to buy a Extreme edition CPU are going to be at an advantage over those of us who have ageing C2Duo's or cheap ones.

Trust me, the person who wins won't be the one with the most cash strapped to their thigh

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
19/6/08 4:05:36 PM
Titan

I entered, though I'm in NZ :P

There's no NZ option, and barely any Oz states haha.

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Hobo Man 
19/6/08 4:13:52 PM
Champion

"It ultimately comes down to the old quip that you simply can't make everyone happy. So, we've done our best to meet the needs of the majority."

My point is that the majority is missing out - even in the air cooling section.
You can pretty much air cool any processor and still get an overclock out of it. People can have an air cooled Uber Q9XXX series and that will have an advantage over the majority who are still on single or dual core (as shown in the statistics shown in my last post).
The rules are great for the high end, but for the low end/air cooling they need to be modified to have a standardised cheap cpu - such as a Intel Celeron 430 (which can be aquired for $40 - $50) or if you insist on dual core then a e2200 for $85-$90.


Edited by Hobo Man: 19/6/2008 4:14:26 PM

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Shikimaru 
19/6/08 4:19:31 PM
Guru

Quote by Hobo Man
"It ultimately comes down to the old quip that you simply can't make everyone happy. So, we've done our best to meet the needs of the majority."

My point is that the majority is missing out - even in the air cooling section.
You can pretty much air cool any processor and still get an overclock out of it. People can have an air cooled Uber Q9XXX series and that will have an advantage over the majority who are still on single or dual core (as shown in the statistics shown in my last post).
The rules are great for the high end, but for the low end/air cooling they need to be modified to have a standardised cheap cpu - such as a Intel Celeron 430 (which can be aquired for $40 - $50) or if you insist on dual core then a e2200 for $85-$90.


Edited by Hobo Man: 19/6/2008 4:14:26 PM



I agree with you on most counts, it would be nice to have a cheap section so that the big bad boys with the expensive CPU's can't blow you out of the water, but it's not going to happen, in fact 8/10 times the CPU with the unlocked multi is going to win. Why? i can hear you scream, primally and with such a sadness that baby Jesus weeps giant tears of thermal compound. Why you say? Because YOU could be that 2/10!

my point, don't give up, use every resource you can, and you may just win

:)


Edited by Shikimaru: 19/6/2008 4:20:32 PM

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youngpro 
19/6/08 4:39:24 PM
Initiate
not sure if you noticed but times are changing,

you could win this competition with a kit of crucial ballistix, a p45 entry level board and an e8500, thats $550 worth of hardware if you get good deals...

just push hard, people with skills get noticed no matter if you have a pentium d or 9650

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CERA 
19/6/08 5:10:52 PM
Serf
if you all stopped winging about how you would change the competition and get overclocking you might get somewhere. perhaps you should just focus on how great this is for the overclocking scene in Australia!!!!!!! this is a great step in the right direction for sure. Australia has so many good overclockers at the moment and it is going to be a great competition.

So maybe you should spend the same amount of time learning how to overclock maybe rather than winging and you would be able to develop the skills to be able to be able to compete in a competition like this.

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Josh Collins 
19/6/08 5:25:04 PM
God

I knew someone would point it out but wasn't expecting you to post youngpro, hahah. But yeah, you've got it in one man – cheers.


Hobo Man, below I'll quote some of your suggestions and constructive criticism with the hope of providing some further insight into the thought put behind this competition.



According to http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
a majority of PC users are still using single core with a frequency of 2.3 Ghz to 2.69 Ghz, sure you are going for the high end - but with only 4.36 % of users on quad core - the amount of the really high end cpu's owned by people would have to be lower.



Perhaps I wasn’t entirely clear with my statement and said it with a slight amount of assumed knowledge according to my own understanding of ‘what is Atomic’, industry information on the local market and doing ‘our best to meet the needs of the majority’.

It’s true that the steam hardware survey offers a rather useful and interesting overall statistical understanding of the current hardware used throughout the world. But let me explain to you why this isn’t particularly on-point for the Australian market and even then, the general Atomic crowd.

Firstly, and this was rammed home stupidly hard while I was in Taiwan for Computex, Australia has a very high early adopter rate for new technology compared to other areas of APAC and even more-so compared to Europe and North America.

What this means is that there is, on a percentage of the population look at the purchasing of Australian hardware consumers, more high-end and mid-to-high-end models purchased as a percentage compared to the likes of say Thailand, New Zealand (soz fat bodybuilder =P), Indonesia, Singapore and even the home of much of this tech, Taiwan – don’t even get me started on China…

Although countries and regions such as North America and China may have a greater overall number of products flowing through the retail and channel markets due to the huge population, the percentage value of the high-end gear is significantly lower than compared to Australia. A good example is that during the NVIDIA G80 days, on percentage per populous, Australia was one of the highest ranked countries and regions selling 8800GTX products and after meeting with a number of tier 1 GPU partners while in Taiwan, this trend looks to have continued throughout G92 and likely to continue for GT200.

What all of this rambling is getting to is the understanding of the greater majority. While the steam hardware survey shows a global coverage, it doesn’t effectively show the differences between regions. This means that, for example, it doesn’t take into account that the best selling 8-series GPU in China were the 8400GS and 8500GT due to the unbelievably huge uptake of net cafes with the government allowing internet access and the generally low overall standard of living for the population. This is compared to the premium cards such as 8800GTX being the favoured flavour of the Australian scene. This also comes down to the fact that although Aussies want a bargain, we also respect and understand the benefits of high performance.

