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Dell 24" monitors
ddoctor 
6/7/08 3:17:12 AM
Learner

dell.com.au lists 2 24" monitors:

Dell E248WFP 24" Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor: $500
Dell UltraSharp™ 2408WFP 24" Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor: $800

Is there much difference between them? Is the cheaper one rubbish (hope not, because its shortlisted)?


The shortlist:
24" Samsung 245B $550
24" Dell E248WFP $500
28" Viewsonic VX2835WM $640

Which is better?

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m0zes 
6/7/08 8:14:39 AM
Champion
The main differences between the two dells are as follows:
-The 2408 uses an s-pva panel with 8-bit colour reproduction
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-The 248 uses a tn panel with 6-bit colour reproduction

Because of the panel differences the following differences occur
-The 2408 has better viewing angles and colour
-The 248 has a slightly better response time and no input lag - this is a highly subjective issue, some people will notice input lag other will not.

The other main differences are the the 2408 comes with a better stand that allows rotating of the panel into a portrait orientation and the 2408 has considerably more input options.

All up personally i think the 2408 even though it is $300 more is actually the better buy between the two. But it does come down to what you'll be using the monitor for, if it's mainly gaming and media then i'd be going for the 28" viewsonic - excellent value for money. Although it to uses a 6-bit tn panel [thus same issues apply], it has the extra viewing area, worse dot-pitch that really isn't a problem for gaming and plenty of input options [allowing you to plug in several consoles] make it a great buy.

cheers


Edited by m0zes: 6/7/2008 8:16:10 AM

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brianlane 
6/7/08 12:50:10 PM
Serf
Just wondering if anyone can help, I noticed Viewsonic have a VA, VG, VX and VP range. How can I tell which has the better 8 bit s-vpa panel?

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illdrift 
6/7/08 2:32:14 PM
Primarch

The price :P. The only consistent specs are the viewing angles, 6 bit tn panel's are rated at 160/160, 8 bit panels are rated at 178/178, though they may not necessarily be s-pva (could be s-ips, mva, etc).

They used to be advertised as 16.2 million colours for 6 bit and 16.7 million for 8 bit, but that doesn't really hold anymore. 6 bit panels are being advertised as 16.7million colours, the screens apparently have better dithering methods or something now.

The numbers go something like this:

2 values (0 or 1) ^ 8 bits per colour band ^ 3 colours (rgb)

2^8^3 = 16.7million for 8 bit
2^6^3 = 260,000, and then dithering between those shades puts it up to 16.2million different colours

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brianlane 
7/7/08 12:27:08 AM
Serf
You have saved me hours of research illdrift so thanks. Other than the viewing angle, is buying a 6 bit panel a major disadvantage? Also another thread mentioned something about led monitors, are they the best to opt for? Things seemed to be so much easier in the CRT days.

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illdrift 
7/7/08 8:51:31 PM
Primarch

6bit vs 8bit really comes down to personal preference. I used to own an 8bit dell, but now have 6 bit viewsonic screens. I would prefer 8 bit but i wouldn't want to pay much more than $100 extra for it.

However i am on the least fussy side of the scale, people at the other end will gladly pay $300+ for the benefit.

You really need to see them for yourself to determine where you stand.

I personally don't notice the viewing angles either. You might if you have to view the lcd from a large angle, but anything <30 degrees and i doubt you could even tell the difference.

I haven't read much about led monitors so don't have to much to comment on them. I think that rather than having a single(?) large backlight, theres a lot more led's instead. The end result is a much better contrast. Last i saw of them, they seemed quite pricey.

This site may also be of use, though it's a little outdated now:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

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superfireydave 
7/7/08 10:15:03 PM
Titan

Yeeeeeeeeeah.
It sounds like you want to spend the least amount possible, so go for the cheapest one and you'll be happy - at least for a small time.

Technically speaking, the (relatively) more expensive Dell is the best. Better colour production (dithered doesn't come close to proper colour, ask anyone who works with colour), better viewing angles (even though the claim is there's not much difference, there's colour differentiation and distortion at various angles) etc.

Also:
http://www.google.com.au

There's a shitload of information on the net that you can digest at your leisure.

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brianlane 
8/7/08 12:06:04 AM
Serf
Thanks again illdrift, that's a great link and I've lots to read!!

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chil 
8/7/08 6:55:16 PM
Overlord

I just got the 28" Viewsonic VX2835WM for $625 from MSY on Saturday and I have to say I am very happy with it, it's quite bright out of the box, you just have to set it up to how you like it, overall I recommend it to those that want it for gaming and media as m0zes has said, might post some pics of it so that you can see it.

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Voightkampff 
8/7/08 11:53:41 PM
Guru

If you decide to go for a 6bit, look at the Samsungs. They're doing a $100 cashback thing at the moment, so the 245B can be had for as low as $415.

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bu14-1 
9/7/08 11:27:38 AM
Charge

I'd look into input lag before making a decision, especially if it will be used for gaming.

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kikz 
10/7/08 3:49:16 PM
Immortal

I've got a 245B at home (6bit) and a couple of HP LP465's (8bit) at work. 8 bit looks heaps better, but at a price of $550 versus $1300, I know which I'd prefer, on my money, and it aint the HP. The Samsung is a noticeably worse picture, but it's not like every time I look at it it I say "goddamn why didn't I shell out $700 more for the HP". :)

If you're cashed strapped, or would rather have twin or triple 24's, I'd go the samsung 245B it'll still do a satisfactory job.

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Apocrypha 
10/7/08 10:55:43 PM
Disciple

Consider the 2707WFP. Same 8-bit panel, but larger.

