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datafast69 
21/8/08 12:13:23 AM
Titan

Thanks for the info gilamesh :)

I agree that personal preference is a biggie regarding the type of sound produced by a given speaker.

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-80 
21/8/08 12:13:42 AM
Banned

Hi gilamesh.
I'm always amazed that people can't hear the difference between a MP3 and CD. Which is why your advice is good regarding how different things sound as the quality of the reproduction improves.

I wouldn't trust their ears at all!

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datafast69 
21/8/08 12:16:26 AM
Titan

Would you trust Chopper Reid's opinion on speakers :P

Edit:now I'm just spamming :(


Edited by datafast69: 21/8/2008 12:17:53 AM

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-80 
21/8/08 12:41:39 AM
Banned

Quote by datafast69
Would you trust Chopper Reid's opinion on speakers :P

Edit:now I'm just spamming :(


Edited by datafast69: 21/8/2008 12:17:53 AM


HTFU!

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datafast69 
21/8/08 1:42:48 AM
Titan

Chopper is that you?
:/

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Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
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dBUG 
21/8/08 2:36:48 AM
Champion

Gilamesh, yeap end of August..i chatted with mydigitalhome.com.au customer service, he said they will get new stock by the end of the month. so now i'm stuck with an old 2.1 logitech speakers :(

i've heard of studio monitors' sound, M-Audio (bx-8 i think) and they're great, which is why i want to replace my pc speakers in the first place. before that, i never paid attention to the sound quality of speakers. =|

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komuso 
21/8/08 7:34:16 AM
Overlord

Quote by datafast69
Quote by komuso
Quote by datafast69
No worries, like I said, I'm not saying they are bad :)

We are looking at someone that is purchasing for listening and not studio work, are we not?


Yeah likewise, Im not taking the defensive position, and hopefully not the offensive either (: A speaker with a bigger cone is going to move more air, and the woofer of the Behringers gives you some boof. For any listening, whether its critical mixing or not, I think size is really important.




Yeah I hear what you are saying, but I think it goes way beyond that, materials used and design of the driver, and ultimately that of the speaker itself can count for much of the end result.

A poorly made and designed speaker with a 10" woofer can be slaughtered by one that is well designed and built with the right materials but using a 5" driver.

Good discussion this :)



At $500, I wonder if you would just be stepping sideways rather than really moving forward in terms of quality. I would be happy if cheap speakers had just one redeeming quality.

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-80 
21/8/08 7:41:34 AM
Banned

Quote by dBUG
Gilamesh, yeap end of August..i chatted with mydigitalhome.com.au customer service, he said they will get new stock by the end of the month. so now i'm stuck with an old 2.1 logitech speakers :(

i've heard of studio monitors' sound, M-Audio (bx-8 i think) and they're great, which is why i want to replace my pc speakers in the first place. before that, i never paid attention to the sound quality of speakers. =|


While instant gratification may be the norm these days, sometimes the enjoyment can be even better if you have to wait a while.

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datafast69 
21/8/08 11:34:52 AM
Titan

Quote by komuso
Quote by datafast69
Quote by komuso
Quote by datafast69
No worries, like I said, I'm not saying they are bad :)

We are looking at someone that is purchasing for listening and not studio work, are we not?


Yeah likewise, Im not taking the defensive position, and hopefully not the offensive either (: A speaker with a bigger cone is going to move more air, and the woofer of the Behringers gives you some boof. For any listening, whether its critical mixing or not, I think size is really important.




Yeah I hear what you are saying, but I think it goes way beyond that, materials used and design of the driver, and ultimately that of the speaker itself can count for much of the end result.

A poorly made and designed speaker with a 10" woofer can be slaughtered by one that is well designed and built with the right materials but using a 5" driver.

Good discussion this :)



At $500, I wonder if you would just be stepping sideways rather than really moving forward in terms of quality. I would be happy if cheap speakers had just one redeeming quality.

Touché

But then I'm a Scot, so I want it all! and for $5
:P

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Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
--Robert A. Heinlein

-80 
21/8/08 6:40:40 PM
Banned

Och!
Get a deep fried Mars bar up ya!

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datafast69 
21/8/08 8:22:14 PM
Titan

Quote by -80
Och!
Get a deep fried Mars bar up ya!

Now I'm confused, maybe what I type comes across differently to the viewer :o

Pass the Mars bar please :P

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Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
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fr3nzystrikesback 
5/9/08 9:26:51 PM
Overlord
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Anything less than an 8" cone doesnt go down low enough for me. Good value for money, $420. Add $60 for a passive volume controller.





I don't know where you've pulled that from, but speaker size does not necessarily indicate low end performance.

Coupled with the fact most music is cut at ~40hz in the mastering stage, this is virtually irrlevant. A good pair of 6" woofers can EASILY produce accurate frequencies around the 45hz mark.

Anything lower is muddy and the room you use, will generally not be able to support the wavelength formation - which further degrades the overall sound quality.

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komuso 
7/9/08 3:22:14 PM
Overlord

Quote by fr3nzystrikesback
Quote by komuso
http://tinyurl.com/5lsuld

Anything less than an 8" cone doesnt go down low enough for me. Good value for money, $420. Add $60 for a passive volume controller.





I don't know where you've pulled that from, but speaker size does not necessarily indicate low end performance.

Coupled with the fact most music is cut at ~40hz in the mastering stage, this is virtually irrlevant. A good pair of 6" woofers can EASILY produce accurate frequencies around the 45hz mark.

Anything lower is muddy and the room you use, will generally not be able to support the wavelength formation - which further degrades the overall sound quality.


Ultimately, there is more to low frequency extension than just the size of the cone. The size of the enclosure, power of the amp and excursion of the speaker cone also contribute to the amount of air moved. Here we are talking about a pair of stereo speakers, so the cabinets are not going to be very big, therefore we need a big speaker to move air, and to do it without distorting. Saying six inch speakers go down to 45HZ is only taking part of the picture into account, and realistically you wont get a nice 45Hz tone.

The room... I researched this as best as I because I do 5.1 mixing professionally on the odd occasion. The maximum room axis, which will be the longest diagonal of the room, only needs to be a quarter of the wavelength to carry it.

Its often quoted that music is rolled off at some frequency during recording, mixing or mastering, but that is at the discretion of the people working on the recording. A practice such as rolling off at 60 HZ or whatever is assuming that end users will have an average system. David Chesky's Area 51, a really nice recording of classical instrument ensemble, regularly goes to to 30Hz. Alva Noto, minimal glitch stuff, also has sounds that go down to 30 Hz. Movies also go down low. Plenty of material goes lower than 45Hz.

The ultimate test is to just sit on front of a set of speakers with some low frequency content. Behringers next to anything else for the same price with a smaller cone will be significantly deeper.

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Electra 
8/9/08 1:22:35 AM
Disciple

You could always add boost to the low frequencies that you want to hear.

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