Now throw at this the understanding that the Atomic crowd is a cut above the rest and you begin to understand why we believe the majority to be above the common norm that you may find in the results for the likes of the steam survey.




Also - Again Super pi is being used, move onto multi core benchmarks dammit!
If you insist that people use uber high end hardware then at least it would be nice to actually utilize all the cores of such hardware.





I say this next comment simply out of confusion, not due to snobbery or with a cock attached to my head, but didn’t you want an even playing field?

By moving to a multi-threaded application you straight away take away any chance of anything beneath a quad, well, having a chance.

We are not insisting on people using uber high end hardware and by maintaining the use of a single threaded application it means that you don’t need a QX9650 to take out a win.

This also leads to why I thanked youngpro for his reply, because a considerably cheap high performance rig, be it for gaming or just benching for the heck of it, can be had for quite a cheap cost. As he said, grab some cheap Micron D9 based DDR2, an E8400 or E8500 and pair it with a quality motherboard – doesn’t have to be P45, heck prior to these the best 45nm dual core overclocking boards were old P965 based – and then with this combo you’ve got a killer chance of even taking out the whole comp.


One thing I really want to take a moment to mention and focus on is that it isn’t all about coming first. All of the overclocking legends had to place 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 10th, hell even further back in the field, before they rose to numero uno. Competing isn’t all about winning; it is also about the enjoyment of trying to catch up to the person in front of you, all the while watching your arse and trying to stay ahead of the guy behind you. This is what competition is about and this is what drives the top people in any sport, be it our sport of overclocking or le tour de France.

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David Hollingworth 
19/6/08 5:26:03 PM
God

FATALITY.

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
19/6/08 5:36:29 PM
Titan

The only problem with the comp is, and listen carefully as I don't wanna sound like a winger:

People will come up to atomic, people who nobody knows, they will make 2, if not 1 posts, then they will enter the comp with their user ID as required, and they know that they are able to do good, and then they will get into the final, win awesome hardware, and god knows that we will never hear from them again. Really gets to me.

I would actually go out of my way to do what Young Pro suggested if NZers were allowed in :P (DW I know that there are obvious reasons) and I would SMASH YOU ALL!

I'm getting Crucial Ballistix soon actually, we'll see how I go.

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Shikimaru 
19/6/08 5:54:07 PM
Guru

lol at FB

I'm winning the damn comp Biach, if i get my new CPU ;)

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Hobo Man 
19/6/08 5:57:40 PM
Champion

Thanks for the reply Josh :)

The super pi thing was meaning that in the higher end section of the comp, it would be more accurate having a multithreaded benchmark. But I can see where it looks like I contradicted myself here.

I won't give up - I hope to be able to get some good scores and then leave it at that.

hobo

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CERA 
19/6/08 6:02:36 PM
Serf
I think what you are taking to be a negative thing is not actually a bad thing at all. It’s great that all people from different forums around oz are coming together to atomic for this special event.

What it brings to atomic is enthusiasts with more experience and for the people who want to learn rather than whinge, they will be able to learn by what others are posting during this time. On the internet there are so many places to have discussions on this. Therefore if you are really interested in overclocking you will know the best places to go to get advice.

this brings publicity for atomic and shows how dedicated atomic is at being such a leader in extreme overclocking, atomic members can know where to go and who to contact and during the competition talk about their tweaks for the time. i think you will find people are more than willing to share their ideas and help each other.

Australia has been waiting for this sort of publicity and event for a long time. It should be a good competition. Now sit down, shut up and learn how to tweak :)

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nesquick 
19/6/08 6:37:03 PM
Guru

no one answered my question about could i enter only stage one i need money not hardware lol $2000 would help pay half of my next semester at university.

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Hobo Man 
19/6/08 7:43:41 PM
Champion

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/mystichobo69/pi3.jpg

Theres my current attempt

e2140@3528.2mhz

Thats with kingston 667mhz DDR2 (valueram ftw!)
Need to do a xp reinstall for extra speed, cause I cant run setfsb in safe mod :(


Edited by Hobo Man: 19/6/2008 7:48:11 PM

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Shikimaru 
19/6/08 7:44:58 PM
Guru

fucking YES!

nice work, that is brilliant work!

setFSB won't work in Fista :(

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Hobo Man 
19/6/08 7:52:08 PM
Champion

Quote by Shikimaru
fucking YES!

nice work, that is brilliant work!

setFSB won't work in Fista :(



thanks mate :)
I swear I have seen a screenshot of setfsb in Vista somewhere.

The website says "Version 2.x !!! Current Platform: Windows Vista/2003/XP/2000/NT4/Me/98 [x86/x64]"

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Shikimaru 
19/6/08 7:53:42 PM
Guru

oh?

SWEET!!

/rides train of in windoze overclocking!

:/

Not working.. pops up an error. I looked up the web site and found my Motherboard as well :(


Edited by Shikimaru: 19/6/2008 08:08:45 PM

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nesquick 
19/6/08 8:51:35 PM
Guru

dont be lazy :P just use the bios and that score is easy to beat my current best is 12.515s i need to reboot at 4.0ghz to get a cpuz validation tho.

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
19/6/08 8:55:58 PM
Titan

Using software isn't lazy, you can often squeeze extra MHz via a combination of BIOS and software overclocking.

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Hobo Man 
19/6/08 9:01:12 PM
Champion

Quote by .:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Using software isn't lazy, you can often squeeze extra MHz via a combination of BIOS and software overclocking.



exactly, I can't boot into windows with it at my speed, but @3344mhz I can, and then OC in windows.

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