:)

I can get one for you for $800, if you're really nice to me. :)

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lazyfly 
19/7/08 2:12:22 AM
Overlord

If it helps... I received a 2408WFP a few days ago and all the major negatives I read about it are true:

- Pink hue on the left hand side of the screen (several inches wide).
- Coarse sharpness adjustments. There are 5 levels only and the stepping is very large, 0 - 25 - 50 - 75 - 100.
- Brighter on the left hand side of the screen - for example, when adjusting the brightness in Bioshock, you adjust till a bar is just visible on a black background. When its just visible on the left side it's gone on the right side. It's not that bloody wide a bar! And that leads to the next issue.
- Input lag. It's real, it's a bitch. Like running to high settings on an inadequately spec'd machine. Not so much juddery every frame but the initial launch when moving is delayed. A little disorientating.

The screen has a bucket of potential. Sort out the issues with uniformity. Reduce the lag to <1/2 and I'd pay a few hundred more for it than its RRP. As it stands however, I cannot recommend this monitor for gaming at all. I cannot recommend this monitor for a graphic enthusiast. In fact, I wouldn't recommend this monitor, period.

My first purchase and dare I say last purchase from Dell.

PC specs to avoid potential Q's:
Q6600 on X38 Gigabyte DS4 with 4GB DDR2
Sapphire HD4870
SATAii and blah blah.

On a fresh Vista 32 Home Premium install (tonight!) with all updates inc, SP1. Duplicated resolutions to simulate my not-quite-out-of-a-job 19" VX922 that ran perfectly smooth (but is dying a grim PS death) :(

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Apocrypha 
4/8/08 1:41:10 PM
Master

Quote by lazyfly
If it helps... I received a 2408WFP a few days ago and all the major negatives I read about it are true:

- Pink hue on the left hand side of the screen (several inches wide).
- Coarse sharpness adjustments. There are 5 levels only and the stepping is very large, 0 - 25 - 50 - 75 - 100.
- Brighter on the left hand side of the screen - for example, when adjusting the brightness in Bioshock, you adjust till a bar is just visible on a black background. When its just visible on the left side it's gone on the right side. It's not that bloody wide a bar! And that leads to the next issue.
- Input lag. It's real, it's a bitch. Like running to high settings on an inadequately spec'd machine. Not so much juddery every frame but the initial launch when moving is delayed. A little disorientating.

The screen has a bucket of potential. Sort out the issues with uniformity. Reduce the lag to <1/2 and I'd pay a few hundred more for it than its RRP. As it stands however, I cannot recommend this monitor for gaming at all. I cannot recommend this monitor for a graphic enthusiast. In fact, I wouldn't recommend this monitor, period.

My first purchase and dare I say last purchase from Dell.

PC specs to avoid potential Q's:
Q6600 on X38 Gigabyte DS4 with 4GB DDR2
Sapphire HD4870
SATAii and blah blah.

On a fresh Vista 32 Home Premium install (tonight!) with all updates inc, SP1. Duplicated resolutions to simulate my not-quite-out-of-a-job 19" VX922 that ran perfectly smooth (but is dying a grim PS death) :(



You have a faulty panel man, this is definitely not a problem with the whole line of models. That kind of colour performance is all wrong. Call tech support (or shoot me a PM, I can handle it for you) and get them to replace it.

I look at one of those monitors at work all the time, and we did a bunch of tests on it for a customer that wanted to use it for professional digital photography, and it aced the colour tests we put it through. Yours is definitely a faulty one.

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Harmonic Cacophony 
4/8/08 2:12:56 PM
Titan

You can get the 28" Viewsonic for $620? That's a freaking bargain. My mate has one, and I'd pay that for one.

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lazyfly 
4/8/08 8:40:49 PM
Overlord

Apocrypha,

Thanks for the reply. It's definitely got issues and has been packed away literally a couple of days after I received it. Dell are going to take it back for a refund.

I want to keep it as it should be a great monitor. With the new firmware released it appears the input lag has been reduced by some ~20ms which is pretty good news. Also the sharpness has been altered to give more control. The pink tinge however, and the uneven brightness appearsto be quite common from reading Dell's forums. I believe this is a manufacturing issue and is down to the panel supplier (Samsung?) or it could be the anti-glare coating. No idea really.

It's tempting to give it another shot as the alternative isn't cheap, and that's a NEC at around ~$1500 smackers.

Thanks for the information and the offer for the PM, much appreciated :)

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I)ickie 
5/8/08 10:46:50 AM
Serf
One big difference between the two models which you guys haven't listed yet are the inputs.
The cheap model only has DVI, VGA whereas the ultrasharp has DVI, VGA, HDMI, Display port, Component, S-video and it also has a card reader.


Edited by I)ickie: 5/8/2008 10:47:02 AM

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Apocrypha 
6/8/08 10:30:52 PM
Master

Quote by lazyfly
Apocrypha,

Thanks for the reply. It's definitely got issues and has been packed away literally a couple of days after I received it. Dell are going to take it back for a refund.

I want to keep it as it should be a great monitor. With the new firmware released it appears the input lag has been reduced by some ~20ms which is pretty good news. Also the sharpness has been altered to give more control. The pink tinge however, and the uneven brightness appearsto be quite common from reading Dell's forums. I believe this is a manufacturing issue and is down to the panel supplier (Samsung?) or it could be the anti-glare coating. No idea really.

It's tempting to give it another shot as the alternative isn't cheap, and that's a NEC at around ~$1500 smackers.

Thanks for the information and the offer for the PM, much appreciated :)



No dramas. For the record, we just got the 2409WFP in the last couple of days, and the 2707WFP is end of life, so that's the one I'd look for now, I think its aroud $549, which is a steal.

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orinjuse 
7/8/08 12:08:14 PM
Hero
Immortal


Quote by Apocrypha
we just got the 2409WFP in the last couple of days



The 2409, you say? Know where I can find some specs on that?

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