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Sony Bravia X vs Samsung 650
cg776 
18/7/08 2:37:49 PM
Overlord
Hi, regardless of the current deals (I already have a PS3),
I'm wondering what people's opinions are when comparing the Sony Bravia X LCD TVs against the Samsung 650 series. Specifically in the 40" category.
I plan to use the TV in a 3 x 4 metre room and it will double as a monitor for my computer(s) and as a TV.

I haven't had a chance to demo the TVs yet, but from the specs (the important ones anyway):
Sony: ~$2800 (includes PS3)
100Hz
8ms response
2200:1 contrast

Samsung: $~2400 (includes BD player)
100Hz
4ms response
50000:1 contrast

So it seems as though the Samsung would serve as a better monitor due to the better response time, and possibly have better picture quality from the contrast ratio, and its cheaper. I also think the Samsung looks a little better (going to wall mount), but that is not important (unless it comes down to the wire).
Any comments would be appreciated, I'd also like to hear from anyone who has used a LCD HDTV as a monitor and how that goes/went as well.

Thanks in advance.

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Krazy8 
18/7/08 7:10:17 PM
Serf
Second that, was also thinking of getting me 40 inches of sony goodness, even another company lcd tv would suffice as i do watch a lot of tv/movies on my pc, and when the 4870x2 arrives, will be playing call of duty 4 a lot, possibly mass effect too.

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Burning_Feet_Man 
18/7/08 9:14:16 PM
Champion

lol, you genuinely think samsungs lcds have a contrast ratio of 50000:1.


lol.

samsung: cheap, 3yr warranty, stupidly reflective panel. poor with motion. cheap, did i mention highly reflective. crap bluray player.

sony: expensive, 1 year warranty, not reflective, good with motion, expensive. ps3.

samsungs offer good value for money, but they are bad with reds and the design is just hideous. sonys you are in part paying for the brand, but atleast the technology works. well. besides, free ps3.

im typing this from my 40" tv. you'll never go back to a puny lame 24-30" monitor again.

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superfireydave 
18/7/08 9:53:42 PM
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Quote by Burning_Feet_Man
im typing this from my 40" tv. you'll never go back to a puny lame 24-30" monitor again.


Unless you want high resolution and a nice dot pitch =P

On topic though, perhaps try and see if you can notice a difference between the two instore. It's not optimal, but you might be able to notice one or two things about each TV that you really like/dislike.

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cg776 
18/7/08 10:14:28 PM
Overlord
hmmm, interesting.
Until I compare them, I won't know which way to go, I honestly thought the Samsung would be better than the SONY, but I guess we'll see.
I guess the other possibility is something like a Sharp Aquos, I haven't seen any of them either, but apparently they have won a few awards.
I am dissappointed to hear that the Samsung is not good with motion, I honestly expected it to be better judging by the 4ms response time...
Also, in the room I plan to use the TV, reflection could be an issue, if my MacBook screen's reflection is anything to go by...

Glad to hear a 40" LCD TV can make a good monitor though :)



Edited by cg776: 18/7/2008 10:18:46 PM

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TheFrunj 
18/7/08 11:49:54 PM
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Take your macbook to the store, along with a VGA cable (or DVI>HDMI) and ask to test them out.

That's what I would do, just play videos on it to see :)

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MisterK 
19/7/08 10:54:04 AM
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Seeing as Samsung make the panels for both themselves and Sony, the only real difference (between equivalent models) is in the electronics/control.
Sony has the better 100mhz technology, Samsung is cheaper.
I personally don't like the 100mhz tech from either company, it looks very unnatural to my eye. So that's a non-issue for me. I'd get a Samsung.

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cg776 
19/7/08 6:17:38 PM
Overlord
I went in to JB HiFi (Warrawong) today, they had a 650 Samsung (which looked quite sexy with the red, and picture quality was decent, but reflection was definitely there (not quite as bad as 4 and 5 series though). Then I stepped in front of a Bravia X and while I know they were showing some BluRay movie (looked like the sequel to 'A Bugs Life' or something) using HDMI to create optimal circumstances, it definitely stood out. Motion was fluid, and picture quality was sharper, I could make out more detail.
The only annoyance was that they weren't side by side for a proper comparison. They had the Sony surrounded by LGs and Panasonics, the Panasonics looked ok, but I still think the SONY is the way to go, especially when you get a free PS3.
I tried to see if they'd lower the price, but all they offerred was a free HDMI cable that they claimed was worth $120.

So I think I'm going to get the Bravia X, but I'd still really appreciate any other input people could give (currently ~$2800).
I'l also be really grateful if people could advise on getting the price down.
Also, I checked the SONY site for that PS3 counter, and they still have ~15000 PS3s left, in case anyone was wondering:
http://www.sony.com.au/homecinema/article.jsp?id=4129


Edited by cg776: 19/7/2008 6:21:46 PM

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MisterK 
19/7/08 9:10:16 PM
Champion

Quote by cg776
I'l also be really grateful if people could advise on getting the price down.



http://shop.gameon.net.au/p/529579/samsung-40-101cm-lcd-tv---la40a650.html

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Frizzl 
20/7/08 3:39:52 AM
Titan

to be honest with you that price is very decent and close to cost on that tv so they really can't do much better.. Sorry my comment is brief its from an iPod touch.

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cg776 
21/7/08 1:07:25 AM
Overlord
Well...after all that, I went and bought a Panasonic VIERA 37"...from Domayne, after playing Domayne and JB Hifi off against each other.
I paid $2875 all up:
The TV: TX-37LZD850A for $2300 ($200 off) - http://panasonic.com.au/products/specifications.cfm?objectID=4362
Belkin 2.4m HDMI cable for $175 (rrp $250);
Exteneded replacement warranty to 5 years for $250 (rrp $600);
Telehook wall mounting bracket $150 (rrp $299);

I probably got ripped off a bit for the cable, but apart from that I think it was a decent price.

The Panasonic is very impressive, since I want to use it as a monitor as well, I needed something that was sharp, I think the 37" size suits that purpose better than the 40" SONY X. They have the same dot pitch, and same res.
I noticed in the shop(s) that the SONY was stunning when a BD movie was playing, but anything non-HD wasn't as good as what the Panasonic can display, I found the contrast of the Panasonic to be a bit better and as I said, the picture was that little bit sharper.

I'm watching the F1 on Ten SD now and its pretty good, the Panasonic handles fast motion really well, it also looks billiant when connected to my PS3. So far I've only played 720p games, but they look the best I've seen.
I connected my MacBook up via VGA, it looks good from 1.5m+ away but any closer and you do notice a bit of pixelation (1280 x 800), I'll pick up a DVI adapter and connect a DVI to HDMI link and see how that goes, the MacBook is meant to be able to output 1920 x 1080 through DVI.


Edited by cg776: 21/7/2008 01:10:26 AM

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MisterK 
21/7/08 9:18:34 AM
Champion

Quote by cg776
I probably got ripped off a bit for the cable, but apart from that I think it was a decent price.



Yeah, by about $160

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cg776 
21/7/08 10:17:06 AM
Overlord
lol, it was the Belkin 'high end' one, I was hearing warning bells when they likened it to a monster cable - I've heard they are over-priced & over-rated.
I had thought of just picking up a HDMI cable cheaper from somewhere like Jaycar or online somewhere but it was convenient, and considering the rest of the deal, I thought I did OK overall, maybe I could refund the cable and get it cheaper elsewhere...?

JB Hi-Fi offered the TV, same 5 year warranty and a 1m HDMI cable (not sure what brand/quality it was) for $2699, if anyone was interested...

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Swoodle 
21/7/08 3:57:04 PM
Serf
If you already have a PS3 I'd get the Samsung. This is quiet funny because I got my Sony Bravia 40' X series last Thursday, my parents went out on Friday and got the Samsung.

The picture on the Samsung is great, and a much better looking TV. Just read you bought a Panasonic. .. . oh well i'll post anyway.

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cg776 
21/7/08 5:11:33 PM
Overlord
The bezel etc of the Samsung looked good (650 series with that red to black gradient was very cool), but I did find the screen a bit reflective and it didn't handle some fast motion video as well as the SONY or the Panasonic imo, the LOD was better in the SONY and Panasonic aswell, at least I thought so.

I think at the end of the day, the SONY 40" was just too big for the room I'd be using it in, if anything the Panasonic is really pushing it for being oversized, I just need to get a wireless keyboard now so I can use it as my monitor, then I'll be set.
It is quite luxurious having a personal tv that size, and will look great once I manage to mount it on the wall.
I just need to work out where the wall studs are and then organise the cabling in the wall cavity...any tips on installing it on the wall?
Are wall plates the way to go or just two holes with those desk cable management thingies...?

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superfireydave 
21/7/08 6:20:11 PM
Titan

Quote by MisterK
Quote by cg776
I probably got ripped off a bit for the cable, but apart from that I think it was a decent price.



Yeah, by about $160


It's impossible to buu cheap HDMI cables in most places, so for a 2.4m one that's probably well made the OP didn't do *too* badly.

Having said, I've got a cheap 1.8m one here I paid $30 for which does the same job cause it's all digital, but I could only find one place even remotely close to me who sells HDMI this cheap =P

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Josho 
22/7/08 2:14:39 PM
Overlord

Quote by superfireydave
Quote by MisterK
Quote by cg776
I probably got ripped off a bit for the cable, but apart from that I think it was a decent price.



Yeah, by about $160


It's impossible to buu cheap HDMI cables in most places, so for a 2.4m one that's probably well made the OP didn't do *too* badly.

Having said, I've got a cheap 1.8m one here I paid $30 for which does the same job cause it's all digital, but I could only find one place even remotely close to me who sells HDMI this cheap =P



import from asia? does play-asia.com do cables?

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MisterK 
22/7/08 3:28:42 PM
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Quote by Josho
import from asia? does play-asia.com do cables?


http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HDMI+1.8

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Burning_Feet_Man 
22/7/08 7:16:45 PM
Champion

excellent choice, that panasonic rips the sony and samsungs to shreds. its a far superior tv.

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cg776 
23/7/08 1:06:42 PM
Overlord
The Static-ice prices are all well and good for a 1.8 meter cable, but try anything longer than that (say 2.4m) and the price jumps to a $99 starting point:
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HDMI+2.4

Quote by Burning_Feet_Man
excellent choice, that panasonic rips the sony and samsungs to shreds. its a far superior tv.



Thanks very much, I'm really happy with it, and its nice to know its not just me who thought so, cheers.

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